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Miraguama alone can even get confusing. For Miraguama there are 3-4 subspecies miraguama subspecies miraguama, subspecies havanensis, subspecies roseocarpa, and they’ve pretty much split off macroglossa on its own. Best way to tell is the fruit color, though the wraps all look different, and the fronds all look different. Staring at the ones in my yard, and staring at Paul Craft’s book right now, and everything starts to get blurry, and my eyes start to glaze over. Many of mine came from seeds directly from Cuba, but I still wonder if they reversed some of the subspecies labels on mine based on the leaf stiffness. Mine are barely fruiting/aborting, so time will tell I guess, when I get a decent crop to examine. I’ve got 11 various coccos in different spots out there.

Ha, I had gifted to him once a ready-to-plug-in plant, which he gave away.

Perhaps we both have a hybrid Coccothrinax. Interesting

I never grew one, but I did have Cycas panzhihuaensis, and either Cycas guizhouensis or Cycas taitungensis, and a hybrid with revoluta with either the G or T. I'd have to go back and look. The only issues I had with them were the rabbits eating them. They especially loved it when they flushed. You do see the odd revoluta around, but they don't seem to be reliably hardy. I used to drive by this one in Johnson City for years, but it looks like 2024 might've taken it out. I definitely think they are hardy to zone 8B but it has to be a southern 8B not a PNW 8B. There are so many 8B rated plants that can't take the dark, damp winters in the PNW, so its a roll of the dice unless you know someone who has tried before.

I thought I got the beetles right away, but I must've missed one. I have 3 other Lisas but they grow at a fraction of the rate of the one I lost. Sabals seem to be one of their favorite targets. I started watering my Butias and the largest is as high as the fence now, the growth is a little crazy, but I'm not complaining. It seemed like there was zero transplant shock, or any sort of setback for them. The mules have taken their time but it seems like they are starting to move now, so we'll see if they can keep up.

Best contribution I can make to this thread. Got a few sprouts growing nicely but I’m aware this is the easy part. Time will tell whether I can keep them happy long term here but I’ve been inspired by some success in cool climates. Not sure whether to fear my frosts or occasional extreme heat for this species. Probably both!

There was one at Hollis, but I think it is gone. They are like baby alligators - they don't stay cute and cuddly for long.

Glad this thread is still going strong all these years later. This last freeze has dampened some spirits, but we got hit like this before and bounced back.

Hello, Several years ago you carried Normanbya Normanbyi, will you carry this again some time? Thanks Brian

