Anyone Growing palms in San Jose ?

[greekpalm]

The climate in San Jose,Ca is similar to that eastern coastal athens.

Phoenikakias and me live on the southern coast, so our latitude is the same, our winter temperature are similar (we have a bit higher extreme minima) and our summer temperature is around 4C higher.

rainfall is the same as well.

If you know a place that has also similar summer temperatures, that would be great, but i couldn't find any.

But the real question is if anyone knows an experienced grower from that region? it would be great to hear about his experiences and try to connect california palm lovers with mediterranean ones

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

The climate in San Jose,Ca is similar to that eastern coastal athens.

Phoenikakias and me live on the southern coast, so our latitude is the same, our winter temperature are similar (we have a bit higher extreme minima) and our summer temperature is around 4C higher.

rainfall is the same as well.

If you know a place that has also similar summer temperatures, that would be great, but i couldn't find any.

But the real question is if anyone knows an experienced grower from that region? it would be great to hear about his experiences and try to connect california palm lovers with mediterranean ones

Several of our Norcal Palm Society members live in San Jose but they avoid PalmTalk because people have been unfriendly here. I could probably put you in touch with them via email. Send me a PM.

[Phoenikakias]

The climate in San Jose,Ca is similar to that eastern coastal athens.

Phoenikakias and me live on the southern coast, so our latitude is the same, our winter temperature are similar (we have a bit higher extreme minima) and our summer temperature is around 4C higher.

rainfall is the same as well.

If you know a place that has also similar summer temperatures, that would be great, but i couldn't find any.

But the real question is if anyone knows an experienced grower from that region? it would be great to hear about his experiences and try to connect california palm lovers with mediterranean ones

Manos, have you used the climate data from weather station in Eleftherios Venizelos to make the comparison? I assure you they are not entirely applicable on our location or at least on mine. Countless times I have observed how strong it was raining on the coastline from Varkiza westwards and and in Mesogeia, while my place have reached only a couple of weak rain drops (for some minutes), which do not sufice even to moisten soil surface. On the same pattern I have observed recently how temps during a cool summer day rise up of 2 degrees C as I approach with my car the coastline and leave behind the attica highway leading to Eleftherios Venizelos. Converesely I have also observed many times during a heat wave how the temps drop at least of 2 degrees C (during evening much more) as I approach on same route coast line.

Edited July 18, 2013 by Phoenikakias

[greekpalm]

no i used data from kalyvia. indeed it rains much more over there. i live just in the transitional zone. and the same counts for the temperature,

[Jeff Searle]

The climate in San Jose,Ca is similar to that eastern coastal athens.

Phoenikakias and me live on the southern coast, so our latitude is the same, our winter temperature are similar (we have a bit higher extreme minima) and our summer temperature is around 4C higher.

rainfall is the same as well.

If you know a place that has also similar summer temperatures, that would be great, but i couldn't find any.

But the real question is if anyone knows an experienced grower from that region? it would be great to hear about his experiences and try to connect california palm lovers with mediterranean ones

Several of our Norcal Palm Society members live in San Jose but they avoid PalmTalk because people have been unfriendly here. I could probably put you in touch with them via email. Send me a PM.

Several? Really?

[palmluva]

Hello from San Jose, CA! We have been growing palms for 31years around the SF Bay Area and 4 years in Hawaii. The most recent has been 18 years right here in San Jose. We have visited Santorini, Athens, Korfu and Olympia and indeed the climate is extremely similar with a touch more humidity in Athens. We would be happy to discuss our experiences growing palms with you. You can see some older pictures of our garden if you search palm talk for David Sylvia's garden.

We grow 110 species of palm here and can provide lots of data on exposure/cold/heat hardiness.

[KennyRE317]

The climate in San Jose,Ca is similar to that eastern coastal athens.

Phoenikakias and me live on the southern coast, so our latitude is the same, our winter temperature are similar (we have a bit higher extreme minima) and our summer temperature is around 4C higher.

rainfall is the same as well.

