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We have had a few freezes that led to damage of foliage. My macrocarpas are under the canopy of the oliviformis and archontophoenix in a low wind zone, perfect for limiting damage. Of my palms that are directly exposed to the sky and within 50' of each other, the least burn order was Beccariophoenix Alfredii<Chambeyronia Oliviformis< Roystonea Regia<Archontophoenix sp(alexandre, maxima, myolensis) in an advective event. In 2018 jan 18 we had 6 hrs below freezing and 29F low in an advective event where canopy and palm height(temps at height nearly the same as on the ground). Alfredii didnt burn at all, the kentiopsis had substantial leaf burn on the lower half of the crown, The 35-40' roystonea had more than half the lower crown burnt, and the Archontophoenix were completely burned save the spear. I'll give the archies credit they cam back fast as did the royals. The kentiopsis dont put as many leaves out per year as those two and they replaced the burnt leaves more slowly. Foliage damage may be limited some by waxy leaf surfaces as a thin layer of wax can insulate and delay the freezing of cellular water in the leaf. Both the BA and C oliviformis have a noticeably more waxy leaf than rouyals and archies so it may be that layer of wax slowed the freezing process of the leaf in this event. It also may be that different electrolyte levels in different species could lower the freezing point of cellular water by the principle of "freezing point depression". Freezing point depression is how salt melts frozen water on your icy sidewalk.

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The hobby growers here can move palms and sales are up and down . I don’t have the space or time for it but I would be happy doing occasional sales on “home grown” palms . I am in a great area for it , plenty of potential , but only as a side line. I love going down to my favorite jungle for a palm quest . Quite the drive but well worth it , from what I hear , others feel the same way ! Dave has the perfect personality and very good knowledge with a great selection . I never know what I will end up coming home with. I don’t want to discourage folks from pursuing their dream , that is not my intent. I certainly would’ve been better off staying in a job with benefits but I built my wee shop and stuck it out. My wife supported me and we have done ok . A house on the hill , food on the table , and I love what I do. It don’t get no better than that. Harry……..OH!! And a nice palm collection.🌴😄 Sunrise over beautiful Santa Paula , California!

To me it looks most like butyracea just from its general aspect. I think it is A. butyracea.

Thank you. I’m a huge fan of your yard by the way.

Where did you purchase that torallyi?

Pot of 18- 2-3 leaf seedlings. $40. Plus Shipping, box, & Spaghum. Beachpalms@cfl.rr.com or send Private Message

yes, they have silver undersides. I'm not sure about the ramenta

I always read with interest your posts on what you are growing in your shade house and the lengths you go as a hobbyist to obtain different varieties. I sometimes wish I lived on the East coast so I could have access to the many palms that are more freely available. Here in Perth the selection of varieties is very limited, but when I first started collecting in the 1980's there were many collectors like you Richard, and the quarantine rules were not as strict as they are now in Western Australia. In the last few years I have tried to obtain seed as this seems to be the only way to get new species here in the West as Jayce from Perth has indicated. As a long standing member of the Western Australian Palm and Cycad Society I have tried to grow palms from seed and make available some different varieties that I sell at the societies annual events. Because of the lack of varieties available through retail providers, I have the same issues regarding what is a fair price considering the effort and time required to grow different specimens because buyers are unaware of the rarity of the palms I have and what is a reasonable price. While my offerings are very small in comparison to your operation Richard, I have a limited, but wide selection of about 40 palm species for sale that are not found in Perth nurseries. The attached photos show my shade house where I raise many of my seedlings and my heating beds for germinating seeds using mainly the "baggy" method. I sell my seedlings from between $5 and $20 and more mature plants for various prices. Many of these are cheap by most standards but palms are not as popular in Perth as they were and the price needs to be realistic for newbies to take a chance on growing them. I have some satisfaction in growing these other species, especially "zone pushing" more tropical species and making them available to our members and the general public, as well as providing extra funds for the palm society through a selling commission. It will never cover my costs but the reason for doing it comes down to a hobby I enjoy and wanting to share with others. Russell

That’s it I will quit happily plant them out on my property, I have the space to do it. And if it takes the whole 50 sabinara to get 10 absolute gem sabinara in the garden, I’ll quit happily watch them grow!

Theres none in my area, the big chain stores pushed them out of business. It’s a bit like a florist shop, I see a few here and there pop up and they soon go out of business, a lot of that has to do with location and my location is a low income area, slowly changing it not overnight. The florist I see that do make it in bussiness are next to café coffee shops with that traffic and clients that buy flowers. I could open to the public and sit around week after week with the door open for bussiness and only get one customer a week, this is mainly due to the isolation of my property and nursery. Put that nursery in the right location and odds on it will survive. A bit like the florist shop. Alternatively run it as hobby and do the markets, I would have at least 500 customers or more per market walk past my stall of plants as opposed to sitting at home with one customer per week. The hobby is the go for those reasons mentioned above. Supply and demand but if there’s no demand, then I have to take my product to them and create that demand for them. Location location location they say! Richard

They love water and fertilizer. The grass and weeds around it aren’t helping it establish any faster. Like someone else mentioned already, next year they will be tougher, especially any pups it puts out. I’m really surprised they are getting sun burnt.. it must be from not enough water for the young root system. Give it a chance next year. I planted some small ones last year that didn’t grow very tall but I planted late in the summer. This year the pups it grew went from the ground to being 12 feet tall in one growing season. Remove all the weeds and grass around it. Throw down some compost and a thick layer of mulch. It will do much better

Tracy, this can be such a proficient tool, but beware! Once you make your first kill, so to speak, you get that ‘Freddy Krueger’ look in your eyes and wander the garden for what to cut down next. Or maybe that was just me. 👹 Tim

No, but I plan on putting plants in the ground next Spring.

