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So after reading about the Orange County coconuts somewhere around the Santa Ana area and especially the one in Corona that persisted for years I thought I'd give it a try in zone 10a in Fallbrook in northern inland San Diego County. I'm about 15 miles inland and get a lot of heat. Might have to put a popup greenhouse around it first couple winters during cold or near freezing nights. Basically where I am in Fallbrook is sunset zone 23. Highly thermal even in the winter. It seems almost every year we have a lot of hot dry Santa Ana winds in the Fall and throughout the winter well into spring so its been warm a lot. Last winter we were mid 80's for weeks on end even a couple days in early march into the 90s consistently enough even my bananas started pushing new leaves in late March. Nights sometimes cool off quick but rarely freeze. I was noticing this year north of us in LA it was even warmer than my location doing work there in the winter felt actually kind of hot during mid days in what seemed like well in the mid to upper 80s in the middle of winter. For those who live inland southern California it might be worth trying. I'm surprised these aren't attempted inland LA basin more often where they get a good deal of heat, less freezes and generally just benefit from the heat island effect. I assume if you have a hot south facing sheltered pocket on your property it could work if you're far enough away from the cold ocean water which really stunts these guys. I planted this little guy (Malaysian Dwarf) in the middle of a heatwave its been in the upper 90's low 100s outside during the day hardly getting under 70 at night. Our nights recently have been basically tropical because of the north American monsoon humidity hanging around but also the offshore ocean water has been in the mid 70s. Here's a bunch of thermal reads even the retaining wall is in the 90s in the shade at 11am. The ground mount solar is pretty close by should offer some decent reflected heat. This little spot sees full sun even during winter solstice for pretty much almost the whole day since it's south facing and is sheltered by a little hill a fence and huge trees to block cold winds. You can see the dwarf cavendish banana doing really well behind the coco. I'm seeing wet soil over 100F so to me it seems this spot builds some serious heat.

Those extremes are not restricted to just SoCal. We’ve had 100° plus temperatures here too at any time in summer and into early autumn. We just don’t have the Santa Ana winds to go with those high temperatures.

2024 was a radiational freeze and temperatures were all over the place briefly. I don't think it stayed cold long enough to actually cause damage to anything. It warmed up rapidly. I also don't think it got quite as cold as AccuWeather says. The damage there was I think is more consistent with 0°F same at my house. Trachycarpus fully defoliated while sabal minor unscathed. Sabal palmetto fried a little bit. But shockingly all of my Trachy's survived that event unprotected

Unfortunately, this isn’t the greatest picture either. But it’s an awesome little palm. This one’s considerably overhead, as you can see reaching up to the second story. Always looks great though.

Not sure if you have any Phoenix Roebelini around but it looks just like the volunteers that sprout in my garden near mine. Harry

Dudleyas are not agave, but I can hardly tell the agave weevil from the palm weevil. I have both just South West of you. Same MO just succulents instead of palms.

I found this under my Leucothrinax Morrisii alongside a volunteer from the mother. It clearly is not the same and does not resemble anything that I have. I poked around but do not see a seed. This is in Eastern Central Florida. Any ideas? My guess is a royal.

Chrysalidocarpus Baronii and some Neoregelia (that get a bit too much sun).

This is a rare one that we don't see everyday. Thanks for sharing.

Beautiful looking Copernicia. Look forward to next year’s update. Hopefully the droughts are over for at least another 100 generations. 😂

Found this good sized Canary Island Date palm when taking the back roads through Live Oak! I was stoked to see it!

Definitely doable in my opinion... I dont remember seeing palms in payson but I did notice large agave americanas...

Yes Harry, chamaedorea love my climate, this summer I germinated 8 species of chamaedorea

@richtrav interesting when I bought it the nursery said it was a rare Tabebuia and way back then I was not into palms but unusual plants!!!

And 9 months later in the (hopefully) later stages of a 30 year drought, the little fallaensis chugs along measuring at just over 5' tall(61 inches). The drought did seem to slow leaf production but we are now getting rain the last couple weeks so hopefully we can have a normal fall season where we can water more than once a week. So from an 20-21" 15 gallon to a 61" palm in 2 years, not so slow. All day sun, water and plenty of florikan palm special fertilizer. Once these get some roots they are fairly drought resistant, though this palm has seen 4" of rain the last few weeks. I'm my experience the last two years they really respond to rain. Seems like I need to add more pavers to the boundary to make it bigger.

A new leaf for the Chambeyronia ( Kentiopsis) Pyroformis! This one has been very slow . I probably planted it too young . Harry

By the way, the reason why there is all that space now is that there used to be a live oak there, until December 2021, which then the power company decided it was too wide and getting too close to the power lines. Which is definitely good for the Copernicia as it has much more sun than before, but it's definitely not good for the looks of the garden as now there is all this space with nothing in it.