If you know a place that has also similar summer temperatures, that would be great, but i couldn't find any.

But the real question is if anyone knows an experienced grower from that region? it would be great to hear about his experiences and try to connect california palm lovers with mediterranean ones

Several of our Norcal Palm Society members live in San Jose but they avoid PalmTalk because people have been unfriendly here. I could probably put you in touch with them via email. Send me a PM.

wow, that sucks

[palmluva]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

[LJG]

The climate in San Jose,Ca is similar to that eastern coastal athens.

Phoenikakias and me live on the southern coast, so our latitude is the same, our winter temperature are similar (we have a bit higher extreme minima) and our summer temperature is around 4C higher.

rainfall is the same as well.

If you know a place that has also similar summer temperatures, that would be great, but i couldn't find any.

But the real question is if anyone knows an experienced grower from that region? it would be great to hear about his experiences and try to connect california palm lovers with mediterranean ones

Several of our Norcal Palm Society members live in San Jose but they avoid PalmTalk because people have been unfriendly here. I could probably put you in touch with them via email. Send me a PM.

I am sure they must live in a bubble to avoid any mean people everywhere they go in life.

[Jeff Searle]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

palmluva,

Welcome! I would love to see any pictures of your garden your willing to share. Once you learn how to. Lol. It sounds like you have a nice collection.

Jeff

[Jim in Los Altos]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

palmluva,

Welcome! I would love to see any pictures of your garden your willing to share. Once you learn how to. Lol. It sounds like you have a nice collection.

Jeff

Not only does David's garden contain hundreds of well grown palms, it's an artistic treasure as well. I've enjoyed a couple of visits there and look forward to going back.

Welcome back to Palmtalk David!

[Phoenikakias]

Nice to meet you in PT David (palmluva). I really hope you can also profit some new knowledge or interesting experiences from greek palm afficionados. Certainly I have the feeling that I at least will obtain from you valuable information...

[Phoenikakias]

I did not like previous number of active posts...

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

Hello from San Jose, CA! We have been growing palms for 31years around the SF Bay Area and 4 years in Hawaii. The most recent has been 18 years right here in San Jose. We have visited Santorini, Athens, Korfu and Olympia and indeed the climate is extremely similar with a touch more humidity in Athens. We would be happy to discuss our experiences growing palms with you. You can see some older pictures of our garden if you search palm talk for David Sylvia's garden.

We grow 110 species of palm here and can provide lots of data on exposure/cold/heat hardiness.

Welcome back to PalmTalk, we need more Norcal people here who can contribute to the body of knowledge on how to grow palms in the Bay area and beyond. I am curious what sorts of species you do grow and in which part of San Jose you live. There are obviously many microclimates. I know the one closest to the Airport and near Japan Town seems to be one of the best microclimates for palms in the entire Bay area. Less frost, warmer nights due to the proximity of the SF Bay waters yet still plenty of Summer heat.

[palmluva]

As soon as I learn how to post pictures on here, I'll be a lot more useful. I'm more that happy to share my experiences, but showing the results will be more fun for anyone who is interested. If it's too inappropriate to tell me how to post here, perhaps you could send me an e-mail on how to post photos at my palmluva@aol.com address.

[LJG]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

palmluva,

Welcome! I would love to see any pictures of your garden your willing to share. Once you learn how to. Lol. It sounds like you have a nice collection.

Jeff

Not only does David's garden contain hundreds of well grown palms, it's an artistic treasure as well. I've enjoyed a couple of visits there and look forward to going back.

Welcome back to Palmtalk David!

Well lets go David. Where are the pics?

[Mauna Kea Cloudforest]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

palmluva,

Welcome! I would love to see any pictures of your garden your willing to share. Once you learn how to. Lol. It sounds like you have a nice collection.

Jeff

Not only does David's garden contain hundreds of well grown palms, it's an artistic treasure as well. I've enjoyed a couple of visits there and look forward to going back.