Thanks again for your wealth of knowledge! My neighbor has one hybrid paloverde that has grown up to about 20ft tall if not more in a matter of about 7 years. He’s had some branches torn off from the storm and since has been doing a decent job of keeping it trimmed. His mesquite which I’m sure was not native was uprooted a few years ago. Funny how you mention Texas Ebony and Ironwood since those are 2 of the trees I tend to admire in other people’s yards. I chose the elm because of its low litter during most of the year until they drop their leaves in late winter. I’ve seen some really nice ones in the Oro valley area but have also seen the ugly ones that probably don’t get enough water. I’ll have to take the bad with the good and someday it might have to come down. I’m still not 100% sure if I’ll put the ramo there or the Dicho. The elm branches would someday interfere with the size of the Dicho but by then who knows if I’ll still be in this house LOL. The ramo was stuck in middle of the 10-15 other pots so might explain the elongation of the leaves searching for more light. I still have not made my way to Aridlands. I did notice he mentions in his website his Ramos are also from cuttings. He also mentions that he recommends them in pots here in Tucson. He’s probably talking to the average buyer who would not take the time/care to keep them alive in our climate. Thanks again for your experience and knowledge!

Nope, a dollar for the total costs including shipping, very surprising isn't it?😁

Thanks for the message, but unfortunately I don't have anymore plants.

Thank you for checking in, I don't have anymore plants, but check several local so cal growers for some options! Best of luck.

Sorry. The only Brahea species I grow is armata. Jungle music nursery 'might' have what you're looking for though, and they do ship.👍 aztropic Mesa, Arizona

It could be they are just an older flush but as Steve mentioned, you can be proactive with the chelated iron for the next flush.

I need to invest in a Sawzall. I am still using a handsaw for most jobs and sometimes an axe for editing. Those are my Neanderthal genes coming through as Dana would say. I can learn though.

Here is a pic of it today with a very nice 9 leaf flush starting to turn blue.

I dont have a pic of it before when it was yellow because honestly it was’nt the kind of thing you would take a pic of lol. Here is an older pic after a couple applications of chelated iron. The cool thing is the older leaves will turn green/blue and usually it stimulates a new flush.

I lost two trunking flamethrowers and a just-shy of trunking Oliviformis from three freezing nights - 24f, 28f and 31f. All were under canopy but the 30mph winds defeated everything. I will say the Oliviformis was the only one of the 3 that held a green leaf for about a month after, but perished from fungus as a result of the cold damage. Only Archontophoenix survivor was a 20ft Cunninghamiana, out of 4 species (most were smaller)

Since we don't have a dedicated sub for pest insect - related issues / alerts, figure it is time to start one, Specifically for all of us here in the western and Southwestern US. While " bad " bugs like Emerald Ash Borer, Spotted Lantern Fly, NWS, SAPW, Citrus Psyllid, RIFA, and various Fruit flies have been grabbing news headlines and thread titles at various times here and in CA ..and in other parts of the west, They aren't the only things everyone should be aware of / looking out for, esp. in a warming climate where more ...not so wonderful.. insect pioneers moving north ..by themselves, or by hitching rides across oceans may turn up alongside those most people might welcome seeing in their yards. If anyone out in this part of the world catches wind of new bad bug alerts, post em' here.. ..That is what this thread is for For the moment, besides New World Screw Worm, there are a couple of other imminent threats for us to watch for.. Have / enjoy grass in your yard? This newly encountered mealybug from abroad will not be your friend. Not encountered outside TX ...yet, ..but has been spreading around at a pretty quick pace. https://agrilifeextension.tamu.edu/pasture-mealybug/ Next up, another bugger ( also from abroad ) currently causing havoc TX and the southeast, that has serious potential ( because it targets Cotton and numerous important crops / ornamental plants ).. https://blogs.ifas.ufl.edu/monroeco/2026/02/06/the-two-spot-cotton-leafhopper-identification-symptoms-and-management/ Another unusual " leafhopper " that was encountered at the AZ / Mex. border earlier this year. 1 ( or two... ? ) species of it's genus occur in the region that aren't much of a bother. The encountered sp. could be an issue, if it starts moving north from where it currently occurs in Mexico. First time the species has been found in the U.S. as well. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/first-nation-insect-encountered-commercial-shipment-leafy-greens-area Hate Fire Ants? ..These make them look tame, ....and could turn up in / become an issue in -at least- parts of the Western U.S. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/04/09/invasive-asian-needle-ants/89517643007/ https://homegrown.extension.ncsu.edu/2025/06/11/asian-needle-ants-in-north-carolina-what-to-know/ Most people don't realize it but yes, yes indeed, we do have Ox Beetles here in the desert, 2 sps in fact.. Don't seem to be much of an issue you hear much about though. That said, ..it may not be long before they turn up in CA., where they could cause trouble.. Blue, Aloeus Ox Beetle and Strategus cessus range in AZ. Purple = yet to be determined sp. observation. S. cessus range highlight: ...A possible threat, down the line??? Coconut Rhino Beetle in Hawaii? = bad.. CRB now observed around Puerto Vallarta?, = Unfortunately... Closer up of where it has been observed /encountered down there... Yet to hear of any " Western U.S. establishment " issues but ..Ol' Spotted Lantern Fly encounters keep turning up on this side of the Rockies. Bleepin' buggers........