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So the deed is done. It was almost like having to put down the family dog... I will probably wait a couple months before planting one, two, or possibly 3 smaller palms, I'm liking the flamethrower... They even left me a souvenir

I have a few papaya and some big colocasia (thai giant) in the black pots, so i could put them in the middle of the bananas or repot them into 5g buckets too. I'm trying to get them to set fruit this year, probably around early winter if things go well. They do seem to be sulking just a little bit but they probably aren't getting enough fertilizer atm either. Hey, I'm learning as i go. But they're getting pretty big, they're about belly button high or so. Def not as fast as the stories about "seed to fruiting in 9 months," but reasonably fast. The big colocasia (Thai Giant) don't care at all lol. But between fighting spider mites in the bedroom, trying to be a caregiver to my mom, taking care of Sancho, going through the household finances (yikes, that's a mess), running all of the errands, fighting disability, and taking care of myself (i def come last), it's a lot. I'll try to rearrange and whip up a few gallons of fertilized water and hopefully get some holes dug when it cools off Monday.

Uresana crossed my mind as well, due to the color. IN the first two pics and the last pic I immediately though uresana. But I have no confidence in ID'ing small sabals. It is surely not a palmetto though. I see plenty of palmettos here, NOPE.

Hmmm. @dalmatiansoap it’s a nice Sabal whatever it turns out to be! Looks kind of silvery; uresana maybe?

In nurseries they bunch them so the pots arent exposed as much sun, and they do use shade cloth. Also they may use high drainage soil and water more frequently. As water evaporates, it cools the soil. Personally I have nothing in full sun that is in a pot here. 1/2 day sun at most for my most sun tolerant potted palms. Pots dry out fast, and when they do, they get hot fast as when the water is gone heating drives temps up quickly. The black pots are handy in winter though, keeps the soil warm longer into fall/winter, so you still get some root growth, an extended season. Its is not a dumb question, I have had to learn that myself years ago.

Mine has been in the ground since 2021. Got it from Steve Anderson (Florida, I believe). You can see the growth charts below with the y-axis in inches of top frond height. I believe the Miamiensis has gone unprotected the past 5 years and, as a result, it regularly experiences temps in the low teens. I haven't had any problems with it. Zero care.

Is that a valid name?

For the first time in over 35 years mine froze last winter when it got down to 23 degrees here in St. Augustine. It surprised me because it killed them all the way to the ground. They are starting to sprout from the ground now fortunately but some of them were over 10' tall. It is so sad to see those full clumps of palms dead.

Sabal blackburniana?

What's your experience with Ravenea glauca seedlings? Mine isn't moving at all despite being outdoors in perfect conditions. In bright shade, very light medium, temperatures from 15 to 30 C, humidity around 50%, I water every other day.. all other palm seedlings are growing, like my Chambeyronia macrocarpa, my Kentiopsis oliviformis etc, only my R. glauca is not doing anything. Are they really that slow?

@RiverCityRichard I have 20+ C. radicalis I grew from seed from non-trunking parents and another couple I purchased that might have a little C. oreophila mixed in. They vary a bit in how stout they are at the base and how delicate the leaflets are despite all growing in roughly the same conditions. These appear to be growing more of a trunk than mine, but otherwise fall within the variation I see. If others have different thoughts, I'm curious to know as that is impressive cold hardiness and would be viable for my climate here.

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I have Radicalis (non trunking form) planted beside it. Is healthy, but has not grown much over 3 years. The leaflets look similar, but this palm has more relaxed and thin leaflets

@sonoranfans probably a bit more of 3ft from costa to tip of leave. 30 leaflet each side

Definitive ID of most sabals is done through inflorescences. They are tough or impossible to ID when young. I would rule out sabal palmetto, petioles are too rounded on the back in cross section. How big is the leaf? Looks pretty big.

