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It’s mostly Ka’u that was badly affected with major structural damage similar to hurricane Iniki on Kauai but obviously not as bad. I went to Kona to visit some gardens and there’s more carnage there. See photos below. It’s Brian Lievens place.

Exactly! I have twenty of them planted together, only two are 3.5 meters tall, the others are 2 meters tall, however, it is chamadorea radicalis

Thank you! That just blows me away that it survives. It was REALLY cold in January AND February.

Nice job!! Oh if only we could live long enough!

Rating Phoenix as anything other than 0.0 suitability for Hedyscepe did make me laugh. I’d have thought San Fran is much more suitable than Sydney too, although of course nature specimens exist in both cities, Hedyscepe can grow basically out in the open unprotected in San Fran from what I’ve seen on thus forum. Without making this an AI debate, it think it can be a useful tool. There is value in summarising a large amount of data from multiple sources and compiling into concise chunks, even at the expense of some accuracy and nuance. It’s primary strength is certainly not teaching a bunch of palm nuts about the suitability of palms in their climate, but it does take simple intellectual labour tasks and make them drastically more efficient than what a human can achieve, even if you account for any added time that may be required for fact checking. Funnily enough, I think I have to agree with its rating of Melbourne suitability here. I would describe Hedyscepe as being a must grow in Melbourne for palm lovers. In my opinion it’s the most beautiful palm we can grow, but it isn’t without its challenges here. Either full sun and/or lack of supplemental irrigation would spell a quick end for them here in summer.

That “mystery sabal “ is a Sabal mauritiiformis A Z10A sabal for longterm growth . It has survived since 2021 with its growth bud close to the ground level for now . It’s a shame 2021 and the 2023 drought nuked the oblate property. 🥲

I've been back for a few weeks now, but I looked through my photos again while writing up newsletter articles for Hawaii Island Palm Society and IPS about the World Palm Symposium in Singapore and I want to send a shout out to all you Palm Talkers out there. My husband and I attended the Palm Propagation Workshop: From Seed to Seedling at the Pasir Panjang Nursery, part of the Centre for Urban Greenery and Ecology. Anton van der Schans, Principal Horticulturalist at Gardens by the Bay, talked about planting strategies for remote germination (when the leaf forms at the end of a long tube and the seedling establishes itself away from the seed) vs adjacent germination (when the leaf emerges from the seed). Anton was using Palm Talk posts to illustrate planting strategies for remote germinating species - there was a thread that had many photos showing seeds propped on pvc or bamboo posts, the umbilical cord leading to a pot with an emerging leaf. Anton also used a thread discussing the division of clumping palms - shown on the screen in the photo. We were just talking to Fred Stauffer from the Conservatory and Botanical Garden of the City of Geneva about his problems growing Hyphaene in a conservation nursery in Africa the previous day. He asked the group about the best way to get help from growers for these kind of field studies and conservation projects as some of these species are very difficult to grow. Several people immediately suggested the PalmTalk forum. I'd love to see more of that kind of interaction and talking about Palm Talk at this symposium and having it being used in a workshop is a big step toward promoting this kind of interaction. I was so glad I went to the symposium and got to see the impact of the IPS grant programs, Palm Talk, funding for Save the Species projects. The IPS helped fund the travel expenses for 14 attendees from developing nations which represent much of the palmy regions in the world. Thank you for making Palm Talk such an important resource for anyone trying to grow palms, create gardens, or establish conservation nurseries.

Hey Marcus! Yes I have absolutely no issue passing right by the Queen Palms when I see them at HD! 😂 I used to entertain the idea but I can save money, time, and heartache just watching other ones around town die. Of the three that were planted late last year in my neighborhood only 1 survived, the one right next to the wall of the house. In spite of all the rain earlier and all the heat this month it has only grown one stunted, floppy frond. By the time this coming winter’s cold snap arrives it’ll be toast. Especially if we get the usual ice or freezing rain. I recognize those sandals, they conveniently have a bottle opener on the bottom! Perfect sandals in my opinion! Ben, I look forward to seeing your stunning uresana grow, those an incredible! My three have been going very well and one of them has grown much faster than the other two. Now I’ll have to keep my eye out for the Ox Beetles. Disappointing to see them killing palms, especially Chester’s Lisa Palmetto. Anhwho, here are some photos from a walk last Thursday at the Oblate School of Theology. They have several more Sabal ursanas than I thought. I just love their blue coloration. Also seen again is the mystery Sabal…. yapa maybe?? What are these two palms? I thought Brahea, but they have spineless petioles: Mule, really not a fan: Some gorgeous Brahea armatas, looking as good as I've seen them here, especially with some flower stalks: The next grouping I really think are all Sabal uresana, some everyone is aware of, but I don’t remember seeing the smaller ones before: Mystery Sabal… I’ll call it Yapa! Surprising that there are only a few Washingtonia remaining, this is one.