Just saw this, it looks like real impetiginosus, which is fairly rare in the US. If the tag is right, palmeri is an old name for the Sonoran form of impetiginosus according to Gentry and your tree does look like a Mexican form of impetiginosus. In 2015 Hodel and others did an article about the Handroanthus in Southern California. The vast majority are heptaphyllus but a few (very few) appear to be impetiginosus (unknown origin). The old Tropic World nursery north of San Diego used to sell something that looked a lot like the impetiginosa in the article: In drier towns in Western Argentina trees that look like heptaphyllus may have some impetiginosus genes in them. In 2020 I collected seed of a heptaphyllus type in La Rioja back in 2020 and it does well here in South Texas while ones collected in a wetter area near Roque Saenz Peña (where heptaphyllus is native) struggle here with chlorosis issues. Both “species” are grown in La Rioja and the seedlings have varied from pretty close to heptaphyllus to things that look like impetiginosus with slightly smaller, serrated leaflets. A tree I bought from Desert Survivors in Tucson has a similar look to the La Rioja trees (it does very well here too). The heptaphyllus seen throughout Harlingen also appear to be well adapted by our local soil. The impetiginosus on the Virtual Library of Phoenix Landscape Plants looks correct except for a few pictures taken in So Cal. https://www.asu.edu/lib/camartin/plants/Plant%20html%20files/handroanthusimpetiginosus.html The tree in the first pic was taken near the Old Town Tavern in Scottsdale (it may be gone now).

This bunch of ripe fruit on our Butia caught my eye. Very unusual to have it hanging around like this . The high temps and humidity must of curbed the appetite of the squirrels! It is cooler this morning so maybe these will be gone by tomorrow. Harry

The seed I have planted is 17 ft from the house. As you might recall, I was wondering whether to plant Hyphaene thebaica or Borassus aethiopum and after realizing there is probably enough space, I decided to go for both. They are in a east-west line configuration, with a Copernicia fallaensis at the end: {borassus}----(hyphaene)----(copernicia) All about the same distance from the house. The Copernicia was acquired as a seedling in July 2019 and planted in the ground sometime in spring 2020. This year it's the first time that its size started to be somewhat notable although it's obviously still a juvenile. Hyphaene was planted in spring as seed directly in the ground and it sprouted in late June this year. Borassus was planted later in the ground, part of 3 seeds 2 of which apparently sprouted while in the mail package and were damaged. I planted the only one that had not sprouted, which also happened to be the largest one of the 3. This was planted in early August so I still have to wait some time to verify if it was viable. If not, I'll try again next spring. I know Borassus aethiopum is a large palm but looking at the one in Safety Harbor, very close to here, 17 ft from the house does not look like it would be a problem with leaves falling on the house unless they are blown by a hurricane force wind.

Just ordered again from Teddy his palms never disappoint. I have shopped at his online store many times and this is an even better deal. Thank You

My experience is in agreement with Jim's. I am in florida so different climate but we have sandy soil that dries out fast. Any wet loving palm in my yard does better grouped with other palms. The part shade reduces heating of the leaf. When sun heats the leaf, the plant releases water from stomata to keep it cool. Burn happens when the plant cant release enough water to keep it cool. Watering is great but has its limits when the roots cannot take up enough water fast enough to replace transpiration. You can take those archies to the arizona desert and water them all you want, they will look terrible in full sun. I have to laugh at my self for thinking archies wou;ld take the arizona sun and heat with the low humidity. As a strategy I grouped my wet loving palms so they shade each others roots and foliage at some point in the day. As palms establish big root systems they become much more resistant to the overheating and desication that causes burn. In florida, my triple alexandre are spaced 2 1/2' plus apart center to center and took 110mph winds from Milton with zero lift, so their roots are quite strong. The first roots to die upon drying are surface roots because the top of the soil column dries out first. This is why I like to shade the root areas of my palms from sun. The sun dries out soil on top by heating it.

That's good growth. It will pick up even more speed over the next season or two. Here is what two years of growth looks like on mine. Memorial Day 2024: And today:

One of my favorites I agree, but 27 years for that size is astounding, Richard! My first viable seeds grew up to be flowering plants by their third year, now in their fourth year the tallest ones have 3-4 inches of "trunk" already. Their little growth rings are spaced about half an inch apart and new leaves appear at a steady pace. I did bring one inside to trial as a houseplant and is certainly seems to be sleeping in comparison, I suppose the climate does make all the difference.

Any chance they went to Oklahoma or Weiss Lake? Those palms seemed remarkably unscathed or lightly damaged (depending on the individual) in February 2024 to have just experienced an estimated -10 degrees Fahrenheit low (according to AccuWeather, which in my experience is remarkably good at forecasting extreme temperatures and drought where I live). Unless they came from McCurtain County or the Coosa Valley, I suspect they may have hybridized with some hidden ones that may be nearby or been overrun by and hybridized with some from across the Mississippi line nearby. That's also part of why I'm inclined to think the mysterious Hardin County cluster growing in that highway ditch is probably wild; not only did it pop up in an abandoned area that's rather wet, they also showed remarkable resistance to a 0 degree Fahrenheit low and single digit high in December 2022 when the January 2023 street view went back through there. Now that I look, 2024 doesn't seem to have hurt the Hardin County ones that much either, although they still took more of a noticeable hit than they did in '22 and the Hornsby ones did. Granted, maybe we'll never know. Nature doesn't play by our rules. But if I ever meet the Cherokee, I'll probably ask them. If they say yes, I'll insist on making sure people believe them like scientists did about the California fan palms in Nevada - and even if they say no, the hunt for what may well have come naturally somewhere along our long southern border sometime in the past 190 years continues. I'm also rooting for those in Virginia that are trying hard to get the truth about their state's wild dwarf palmettos out once and for all.