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Welcome to the forum. I am in the SATX area as well, but I don't have any great recommendations for you. A lot of the growers here have planted their palms from small sizes and do all of the maintenance themselves. So, we may not know much about the professionals in the area. I hope someone is able to chime in and help you though.

Great use of lighting in your landscape Allen. I have been enjoying a good number of your YouTube videos recently as well. Thanks for being a great resource for growers.

Allen is correct. Feel free to remove brown fronds. If they have much green left at all, I would leave them. I am not as big of a stickler about this as many growers...but many growers probably have better looking palms than me. 😁

I'm looking for some advice on a few of my Coccothrinax. I have 3 Coccothrinax moaensis, 2 C. orientalis, and a C. spirituana that have developed a bit of yellowing and especially the brown necrosis on the leaf tips. A month ago, they looked good, besides some yellow from deficiency on the older leaves and very minor brown tips. Starting in the beginning of June, the browning got really bad and have spread down the tips of the fronds. Initially, I thought they started to brown because it has been very dry and hot, and I was not watering them enough, around a couple inches of soil had no moisture. Since then, around 2 weeks ago, I have made sure to water them every 2-3 days and maintain a moist root ball. Despite giving them more water, the necrosis has continued to spread down the leaves, and is a bit more noticeable on the newer fronds, which concerns me. So, what does this look to y'all? The necrosis and some of the yellow seems to be a root issue to me. I am starting to wonder that there has been some root rot, but with how much they have gone in between watering sessions, I am not sure how well an anaerobic environment for root rot pathogens would have survived. Also, the soil they are in is incredibly fast-draining. It is a mixture of garden soil meant for good drainage, coarse sand, and a lot of limestone. Maybe 1 part limestone to 2-3 parts soil? I tend to eyeball it till it is the consistency I like. When watering, the water drains quickly through (within seconds) and does not ever have a chance to pool on the surface. It allows the soil to be moist without being mucky and overly saturated. Until I had a place outdoors, I made this mixture purposely to avoid root-rot when I had to grow these all year indoors under grow lights. It worked great and I had no issues with yellowing or browning. They have been outside for over a year now, and went through the South Florida winter with no rot issues (colder, dried out much slower, and more rain). So that is my confusion on it being root rot. Also, I fertilized with PalmGain about 2 weeks ago when the yellowing and necrosis started to look bad. I don't believe it is fertilizer burn because these issues started prior, and all my other plants did not burn. I also want to add that all my other Coccothrinax species are potted up in this mix and look great. Even some more arid and finicky species like two other C. spirituana, C. ekmanii, C. alexandri, and boschiana look good. Lastly, my plan to hopefully help them is to exchange some of the old soil with fresh soil without disturbing the root ball too much. I also have a commercial-grade fungicide that was recommended on this forum at some point for root rot. I would like any advice. Also, if anyone has any other advice on anything I can overall improve, I would love to hear.

Agreed! Pesky palm collectors! 😂we are an odd bunch. Harry

Thank you for your update! Visited the Gardens recently. Very perplexing results and I’m sorry to hear/see the ones that didn’t make it. It’s surprising to me that clinostigmas, cocos, and licualas are surprisingly hardy.

You are fine cutting the fully brown fronds and you can trim the dead tips off the other fronds with pruning scissors. It wouldn’t hurt to remove 18” of grass around palm, put down palm fertilizer and put a layer of pine bark mulch. Make sure to leave any green innermost fronds

