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This is the Patric Yatay mule I got back in 2015. It had a real bad spear pull the second year it was in the ground & has since sailed through every freeze & storm since then. Took out a mandarn tree to make room for it 2015.

30F this morning. Temperature is struggling to climb. Only expecting a high of 49F today before tanking to 29F tonight. Looking in the long range, mid to late January will be a time to watch. Pattern appears to be favorable for arctic outbreaks during that time.

Yeah I learned that the hard way.

yes, a blessing in disguise

First one is what was D. Ampasindave and the flower of L. Rupicola

Oh no!

Did you look at the price? They have also imported these box size trees into Arizona. Sales were brisk at first with about 2 dozen sold in the $15K price range, installed, but you can get one now for under $10K. Still seems pricey for a 2 ft tall ball trunk, but instant gratification does come with a cost.🤷‍♂️ aztropic Mesa, Arizona

Yeah the guy at Moon Valley, when I was there the other day, said their most popular palm is the "Pineapple Palm". 🙄 Don't threaten me with a g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ Phoenix canarensis!

I think when your zone limits choices, the names can seem superfluous. I started palms in zone 9a where perhaps less than 2-3% of all palms can grow. trade names seemed to be sufficient, but now in a solid 10a the numbers of palms I can grow have increased dramatically and things like trade names for sabals, livistonas, dypsis, kings, chambeyronias, copernicias/yareys, etc all have a frustrating lack of specificity in trade names and make researching care for them more difficult and error prone. How many have planted a palm in the wrong site and wasted money and more importantly time due to lack of information? You want to push a zone make sure you have the right sabal, and some like being very wet while others hate it. There are two that will kick it or be severely burned at 25-26F degrees in an advective event. When I want palm specific growing conditions for planning my garden I want the scientific names so I can determine water and fertilizer or cold protection needs. I dont buy palms from nurseries that dont even have the scientific names on the label because they often don't know what that palm is and I cant identify many palms at a young seedling stage that I buy. How many of us have bought a misidentified palm and were frustrated when we didn't get what we paid for? I have planted half a dozen misidentified palms that didn't grow or thrive as expected. Im not wasting my time with sellers that don't even know what they have, the expense of caring for a palm eventually exceeds the purchase price so I want to know how to care for them. My favorite palms have almost invariably come from sellers that know the palms so I can research them and care for them properly. I used to get frustrated by the names too, I don't like being forced to memorize anything I cant use, so I understand if you are in a cold zone or are not that interested in palms as a hobby. I lived away from my garden for 7 years and rarely posted as I was not taking care of them week to week. I also saw old friends disappear from this forum, sometimes by choice and sometimes not by their choice(RIP). I got tired of the redundancy and all the coconut palm posts but you can zoom right past the really basic or redundant posts if you are not interested, or don't have the time to help someone new. Personally, this forum has been a goldmine of information for my #1 hobby, and I want to give something back, as there were experienced people who did that for me. I was one of the ones that insisted on the cold hardy palms forum, if you are zone 8 or 9a that might be the best forum here for you as you will be able to find what you want faster with less effort. When you live in zone 10 or 11, its different and you cannot get a lot of information without reading about and asking about palms, and if you are serious the scientific names really matter. I have looked at several other sites, and found them lacking in at least one of several areas I wanted to explore. I am not looking to sell anything or for the off topics that often contain just gabbing or trolling. Palmtalk is a well moderated site that I can get away from all the $%^ out there in the world that is often represented by a small number of the population that is angry or frustrated with their lives. I am too old to let someone I don't know drag my day down and kill my qi. I can come here for information, or to help someone, who like myself at one time, needed it. Palmtalk may not be for everyone and that is ok, there are other sites that cater to various degrees of involvement and content people may desire. This one is more about the rich information and help available almost nowhere else in help for selecting and growing your palms. You can be starting at square one and get help, or more experienced and looking to branch out in your garden. I sometimes ask myself what would my garden look like if I had not joined palmtalk? It would probably be a pretty boring garden I might have never been bitten by the palm bug. I may have chosen the low maintenance approach everyone else around me has. Bkue you can grow this one very well in your zone. I never would have known it but for palmtalk when I had it planted it in 2011. peace

I know Moon Valley in Brentwood has several. I saw them myself about a month ago. I had to pull over because they had a couple big Bizzies out front. I looked at the rest of their stuff in the back. Big box Jubeas, just like you are looking for.