Another corpus coconut for the thread to enjoy:)

Mine is considerably younger than yours and still in a tree pot. Never seen a mature plant actually. Yours looks to possess a lot of the Transvenosus leaflets traits. Mine does flush that gold color also. Looks cool. -dale

That’s interesting Vic. As you note, I’ve seen this happen in Trachycarpus sp and heard report of the same from elsewhere. Your T oreophilus is a beauty!

Hey PalmTalk! Earlier this year, I purchased and planted this young Coccothrinax argentata. After a few months growing in, new growth looks stunted. Whats going on? And do I have to replace? Thanks!

It’s often hot and dry in my coastal valley location in the summer but Hedescepe do exceptionally well despite that. Not sure how AI would rate my area but, as long as the palm is in shade or partial sun and watered often it will be happy.

we were spit on this morning with no measurable accumulation but at least clouds to dim the hot sun. I was running errands 16-18 miles away and getting rained on, enough to slow the traffic on I75 due to visibility. I get back at 1pm, no accumulation here, roads were damp. Then over the next 5 hrs we had a light rain on and off, mostly on. By 7pm I check the gage and its over 1 inch. Everything looks wet, no puddling but its all wet. It was a good rain slow enough to have no runoff and consistent enough to get one inch. Just to the north it surely got more if I can believe the weather radar. I cant complain but yesterday I did complain to myself as there was no rain or irrigation for 5 days and the sun was cooking things.

Update for conclusion. Unfortunately we lost them. Local arborist believes it was a latent infection from the nursery, and multiple stressors took them down this year. They died within weeks of each other, so inoculation from one to the other is unlikely. Both the same age, planted from 25 gallon bucket from the same nursery 3 years ago. Palm diseases, especially fungal, are rare in our area because its so dry. The center spear eventually rotted and pulled. Took it a long time to get that far. No other signs of infection the entire decline. My focus is now just on watching the health of the rest of the property. Hopefully its truly nothing localized and all other specimens have strong CODIT if needed.

I was outside weeding when the rain started. We added a little better than half an inch to the total. It came just in time to stop the grass from going dormant in the full sun areas. <sarcasm>We're only about 6 inches short of normal for August with a week left in this month.</sarcasm>

Oh my gosh, this is where the reports are. Jason, I was looking for a report from you, so good to hear damages were minimal. Mike, do you have a measurement of the inches of rain you got during Lala? Those videos look pretty fierce. I really dislike strong winds. 😬 Rick, good to hear you also fared pretty well. Brad52, sorry to see the downed bamboo and the trouble it's caused. I've been very skittish about planting any, despite the obvious beauties I see in other people's gardens. I wasn't present for all the excitement and neighbors report all is well at my place. The power was out for 7 days, but my fridge was mostly empty anyway.

Dang, that looks messy. I was hoping to read something from Hilo Jason, hope all's well at his place. I had a brief text exchange with Floribunda. I was concerned for them because there is a dry creek bed that floods when there are exceptionally heavy rains. Reportedly this was "as bad as we have seen," with damage to fences and "big palms snapped." House is fine. My neighbors have assured me that all is well at my place, no damage to property. The garden may have suffered yet more falling trees, kind of a regular thing at my place. When I see videos of the severity inflicted on the south end of the island I feel very fortunate. Power was out for a week, but that's common enough in my area after any storm. What's good to see is the local communities springing into action to help one another. People are distributing food, water, gas, and other supplies into the hardest hit areas -- no simple task with roads washed out completely in a few places. People are offering to come with their chainsaws and other equipment to help people clean up, sharing extra generators, etc. It's a big island with many small communities and people are very hands-on in these situations. I admire their true community spirit.

I have many in my garden and not all make the race. Happens with all palms. A group of palms all planted the same day you will have ones that out grow the others.

It peeled off of and now exposes bare lava, the only soil is up in the air in that side view.

I remember 1983 in Southern California, rained all Winter and thunder and lightning for a good portion of the Summer, California was tropical that year. Some of the best surfing ever, big North swells all Winter and big South swells all Summer.

Inland missed out on the heavy heavy rain today but between last night and today I added close to 2 inches.

I'm truly sorry you have had this experience... If you can resolve the drainage issue, I am nearly certain the Bacarriophoenix alfredi will perform well for you. I still need to get some pics of mine to show you.

Huge rainstorm today, it rained almost all day and added up to 3.3 inches, with a late night dumping of 0.66 last night, for a 24 hour total of over 4 inches. Thats more than hurricane milton dropped here and the most in one day since. You can't tell now, it all drains off in moments, even in the low spots. The month is actually panning out nicely after a dismal june and half of july. Hopefully el nino helps the drought ease into fall and winter, with no extreme cold or tornadoes🤞.