With the final days of June ...and the longest day of the year... quickly passing in the rear view mirror, and the road ahead leading right into the heart of the " Season Of The Sun.. " so too do we enter what most consider the best season of the year here in AZ and surrounding areas, Monsoon Season.. That time of year that captivates any ..and everyone who respects and deeply admires the incredible dynamics of a unique place situated right at the edge of the tropics. 'Tis That time of year when a much welcomed, magic wand can be waved across the land ....rapidly transforming otherwise " boring " and thirsty - looking landscapes into hard to forget, lush, and vivid visions of seemingly far away places that are wetter and greener ...if only for just a few months.. ...When everything comes together, just the way we hope it does, that is. ....That time of year when seemingly un- ending, blazing, sun drenched heat can be broken by it's own brute force in unforgettable displays involving two of nature's greatest forces, Water, and Electricity.. When its good, really good, areas outside the arena ( Arena = Core area of the North American Monsoon Region ) that often sit on the sidelines, hoping for -anything- get to experience shared episodes of this incredible gift from the tropics from the comforts of their own backyards ..or a favorite beach.. While no two years are ever alike, ..Tis' the mystery that is this summer season weather pattern, and some years leave everyone with the unpleasant taste of disappointment, when the sun wins out, there is a valuable lifes' -lesson in that disappointment.. Kick back, Relax ..And convince me ..that things will be better, ..next year.. With the first week or so of the season under way ..both ways it is laid out, ..What comes next? ..Are things looking as promising as everyone has suggested, ..for months? ...or are we staring down another year of ...some deg. ... of humbling, ahead.. ? Instead of laying out my thoughts as i have in past years threads on the subject, One can go back to past threads on the subject to research the " nuts n' bolts ", if curious.. I'll just say this.... June 11th - June 25th rainfall via Rainlog.org .. = While not widespread just yet, this isn't a " horrible " look, either.. Anyone well versed in their Monsoon season -ology fully understands ...and accepts, that our summer season rainfall is always a bit random, rarely uniform, esp. during the opening act portion of the season.. That said, Tucson could share some though, lol. Areas across the borderlands, Tucson, and parts of the Rim/ White Mountains / N.E. AZ, UT ..and New Mexico.. saw some activity yesterday as well, though it doesn't seem that data has been included in the current maps yet.. Nice to see some numbers on the board for New Mexico and El Paso already this year too... Some living elsewhere may laugh at these totals but, ..This is how a good season can start here.. It is only June. Typically, Real rains don't start kicking in until after the 4th of July.. Tucson, at the Airport, is already wayy ahead of normal, ..for now.. ( 1.05" to date, vs. the typical .18" - .22" June Avg. ) Still, ..i need some convincing.. As mentioned, season itself has started off right - on - the - mark.. Actually qualifies as the earliest start on record. = a good thing? ..Convince me.. An end of the month check of SSTs, both in the East Pac. and Gulf ( of CA ) = pretty decent. ** See the video at the end for more clues.. < SOTO and NOAA Contour Chart Data > SST Temps.. Northern Gulf of CA. = Redder, the better Current Anomalies.. Not too bad.. A different view of chart 1 Add in the suggested continued warming we should see as we head forward from the quickly developing El Nino ..and ..good odds for what most forecasts have been suggesting.. ..Still, ..Feel free, to convince me. Overall look of factors examined every year, ...that are going to be scrutinized really closely this year.. 1 = ENSO Region.. = Rapidly developing positive ENSO / El Nino phase this year.. Could that be a good ..and not so great... thing? 2 = Suggested Atlantic / Caribbean Basin Hurricane outlook.. = Looking dry / suppressed this year, thanks to said developing El Nino.. How will that impact area #9, via Easterly Wave activity? ..More < or less > moisture from them reaching this side of Mexico? 3 - 7 = Eastern Pacific.. = Supposed to be a pretty active season, though i'm not all that impressed at what i'm seeing so far.. Will it start kicking into gear, as some have suggested, once we get past the 4th of July? ..let alone keep churning thru Aug and September? This factor plays large on how much??? moisture / storm episodes reach California this year.. Want a seat in the arena this year? Pacific needs to get cranking.. 8 = Sierra Madre Occidental.. End of June = Should be kicking into gear, but has been a lackluster " spurt -n' sputter -y " start, so far.. What's going on, why do all the current extended forecasts keep looking dry there? 10 = Southern Plains.. Moisture source that can enhance storm activity here when the upper level flow is right.. Been reasonably wet out there but may dry out as we head into July.. We want the plains to go into a sort of drought at that time, but don't want things to be so dry that all we get is dry air from that region. 11 = Clockwise flow around the 4 - corners / Subtropical High, once it sets up *** ..if it does this year....... Can send us moisture from the Midwest, depending on how the high is set up. *** That said, for the moment at least, the high itself has struggled to lock itself down over the region, thanks in part to a still - active N. Pacific Jet that keeps sending troughs into the Pac. NW, thus knocking down the Subtrop High each time it tries to set up where we would like it to.. Knocked down 4C High = sitting on top of AZ / NM, or to our south.. ='s not a good position for bringing in moisture ..Ala: Disappointment Years, like 2020, 19, 23. EL Nino, the big ones like this year seems to be shaping up to be, can effect the N. Pac Jet, even during the summer, to some deg. at least as it develops. Need to shove all in-bound summer season Pac NW troughiness up into Canada, just a bit more, so the high can unpack it's bags over the 4 corners and get the show going... Will this occur as many are suggesting, as we get past the 4th? ..or is this going to be the big " thumbs down " factor that tries to toss a cold, wet blanket on the entire season ahead? ...All i can say is ..Convince me.. Near term? ..Forecasts are still all over the place /on something mushroom -y.. Bring a good surge of moisture back into the area by ..or just after.. the 5th, only to toss that idea aside for something drier / " can kicked down the road again" kind of forecast, later. Today's 3 -4 week looks ok, but.. It's looked " ok " several times recently ..only to cower in a corner, later.. ..For now, all we can do is ...Kick back, And relax.. Aint' nothing anyone can do to change the weather, despite those who worship weird " beliefs " Though i was hoping to see a wetter end of June than i'm seeing atm, we're on a " decent enough " track thus far, Already had our first duster / snagged the season's first good bolts, a rare, sunrise rainbow ....and... ..as is being repeated by most forecasters, the show really isn't supposed to get cranking until -at least- mid July, ....so.. Regardless, as everyone familiar with it already knows, quite well, Monsoon ..is going to Monsoon, ...regardless of human -esque " hopes n' dreams ". Any worry? ...If we're still coming up dry n' dusty by mid / late August / 4C high is still a ghost, that's probably a sign a whole lot of forecasters are going to have A LOT of explaining to do, lol.. Hopefully that doesn't happen, and we can kick back and enjoy a really good show, all of us, across the region.. ..and all the magic that it brings.. *** Skip on to the last half of the video for thoughts on the forecast.. *** An interesting tidbit embedded within regarding how the flood control district may view " monsoon Season " in the future, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKtGDp-d2kk ....Ball is in your court Henz, < ....and others > ..Convince me..