Welcome back to Palmtalk David!

Well lets go David. Where are the pics?

I guess us Northern California Silicon Valley folks have to teach some Southern Californians how to use the internet. A search reveals http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/2008-a-few-nor-cal-meeting-pics/.

[greekpalm]

Hello from San Jose, CA! We have been growing palms for 31years around the SF Bay Area and 4 years in Hawaii. The most recent has been 18 years right here in San Jose. We have visited Santorini, Athens, Korfu and Olympia and indeed the climate is extremely similar with a touch more humidity in Athens. We would be happy to discuss our experiences growing palms with you. You can see some older pictures of our garden if you search palm talk for David Sylvia's garden.

We grow 110 species of palm here and can provide lots of data on exposure/cold/heat hardiness.

well in general athens is much more drier than korfu and olympia, athens is borderline semi arid and santorini has a desert climate (koppen classification).

so from what i've heard san jose is colder than athens. can you tell us more about your climate, and of course tell us more about the palms you have been growing successfully in san jose ?

[ghar41]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

Hi Dave, welcome to palmtalk!

Maybe I can help you with your pictures. Make sure you are using the "More Reply Options" tab on the lower right hand corner. You should be able to download and post pics up to 8.1 MB. If your pictures are larger than that, check the picture software on your computer to see if you can compress them- don't forget to save your originals.

There is a forum here on palmtalk where you can practice. Once you get the hang of it, you can get them going pretty easily.

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/20036-test-photo-posting-here/#entry333436

For those of you who have not visited this garden in San Jose- it is a fantastic collection, an artistic treasure, and a Northern California gem.

[LJG]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

palmluva,

Welcome! I would love to see any pictures of your garden your willing to share. Once you learn how to. Lol. It sounds like you have a nice collection.

Jeff

Not only does David's garden contain hundreds of well grown palms, it's an artistic treasure as well. I've enjoyed a couple of visits there and look forward to going back.

Welcome back to Palmtalk David!

Well lets go David. Where are the pics?

I guess us Northern California Silicon Valley folks have to teach some Southern Californians how to use the internet. A search reveals http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/2008-a-few-nor-cal-meeting-pics/.

Thanks. Not familiar with the google machine.

[palmluva]

Hello all,

We're having a lovely 88+ degree temp today. This is by far the warmest spring/summer in 5+ years. The palms are loving it. Instead of giving every species, I'll list some of the more unusual ones that have been successful in the ground for at least 10 years. Guihaia argyrata, Syagrus glaucescens, Acoelorrhaphe wrightii, Trithrinax biflabellata, Butia arenicola, Brahea clara, Brahea Elegans, Brahea Nitida, Brahea decumbens, Brahea moorei, Rhapis excelsa var: ziukanishiki, multifida, humilis, Chamaedorea stolonifera, klotzschiana, plumosa, glaucifolia, ernesti-augusti, benzii, geonomiformis, oreophila, brachypoda, Linospadix monostachya, Lytocaryum waddellianum, Lytocaryum Hoehnei. Allogoptera arenaria, A. campestris ,A. leucocalyx, Parajubaea torallyi v. torallyi, P. microcarpa,P. sunkha and P,cocoides. Trachycarpus, nana, T. martianus, T. latisectus, T. princeps and T. manapur. Livistona australis Dypsis onilahensis, D. decipiens. Sabal burmudana Nannorrhops storksiana. Rhopalostylis sapida, fruiting from little barrier island, Ravanea glauca, Arenga englerii 2 fruiting Archontophoenix cunninghamiana flowering. Caryota's too. Pardon my spelling, as this would have taken much longer to bring to you.

Some big more common ones are Trithrinax campestris, acanthocoma and brasiliensis, Brahea armata, edulis. Phoenix loureirii, reclinata, (golden form) super blue Butia.

Newer stuff is Beccariophoenix alfredii, (piece of cake to grow, by the way) and 21 species of cycads, many fruiting. There are more palms as well, and great ones but too many to list, I'm getting tired of typing.