The gardens at Common Ground and the Cleveland Heights Country Club were tested and the photos below showcase photos before and after the February 2026 Freeze. Note that this thread was started in 2019 and many of the palms can be seen in their youth in the first few posts. Cleveland Heights - Roystonea regia: This palm was a showstopper on the 2022 CFPACS Fall Meeting here in Lakeland. After walking up a steep hill from the parking lot behind Common Ground, tired tour-goers were treated to this beast; a stout royal palm. We had to cut Lake Wire from the fall tour because cameras were flashing for almost half an hour when the group got here. Unfortunately, the palm was heavily damaged. Since this was a focal point in the garden, this palm has since been removed. The first photo is as a perfectly healthy specimen in November 2024. The second photo is from February 8th, 2026; seven days after the worst day of the winter. Common Ground - Roystonea regia: This Roystonea took the beating and was allowed to recover. The first photo is from January 2026 after several cold fronts had already arrived. The second photo is from August 2026, showcasing the recovery in progress. Common Ground - Chrysalidocarpus pembanus: While the giant canes of this palm were damaged and infested by borers, the advantage to clumping palms is that they have a good shot of coming back from the ground. In the first photo, you see the palm in question with a Latania lontaroides (Red Latan) to the right. The Red Latan didn't survive, but you can see the new growth coming from the base on the Chrysalidocarpus. The first and second photos are from January 2026, while the third is from August 2026. Common Ground - Carpoxylon macrospermum: Unfortunately, this one did not fare as well as the one at City Hall in the Downtown Lakeland thread. It is now deceased. In the second photo, you can see the remains of a Licuala grandis and the Latania lontaroides mentioned above. Photos are from January 2026 and February 2026, respectively. Common Ground - Kerriodoxa elegans: Unfortunately, this is only a before photo. It was removed and the area around where it was at was cleared. There's now no way to know if it was dead beforehand, or if it could have recovered. Mine in my yard is recovering. Photo taken January 2026. Common Ground - Thrinax radiata: This palm was heavily damaged but recovering. You can also see the Red Latan stump and the recovering Buddha Belly Bamboo in the second photo. Photos from January 2026 and August 2026, respectively. Common Ground - Dypsis decaryi x leptocheilos : I believe this is a Tri-bear. If you think it is not, please let me know what you think it is. It took a beating, but is progressing nicely through its recovery. Photos are from January 2026 and August 2026, respectively. Common Ground - Beccariophoenix alfredii + Chambeyronia macrocarpa + Caryota mitis +Licuala grandis + Allagoptera caudescens : This is only the after photos from August 2026. While the Beccariophoenix alfredii looks to be coming back strong, the Allagoptera (front left) is starting to put out some green, and the Caryota mitis clump will come back from the ground, the Chambeyronia macrocarpa double in the center is dead. Wish I had better news from this location, @SubTropicRay. The Licuala grandis stump in the front is easier to make out in this photo as well. Keep in mind that this location is a short 5 minute walk from the Lake Hollingsworth boat ramp area where the Allagoptera was doing relatively well. Siting makes a big difference. The second photo shows the overall size of the Caryota mitis and all of the seed stalks that it put out as a "Hail Mary" for species survival. Common Ground - Euterpe oleracea (?) : This is thought to be Euterpe oleracea, but may be Euterpe edulis. I had to dig deep in the archives to find a photo more recent than the 2019 photos starting the thread and earlier than the 2026 freeze. The first photo is from November 2023 and the second is from August 2026. It took a little bit of damage, but is doing a lot better than the bulk of the other crownshaft palms in the area. Common Ground - Zamia furfuracea : These held up remarkably well considering the wind speed and low temperatures. This is a hedge that self-seeds here. There are thousands of these here that serve as a border between the sidewalks and the street. Unfortunately, all of the Clusia that were used on the opposite side of the sidewalk took heavy damage and were removed. There are Clusia coming back in various locations, but it will be a while until they are a bush again.

@Eric in Orlando I have two Grandis here just W of Sanford, both wer defokiated at 22.5F. The tiny seedling sized one seems to be regrowing, and the slightly larger one has two ne spears that are just stalled. So I might get one out of two suvivors. Other Licuala like Ramsayi, Spinosa, Sumawongii and Distans did well. My Ramsayi out in the open were badly burned but growing back ok, even though they are now in full sun. One of the Sumawongii was in full sun exposure and took basically zero damage. It only suffered later in the spring with a bit too much direct all day sun. My Hyophorbes were not so lucky. I lost a Verschaffeltii with 6 feet of trunk (the top just fell off from crown rot), and 3 of 5 other smaller ones. 3 of 4 Lagenicaulis survived. I trunk cut the tops of 3 of the Lagenicaulis to get to the bud rot, but cut one way too low and killed it. So really 3 of 3 survived. They are all very susceptible to crown rot.

Beautiful Tim! A happy one is really something to behold. I had to smile, as I think I got one years ago from Floribunda and it rolled over and died in the middle of a warm humid summer. Definitely one of my fastest kills ever. But, like in business, the faster I know, faster I can change directions, ha ha. Thanks for sharing that!

Great photos! For whatever reason pandans are hard to come by in Florida. Managed to get about a dozen seedlings of these and they are the fastest growing plants in my nursery. Hoping they can stand up to some occasional cold. Looking at these habitat photos I definitely need to clear some space around them though!