That's pretty swampy alright, those mud pigs are loving it! Must be paradise for Archontophoenix there.

I just planted them spaced 5' apart before I got a chance to read your reply 😅 I know this is probably too close together, but than again, from a selfish point of view, I don't think I will live long enough to see it reach "maturity" so I guess if they grow into each other one day, it will be an interesting problem to have. It is planted in part shade part sun spots, with some wet feet occasionally from rain and tides from the river. I am curious to see if the brackish water with some salt from the Atlantic Ocean will be a problem or not. As far as wind, there is some protection since they will be understory to an oak, but if we are talking about hurricanes, yes the larger paddle leaves will be flapping in the wind.

It can be a good or bad thing crazy plant collectors, it is usually a bad thing for the native stands in habitat. Such a demand for seed and the plants, that the population is put in danger. Having an impact on regeneration. And how many of those plants they poached live? It’s an ethical debate with for and against. If the bulldozer is coming then remove the population git sure. But if it’s downright poaching, this is why we have international laws and cities to prevent such a thing happening, not that it will stop the illegal trade. The foxtail palm is one example of people in high places doing such a thing, poaching seeds. I have some of those original palms from poached seeds in my garden, purchased from a roadsides seller. So in a way we are a little guilty! Richard

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😄 hi all I was wondering if it would be fine to cut back all the brown leaves on my palm tree would it do any good to let the green push out? Thank you for any guidance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcJegUXNHYA

I would wait for recovery, your area looks like it doesnt get these cold snaps often. I think your climate is similar to mine on the opposite(west) coast. They do better closer to the coast here. I am 15 miles inland and they took a beating this year around me. I didn't see any dead, just the lower half of the crowns were burnt to a crisp.