Still I await instructions on how to post pictures of all this stuff! Come on guys. Where's the tech savy??? BTW we saw 26degrees here last winter.

[palmluva]

Glenn,

Thanks for the instruction. I will be working on it. Pictures are a lot more fun than words! I thank you very much.

[greekpalm]

Phoenikakias do you think Dypsis decipiens would grow here? (lows arent a problem but highs/ sun/ low humidity might be)

[Phoenikakias]

Phoenikakias do you think Dypsis decipiens would grow here? (lows arent a problem but highs/ sun/ low humidity might be)

As you have very correctly guessed, latter seems to me also the main problem. Thanks to Mr Bradford and Jeff in Modesto we may have the solution to our particular problem (very porous substrate, mulch and white collars). Also all time lows can probably be a lethal problem.

Edited July 21, 2013 by Phoenikakias

[Phoenikakias]

Hello all,

We're having a lovely 88+ degree temp today. This is by far the warmest spring/summer in 5+ years. The palms are loving it. Instead of giving every species, I'll list some of the more unusual ones that have been successful in the ground for at least 10 years. Guihaia argyrata, Syagrus glaucescens, Acoelorrhaphe wrightii, Trithrinax biflabellata, Butia arenicola, Brahea clara, Brahea Elegans, Brahea Nitida, Brahea decumbens, Brahea moorei, Rhapis excelsa var: ziukanishiki, multifida, humilis, Chamaedorea stolonifera, klotzschiana, plumosa, glaucifolia, ernesti-augusti, benzii, geonomiformis, oreophila, brachypoda, Linospadix monostachya, Lytocaryum waddellianum, Lytocaryum Hoehnei. Allogoptera arenaria, A. campestris ,A. leucocalyx, Parajubaea torallyi v. torallyi, P. microcarpa,P. sunkha and P,cocoides. Trachycarpus, nana, T. martianus, T. latisectus, T. princeps and T. manapur. Livistona australis Dypsis onilahensis, D. decipiens. Sabal burmudana Nannorrhops storksiana. Rhopalostylis sapida, fruiting from little barrier island, Ravanea glauca, Arenga englerii 2 fruiting Archontophoenix cunninghamiana flowering. Caryota's too. Pardon my spelling, as this would have taken much longer to bring to you.

Some big more common ones are Trithrinax campestris, acanthocoma and brasiliensis, Brahea armata, edulis. Phoenix loureirii, reclinata, (golden form) super blue Butia.

Newer stuff is Beccariophoenix alfredii, (piece of cake to grow, by the way) and 21 species of cycads, many fruiting. There are more palms as well, and great ones but too many to list, I'm getting tired of typing.

Still I await instructions on how to post pictures of all this stuff! Come on guys. Where's the tech savy??? BTW we saw 26degrees here last winter.

What is the P reclinata golden form? Well I can rather imagine a picture of it but does it have already a horticultural status established? I was thinking that yellow hue depends more or less on cultivational conditions. But reading this report makes me think it is rather genetically predestined (just like orange and common P. theophrastii). 26 degrees are rather low but I assume it has been only of short duration combined with even lower dew point...

[Tassie_Troy1971]

Palm luva

Your garden looks fabulous ! Some really interesting and varied species you have growing up there !

[doranakandawatta]

David,

I am looking forward to enjoying your pics,

How old and how big is your Dypsis onilahensis?

Regards

Philippe

[dalmatiansoap]

Glenn,

Thanks for the instruction. I will be working on it. Pictures are a lot more fun than words! I thank you very much.