Nooooo the Central Valley is fog central from November through January, give or take. It doesnt always happen, but it can happen during these months when conditions are right. It usually begins with one of the rainstorms off the Pacific which soaks the soil. High pressure systems often form over the area which block new storm systems from blowing the cold, moist air out. Being that the valley is surrounded by a 14000 foot ridge to the east (the sierra nevada), and the coastal mountains on the west, the air has nowhere to go and condenses at ground level. As the air warms at higher elevations, the cold air sinks and compounds these conditions. The longer the fog lingers, the more dense it becomes. It often stays with us a day or two before the next storm moves in and clears the skies. This fog spell lasted approximately a month, which is pretty long even for us.

I thought only coastal areas experienced fog in California. How does this fog occur? I thought central valley was bone dry.

Plants are confused and flushing with the unusal warm winter I’m having.

mine died in the summer from too much heat!

Hah! Yeah I do have issues with some plants every winter. We do get this type of fog event regularly in winter, but it's not usually for this long. Many times, it'll last a few days, and more often it'll burn off by noon and we get breaks. Plumerias don't usually have problems with it. This fog spell was pretty long, even for us. More recently, because of extended drought, we've gone the entire winter without fog. It's such a short lived phenomenon (in 3 months we'll be hitting close to 100F) but it defines winter here

Two cousins to compare..armata and super silver..

It was the only way I could get the whole thing in one picture. It's growing like a vine almost. Those fronds are over 2 feet left, 2 feet right, and 2 feet down.

Wow, that sounds worse than my 8 years in Scotland and England! I guess you have issues with fungi every winter? Btw I noticed you plant Chrysalidocarpus-es in the ground quite early! My Roystonea wanted to say hi and send wishes for a speedy recovery to yours:

Great palms to grow.

Post your question on the FB cycad forum. This has been discussed throughly. You’ll gain a wealth of information so you can make an informed decision on what you might have. You can also look for post by Sim Lav on the topic, he is somewhat of an expert on Cycas debaoensis. I have several “different” C debaoensis plants in my garden. All sellers said for certain they were the real deal. Unfortunately almost all are hybrids. A couple are nice looking! If your plant doesn’t resemble the plant in the picture I’m posting, it’s likley not debaoensis. Keep in mind there are some nice hybrids that favor the true parent plant. However with a close eye you should be able to note the difference. With that being said unless you know the locality of the parent plants it’ll be a nothing more than a guessing game. Most in the “know” are aware of the sellers that continue to sell questionable seed. Everything I have learned over the last few years indicates Deboaensis is more or less unknown in collections. I personally know die hard collectors still looking for it. This is a seedling leaf.

It does look like lemon grass? Crush up a small piece and see if it smells like lemon, if so you have a nice plant to make a great cup of tea!

That be right they keep on changing the names as usual! Still a beautiful plant though!

I can see it, beautiful plant!

That’s impressive, especially with no heating, surviving the February 2012 cold spell using only overhead protection says a lot about your setup and microclimate. Seeing Butia catarinensis fruiting is definitely a challenge for your climate, but it also shows that with the right species selection and protection, more is possible than people usually expect. Growing and maintaining 10 palm species outside is already a great achievement, even compared to traditionally better palm climates.

Mollinera, aka palm grass they get rather large clumps if left unchecked. Keep an eye out for the small yellow flowers at the base of them.