You are lucky bismarckias are dioecious, a species in which male and female reproductive organs exist in separate, distinct individual organisms. SO if you have a male you will not get any seed. Many palms are monoecious, that is a single plant produces both exclusively male flowers and exclusively female flowers. For reproduction to happen, pollen must transfer from a male flower to a female flower.

looks great!

Yes, although it might make steam shoot out of taxonomist's ears, elegans=sumawongii in the local horticulture trade. I don't know how big these get in Florida, but they thrive in Hawaii reaching maybe 15 ft after many decades. I would recommend a minimum of 10 ft separation in Hawaii, but in Florida they might look better spaced around 6 ft. They can tolerate a surprising amount of sun here, but might appreciate more canopy in Florida heat. Protection from wind is the big concern. I don't know how difficult (effective?) it would be to wrap a tree in a sheet before a tropical storm arrives. Typical results in residential Big Island gardens. About 5 ft tall & wide after 7 years in the ground. Overwhelming 35 year olds at the former Donn Carlsmith garden on the Big Island. 4-5 ft of trunk. 8-9 ft petioles. 5 ft wide fronds.

You absolutely can cut off the pollen, but there really is no reason to at this point. As a male tree, it will NEVER produce any seeds to clean up.🤷‍♂️ aztropic Mesa, Arizona

So I just wait and see? I was concerned the trunk is weak and could land on the house?

That's what I want to avoid. Can't I just remove the Pollen fronds now? Thanks for the replies

Tha Thanks. It was a brutal spring and hopefully it will survive a few more of these. Last time I saw the other coconut was still great, but it was a few weeks ago. I think it should be still great.

First of all, I'm slightly correcting myself, the type of palm I mentioned last night (I'm aware this is a past post and topic, but the topic of coconut palms came up in my search yesterday, and I love palms of all types....I just couldn't resist lol) the palm isn't called Torrey palm, that'll be a pine tree. The palm is called Parajubaea cocoides, as I mentioned as also known as the coquito palm (or Quito palm), they're native to Quito, Cuenca, and other high altitude Andean cities near it's habitat. So if anyone wants to bring back this topic again, I think it'll be worth studying and looking into being San Francisco already grows this beautiful palm species, Ecuador and Peru is another area in the Andes mountain chain of the region, and that region is considered the cloud forest habitat of the Andean mountain where it's milder and moister than it's Bolivian counterparts home. They can reach 40 feet tall with a crown span of 15 or 20 feet. The Bolivian species will handle dry heat. Those I've seen in San Francisco most likely are from even Ecuador or Peru (being San Francisco's foggy periods anytime of the year is and more humid then other parts of the California coast) other than not being so high up in altitude, it's no wonder San Francisco's weather and climate is perfect for these palms. And the small nuts also have three small eyes jut like the coconut does. I'm wondering despite the fruits small size, I'd be surprised to find that they're intergenticly related. The name of this palm is was looking for concerning it's taxa is called Parajubaea torallyi will grow to 50 plus feet with a husky trunk approaching 2 feet in diameter. It is considered the fastest growing large palm for the Bay Area now I think about it. And with the torallyi's coconuts are well sized of 2 to 3 inches in diameter. In Bolivia these palms grow as high as 11,000 feet above sea level making them one of the highest altitude palms on earth, unfortunately this species is endangered in habitat from the over collection of their edible seeds. Growing one of these rare palms helps buffered from extinction and brings a vigorous, graceful, easy presence to your landscape.