I guess being non IPS members brings us smaller picture upload capacity so I recommend using some of internet image hosting services like Photobucket or something

[palmluva]

Hello all,

We're having a lovely 88+ degree temp today. This is by far the warmest spring/summer in 5+ years. The palms are loving it. Instead of giving every species, I'll list some of the more unusual ones that have been successful in the ground for at least 10 years. Guihaia argyrata, Syagrus glaucescens, Acoelorrhaphe wrightii, Trithrinax biflabellata, Butia arenicola, Brahea clara, Brahea Elegans, Brahea Nitida, Brahea decumbens, Brahea moorei, Rhapis excelsa var: ziukanishiki, multifida, humilis, Chamaedorea stolonifera, klotzschiana, plumosa, glaucifolia, ernesti-augusti, benzii, geonomiformis, oreophila, brachypoda, Linospadix monostachya, Lytocaryum waddellianum, Lytocaryum Hoehnei. Allogoptera arenaria, A. campestris ,A. leucocalyx, Parajubaea torallyi v. torallyi, P. microcarpa,P. sunkha and P,cocoides. Trachycarpus, nana, T. martianus, T. latisectus, T. princeps and T. manapur. Livistona australis Dypsis onilahensis, D. decipiens. Sabal burmudana Nannorrhops storksiana. Rhopalostylis sapida, fruiting from little barrier island, Ravanea glauca, Arenga englerii 2 fruiting Archontophoenix cunninghamiana flowering. Caryota's too. Pardon my spelling, as this would have taken much longer to bring to you.

Some big more common ones are Trithrinax campestris, acanthocoma and brasiliensis, Brahea armata, edulis. Phoenix loureirii, reclinata, (golden form) super blue Butia.

Newer stuff is Beccariophoenix alfredii, (piece of cake to grow, by the way) and 21 species of cycads, many fruiting. There are more palms as well, and great ones but too many to list, I'm getting tired of typing.

Still I await instructions on how to post pictures of all this stuff! Come on guys. Where's the tech savy??? BTW we saw 26degrees here last winter.

What is the P reclinata golden form? Well I can rather imagine a picture of it but does it have already a horticultural status established? I was thinking that yellow hue depends more or less on cultivational conditions. But reading this report makes me think it is rather genetically predestined (just like orange and common P. theophrastii). 26 degrees are rather low but I assume it has been only of short duration combined with even lower dew point...

I call it the golden form, as it does not have any horticultural status that I know of. I can tell you that the spathes emerge orange, and the rachis is a copper/yellow. It also seems more tender than the regular relclinata. Yes indeed the 26 degrees is typically a one or two day event in the winter and only lasts for 3-4 hours. The day will go back up to the high 50's if its a sunny one.

[ghar41]

Glenn,

Thanks for the instruction. I will be working on it. Pictures are a lot more fun than words! I thank you very much.

I guess being non IPS members brings us smaller picture upload capacity so I recommend using some of internet image hosting services like Photobucket or something

Oh that's right.

Dave, if you are a member of the International Palm Society and would like to upgrade your picture posting capacity- click on the picture of the envelope on the upper right hand corner then scroll down to "compose new." This will create a Private Message. Address it to "PALM MOD" and request that he give you IPS status on the forum. This will boost your picture posting capacity.

[Dr. George]

David - When posting pics I generally put my lineup in a separate folder on my desk top, numbering order and labeling each, then drag each one into Photoshop to reduce the image sized to 6x8 or 8x10 and reduce the resolution to 100 pixels/inch. Generally results in 200 - 400KB pics.

"Browse" to select and up load a pic from your computer for posting.

Then "Attach This File" to get them into the post

Then place text marker in the body of the text where you want to insert a pic and use "Add to Post" to insert the image.

Like this:

When you can't up load any more pics for a specific post, make the post, then start another reply to continue with additional pics.

I always use the Preview Post to see how text and images line up (and catch my typo errrrrors) before hitting the fateful "Add Reply" button.

If you post with pics attached to the file but not inserted into the text, they will appear at the end of the post under the title Attached Thumbnails (see below)

Hope this is helpful - gmp

[palmluva]

I only know how to attach files when writing an e-mail. There is usually a browse button but this Post menu has no such thing. How do I browse files from this menu to shrink and then attach?

[dalmatiansoap]

click on More Reply Options below reply bar.