I have some that I need to separate from their community pot. I'll have them in the For Sale section and my Etsy shop when ready.

I ship to the EU, and I have fresh Butiagrus seeds. Been selling them on this very site for several years.

I'm not sure if this helps, but generally an iron deficiency will grow out white to yellow and just never turn green. So if it is green and turning yellow, then it is less likely to be iron related. You can also foliar spray the Southern Ag palm nutritiknal. I've done this when I suspect root rot, like with seedlings in maybe mucky soil. This worked in FL with regular rainfall. I am not sure about dry climates. I'm inclined to think it isn't nutrient related, as the others said. Most of the big incurable diseases would have the old fronds die first, like Ganoderma and Thielaviopsis. Fusarium almost always shows with one-sided frond death, and I don't see that. A bud rot seems most likely. When you cut the one frond, did you smell anything odd? Some fungi smell like a rotting dumpster in the hot sun, others smell like ripe bananas. Any weird smells might help ID it. For example, I just chopped up a Butia that had rapid older frond death and bud death...but the newest 3 or 4 fronds still were normal-ish. On cutting off the dying fronds they had internal disoloration and smelled like ripe bananas = Thielaviopsis. I think aluminum tris (like Fosetyl-Al) are systemics against common bud rots. Hydrogen peroxide, Daconil, copper-based fungicides and Mancozeb all are great for the surface. If it isn't responding, then a sytemic like aluminum tris or Banrot may be a good addition.

@idontknowhatnametuse plant it! I put a bunch in the ground last summer, at all the same size as yours. Unfortunately for me, we had an all time record low in February here, and my yard recorded 22.5F. This killed most of the small seedlings/strap leaves. But one survived! So based on the hardiness reports in Kinzyjr's sheet and my experience, it should work fine if you can keep things like Adonidia alive. Mature ones of those are 100% dead in my area...

Spotted some neglected palms at a pretty run-down looking truck stop at exit 601 right off I-10 this evening. This is right between Cibolo and Seguin. Phoenix survivors that definitely aren't getting any care: Med fan, Washingtonia, Livistona, and Phoenix all in the same area:

Here is s different plant which is also from Phil at Jungle Music, acquired in 2018 as a 1 gallon, labeled as Cocothrinax miraguama. It has more silver color on its leaf's abaxial side, fewer and wider pleats, more lax leaflet tips , and a more yellow hastula than the original posted plant. I think this id ties better to this plant than the id on the original plant.

It is intriguing to see the subtle variations in many of these palms. Your palm has a distinctly orange hastula as does the one I posted to start this thread. Most are more yellow with a hint of orange that others have posted. Your palm appears to me to best match my specimen. I have looked at the iNaturalist posts for Cocothrinax argentea and some characteristics appear to match except their hastula appear more yellow to my eye. SabalSteve, your specimen appeared to have a little less rigid leaf tips to my eye. I have another Cocothrinax which has the more lax leaf tips which I can post separately.

Now your just teasing me, lucky Hawaii growers!!!

Yes you do but they are the unpollinated ones I already harvested them a couple of months ago. Sometimes when hand pollinated you dont get all of them pollinated! A top miniature palm for any collection. Track em down they will fit into any space anywhere in the shade.

That’s pretty darn good if it grows in your climate, that’s testimony to how much they will take. My ones in the sandstone area have more colour and are just better looking than the wet areas. There is a picture in the Palms of Madagascar book with a hillside covered in them that looks a lot my rocky area and it seems to the perfect match for their habitat. I like them easy growing for a place that needs to have a microclimate created and they do just that!

That’s good to know, I will send him some seeds to convert the unconverted able!

I always pick up a couple of seeds when I see them. I just know they are a good palm for my climate. And a palm is a palm in my opinion, the ones in my drier areas do better than the moist places.