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That could be the holy grale. Keep an eye on it for us. We need the seeds or seedlings, do something Jonathan lol.

Butia are beautiful palms and make a statement if you have the room. Brahea are nice if time allows or you can find a large one. Brahea Edulis is the faster growing species but the silver coloring of the Armata is impressive. Ravenea Rivularis are nice but in the heat of summer would require a whole bunch of water and they easily damaged by dry winds. Harry

I think its like the kentia and king palm. It would only survive in partial shade, and a good microclimate in the yard. This would be right in the front exposed to full sun, wind, and potentially the occasional cold snaps we get every once in a while

There are a couple growing ok at a collector’s garden here in Melb last I checked but as you know we’ve got a bit more summer heat here. I’ve never tried myself but might be getting some sprouts soon to trial. I did germinate a batch of C prunifera a couple of years ago. Silly me didn’t prop the seed up and bring a remote germinator the growth points were stuck way under soil level. I then also left them out unprotected over winter and within a week or so they all quickly rotted out. In future I’d treat these like the Livistona that require heat (eg alfredii). High ratio of perlite of something in the mix and protect from winter rain while young.

Santa Clarita Valley? .. Perhaps something " ..Majestic " ..AKA Ravenea rivularis. Mule would be ok too, ..just not as Majestic..

Butias are underrated for cold hardiness. I think they are (arguably) more hardy than palmettos. They are very popular in SE Virginia and piedmont NC - areas that can struggle with palmettos.

I think spring is finaly here. The last freeze and frost didn't hurt anything but 1 new banana leaf and 1 new elephant ear leaf. All new growth on everything else was untouched and still growing.

I’m trying to figure out what would be the most aesthetic. Unfortunately, my climate can’t sustain king palms or Kentias without being in a good microclimate. I prefer tropical palms that have feather fronds to the fan palms. I wish I could do something like this, but I cant so what would be the next best thing?

It's really cool to see! The other day we were coming home and when we were at the top of the mountain it was 30 degrees, but then we got down the mountain in the valley it was 19 it was pretty cool to see.

Yes they pretty good for that tropical look around the garden. And an easy palm to grow and lots of seeds available, in fact a species of chamaedorea thay are often overlooked and underrated by collecters just because there common. I love them. Richard

This February is in the top ten coldest for my area of Florida, but not top 5, with most of the rest of the state being below average, but just out of the top 10 by a few tenths to a degree or so. NWS preliminary data came out today for the month. Winter was just below average across the state due to December being warm and January only being slightly below average statewide. Not the worst but bad overall, with ag costs rivaling some 80s events but not the worst few. Not fun lol

I think all of the seeds would've sprouted by now. Now wait for the seedlings to make seeds lol

I'd take only take 3 of the oldest leaves off of each palm only if a big wind is forecast(70+ mph) to hit your place. I'd keep the stakes in for another 2 years at least. Then it should stabilize if you water liberally over a wide area around the trunks. If they are planted in sand, they may never stabilize in wind. Mine are in sand/clay mix that allows good root development. Sandy soil is terrible for root development with many palms. Mine were good to 110mph in Milton as mature palms but the leaf stems will bend and they will not straighten out. These palms, and many others will not take cat 3 hurricane winds. here is a pic of what Milton did to my(smallest) most damaged alfredii, all leaves were bent down. I left them on as long as they were green and the palms has grown 7 new leaves in one growing season. There was zero tilting or visible root damage Milton flattened every street sign in my neighborhood like this breaking the metal posts. the bent leaves are largely still green so I left them on. as of today here are the bent down leaves, this view from across the other side of the fence shows all the bent green leaves remaining after 10-2024: keeping those green leaves allows for faster recovery. Here is the new growth, ~7 new leaves looks like your were bent down. It will come back faster if you do not trim green leaves. I would cut if they go 1/2 brown maybe. Ive heard a lot of relatively large alfrediis reportedly knocked over in less than hurricane winds. The one here was planted in mostly sandy soil and it tilted slightly in hurricane IRMA which was only 75mph at my place. I have since mulched it heavily and put down turface MVP to help the soil remain moist longer and develop stronger roots. My two others had only leaf bending and not very much in 75mph IRMA, but most leaves were bent down in 110mph Milton.

I somehow missed this thread . There is a huge Brahea edulis in San Antonio that survived 8-11°F and probably 3-4 days below freezing in 2021. It has seen teens since then in atleast a couple winters, and may have existed in the 1989 freeze. Here it is recovering in 2024.

Yes I did use the right one. Amazon was showing Palmgain as out of stock, so I'm not surprised they can't get it either. People in Florida going crazy fertilizing damaged plants too soon, I think is the reason for the shortage.

@PJP, I appreciate the additional context. How cold was it in your garden?

On the wet side of the Big island in Hawaii. Want to plant a fan palm in a raised bed. We are on a rock hard lava shelf so digging down is almost impossible. Any experience with this palm planted in raised bed? What size bed should be built.

I got mine from there this year and didn't have any problems otherwise I wouldn't have recommended them. There are 2 seedworlds, the right one is seedworldusa com make sure you used the right one.

Why I go out of my way not to patronize AI sites. People are becoming too lazy and stupid to do their own research to learn, instead rely on others to do (bogus) research for them. I've been dodging Herr Zuckerberg for years after he proposed Facebook set up free individual internet accounts for all public school children nationwide. Someone that brazen and acquisitive is a danger to society and he's going to have to track me down to drag me into his cult. I can only hope younger generations will have the moxie to kick Facebook Fogies to the curb until the site disintegrates into the dust of history. But what awaits us in the future? Intelligence and wisdom have been in decline since the Greatest Generation.

My large inground hybrid on the east side of my property in between two large Tri Bears has Zero damage. Had protection from the freezing winds, I guess. The pic above is unprotected on the West side of my property. Will have to think about wrapping it in the future for protection.

Thank you for your help. How far back can I cut these? Can I only cut the fronds were they attach to the trunk or is there a better way?

It seems like the hybrid lipstick cold tolerance is a bit overstated. I had heard people claim 32 or even 30 with little damage, but I have personally seen large specimens with approximately 50% leaf damage at 35 or 36. Seems like a solid zone 10b or higher palm.

I have a question regarding the retention or shedding of fronds on Washingtonian palms. I’m familiar with a grove of Washingtonian palms in which some of the trees have completely bare trunks while adjacent trees of approximately the same age have the trunks completely covered with fronds. My question is what causes this phenomenon.

Back Orders of Pinanga ‘blue fruit’ and Areca vestiaria’s were shipped to me today, should arrive on Monday.