[Phoenikakias]

Hello all,

We're having a lovely 88+ degree temp today. This is by far the warmest spring/summer in 5+ years. The palms are loving it. Instead of giving every species, I'll list some of the more unusual ones that have been successful in the ground for at least 10 years. Guihaia argyrata, Syagrus glaucescens, Acoelorrhaphe wrightii, Trithrinax biflabellata, Butia arenicola, Brahea clara, Brahea Elegans, Brahea Nitida, Brahea decumbens, Brahea moorei, Rhapis excelsa var: ziukanishiki, multifida, humilis, Chamaedorea stolonifera, klotzschiana, plumosa, glaucifolia, ernesti-augusti, benzii, geonomiformis, oreophila, brachypoda, Linospadix monostachya, Lytocaryum waddellianum, Lytocaryum Hoehnei. Allogoptera arenaria, A. campestris ,A. leucocalyx, Parajubaea torallyi v. torallyi, P. microcarpa,P. sunkha and P,cocoides. Trachycarpus, nana, T. martianus, T. latisectus, T. princeps and T. manapur. Livistona australis Dypsis onilahensis, D. decipiens. Sabal burmudana Nannorrhops storksiana. Rhopalostylis sapida, fruiting from little barrier island, Ravanea glauca, Arenga englerii 2 fruiting Archontophoenix cunninghamiana flowering. Caryota's too. Pardon my spelling, as this would have taken much longer to bring to you.

Some big more common ones are Trithrinax campestris, acanthocoma and brasiliensis, Brahea armata, edulis. Phoenix loureirii, reclinata, (golden form) super blue Butia.

Newer stuff is Beccariophoenix alfredii, (piece of cake to grow, by the way) and 21 species of cycads, many fruiting. There are more palms as well, and great ones but too many to list, I'm getting tired of typing.

Still I await instructions on how to post pictures of all this stuff! Come on guys. Where's the tech savy??? BTW we saw 26degrees here last winter.

What is the P reclinata golden form? Well I can rather imagine a picture of it but does it have already a horticultural status established? I was thinking that yellow hue depends more or less on cultivational conditions. But reading this report makes me think it is rather genetically predestined (just like orange and common P. theophrastii). 26 degrees are rather low but I assume it has been only of short duration combined with even lower dew point...

I call it the golden form, as it does not have any horticultural status that I know of. I can tell you that the spathes emerge orange, and the rachis is a copper/yellow. It also seems more tender than the regular relclinata. Yes indeed the 26 degrees is typically a one or two day event in the winter and only lasts for 3-4 hours. The day will go back up to the high 50's if its a sunny one.

Hi again palmluva,

when you describe 'rachis as being copper/yellow' you mean something like following?

[palmluva]

I have lots of pictures to share, but I can't figure out how to load them. Every time I try, I get a message that the file is too big. Any tips?

palmluva,

Welcome! I would love to see any pictures of your garden your willing to share. Once you learn how to. Lol. It sounds like you have a nice collection.

Jeff

Not only does David's garden contain hundreds of well grown palms, it's an artistic treasure as well. I've enjoyed a couple of visits there and look forward to going back.

Welcome back to Palmtalk David!

Hi Jeff, Thanks for your kind comments.

[palmluva]

Hello all,

We're having a lovely 88+ degree temp today. This is by far the warmest spring/summer in 5+ years. The palms are loving it. Instead of giving every species, I'll list some of the more unusual ones that have been successful in the ground for at least 10 years. Guihaia argyrata, Syagrus glaucescens, Acoelorrhaphe wrightii, Trithrinax biflabellata, Butia arenicola, Brahea clara, Brahea Elegans, Brahea Nitida, Brahea decumbens, Brahea moorei, Rhapis excelsa var: ziukanishiki, multifida, humilis, Chamaedorea stolonifera, klotzschiana, plumosa, glaucifolia, ernesti-augusti, benzii, geonomiformis, oreophila, brachypoda, Linospadix monostachya, Lytocaryum waddellianum, Lytocaryum Hoehnei. Allogoptera arenaria, A. campestris ,A. leucocalyx, Parajubaea torallyi v. torallyi, P. microcarpa,P. sunkha and P,cocoides. Trachycarpus, nana, T. martianus, T. latisectus, T. princeps and T. manapur. Livistona australis Dypsis onilahensis, D. decipiens. Sabal burmudana Nannorrhops storksiana. Rhopalostylis sapida, fruiting from little barrier island, Ravanea glauca, Arenga englerii 2 fruiting Archontophoenix cunninghamiana flowering. Caryota's too. Pardon my spelling, as this would have taken much longer to bring to you.