The terpene that gives pepper its odor is beta caryophyllene. There are limited studies on cycads since cycads are not an important source of beta caryophyllene for fragrance companies. It is reputed to attract some pollinators and it deters herbivores, which might be important to species survival being it comes from the cone. Macrozamia sp have been found to emit beta caryophyllene and other terpenes from the cones. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17916726/ In the case of Macrozamia there is an odor mediated a push/pull pollination that is controlled by beta caryophyllene, beta myrcene, and beta ocimene. Most of what I have read about beta caryophyllene is its a herbivore deterrent, it tastes bitter to grazing animals and attracts some herbivore insect predators. As pure compounds, the beta myrcene smells of mangoes, and the beta ocimene is tropical/citrusy and is high in sweet basil plants. Beta ocimene and beta myrcene are some of the most potent attractors of pollinators but also repellents and even toxins of herbivore insects. For example beta ocimene kills aphids on contact very effectively, it doesn't just repel, it kills. I once bought a natural insecticide from the big box store and sure enough, the actives were a terpene mix including beta ocimene and others. I had a bad aphid attack when I lived in Alameda, it worked like a charm, all dead in minutes. ANd it smelled wonderful to me as I knew the fragrance was harmless and even healthy for humans. Here is one natural product pesticide/repellent you can trust(attached), always read the contents for what they are putting in it. This one has rosemary oil and clove oil in a water based suspension. Essential oils carry a number of terpenes unique to the species of plant. If you want to see all the terpenes you will have to look up assays of clove oil(mostly eugenol, very potent insect killer/repellent) and rosemary oil( a complex mix of terpenes)_ as they are natural products. Natural products don't have assays of all the contents (in a natural oil) on the label. Since humans consume both in spices on food, they are quite safe. Systemica_Indoor_Quart_R25-1.pdf

Looks near identical to my C. radicalis. I assume those were just two separate seedlings grown together.

For sure it ain't costaricana, because it lacks the auricles at the leaf base of new fronds.

Bought this as Chamaedorea CostaRicana last year as a small 1g. It’s going through its second summer and has been a pretty fast grower. It came from Redland Nursery in Homestead, where there is a lot of open pollination and many species of Chamaedorea in close proximity. Keep hearing that CostaRicana hates Florida, but this guy seems happy. Can anyone verify that is indeed what it is? Also should note it went through 24f with 30-40mph winds in February and was unscathed.

Perhaps multifrondis or debate sis? Encephalartos natalensis × horridus male flushing. I never removed last year's cones on this boy. It is developing a sizeable caudex with no pups. I have another on the other side of the Aloidendron Hercules, but it has put out a few pups in the last several years. This is a fast grower.

We have a saying in Greek like wish I had previously the recently obtained knowledge. That fits also in present case. Never miss taking pictures of the mother Sabal specimen, which you had gathered seeds from, focusing especially on reproductive organs, that is inflorescences. The more perspectives you use for the shots and the more close ups, the more will be the chances of a positive identification of both parent and offspring, provided that neither of them is actually a hybrid.😵‍💫 Otherwise you would have to wait about 20 years since germination for the offspring to reach maturity. All I can tell from those pictures is, that palman makes up around the half of the blade. This feature could exclude several spp.

Interesting. I've got more RPS seed on the way. I think this year I'll try a few different germination methods, including direct sowing some outside to see if our heat will get them going. I have no idea how old the seed is though, might have short viability.

Hello, I’d like to move this Copernicia Baileyana. It’s just going to be too big for the area and it’s too close to the Copernicia Macroglossa, which is better suited for that spot. I was wondering what the best way to dig this would be. It’s approaching 6’ tall, and maybe has a 9” base. Was thinking about digging in thirds (Fall 2026/Winter2026/Spring 2027) and putting it in a 25 gallon with some pumice to re-root. Or, perhaps replanting in the ground, that same spring? It’s in Clay soil. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks

Yep , great SoCal palm . This size is perfect for planting out . Mine grew from a strap leaf to a large palm in just over 20 years . This size will save a lot of years! Harry