Some big more common ones are Trithrinax campestris, acanthocoma and brasiliensis, Brahea armata, edulis. Phoenix loureirii, reclinata, (golden form) super blue Butia.

Newer stuff is Beccariophoenix alfredii, (piece of cake to grow, by the way) and 21 species of cycads, many fruiting. There are more palms as well, and great ones but too many to list, I'm getting tired of typing.

Still I await instructions on how to post pictures of all this stuff! Come on guys. Where's the tech savy??? BTW we saw 26degrees here last winter.

What is the P reclinata golden form? Well I can rather imagine a picture of it but does it have already a horticultural status established? I was thinking that yellow hue depends more or less on cultivational conditions. But reading this report makes me think it is rather genetically predestined (just like orange and common P. theophrastii). 26 degrees are rather low but I assume it has been only of short duration combined with even lower dew point...

I call it the golden form, as it does not have any horticultural status that I know of. I can tell you that the spathes emerge orange, and the rachis is a copper/yellow. It also seems more tender than the regular relclinata. Yes indeed the 26 degrees is typically a one or two day event in the winter and only lasts for 3-4 hours. The day will go back up to the high 50's if its a sunny one.

Hi again palmluva,

when you describe 'rachis as being copper/yellow' you mean something like following?

DSC01645.JPG

The color is even more intense that that in your picture. The female spathes on my palm are orange/gold.

[palmluva]

Glenn,

Thanks for the instruction. I will be working on it. Pictures are a lot more fun than words! I thank you very much.

I guess being non IPS members brings us smaller picture upload capacity so I recommend using some of internet image hosting services like Photobucket or something

Oh that's right.

Dave, if you are a member of the International Palm Society and would like to upgrade your picture posting capacity- click on the picture of the envelope on the upper right hand corner then scroll down to "compose new." This will create a Private Message. Address it to "PALM MOD" and request that he give you IPS status on the forum. This will boost your picture posting capacity.

Thanks Glenn, I'll give this a try.

[Phoenikakias]

The climate in San Jose,Ca is similar to that eastern coastal athens.

Phoenikakias and me live on the southern coast, so our latitude is the same, our winter temperature are similar (we have a bit higher extreme minima) and our summer temperature is around 4C higher.

rainfall is the same as well.

If you know a place that has also similar summer temperatures, that would be great, but i couldn't find any.

But the real question is if anyone knows an experienced grower from that region? it would be great to hear about his experiences and try to connect california palm lovers with mediterranean ones

Manos, have you used the climate data from weather station in Eleftherios Venizelos to make the comparison? I assure you they are not entirely applicable on our location or at least on mine. Countless times I have observed how strong it was raining on the coastline from Varkiza westwards and and in Mesogeia, while my place have reached only a couple of weak rain drops (for some minutes), which do not sufice even to moisten soil surface. On the same pattern I have observed recently how temps during a cool summer day rise up of 2 degrees C as I approach with my car the coastline and leave behind the attica highway leading to Eleftherios Venizelos. Converesely I have also observed many times during a heat wave how the temps drop at least of 2 degrees C (during evening much more) as I approach on same route coast line.

Around midnight from last Saturday to Sunday in Glyfada (coastal road) I have recorded 30 C and in Varkiza and in my home as well 27 C (coastal road near my home 26 C).