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Shortly after starting a trunk. Basically when the trunk grew high enough where the drooping leaves no longer touched the ground for support, they just fell off on their own. When the palms were still young and looked like bushes, the leaves would turn completely brown but would not fall off so I cut them to a stub. It took many years for those old stubs to become loose enough so I could break them off without damage. In Jubaea there are two factors which break the fibers of the old leaves and stubs. 1) Weight of the dead leaf drooping down which slowly breaks the fibers holding he leaf on the trunk, and 2) expansion of the lower trunk caused by compression of the weight bearing down as the mass of the trunk increases with age. Fibers holding old stubs at the bottom of the trunk will not fall off by gravity, but will over a much longer period of time eventually break away from the trunk due to expansion caused by compression. I know many people do not agree that Jubaea trunks get wider with age because Palms don't normally do that, but when looking at the leaf scars at the bottom of any Jubaea it is obvious the scars are stretched out 2 to 3 times their original width and are flattened or squished thinner several times original. Also I know Jubaea widen at the base with age because I have measured it year by year leaving no doubt.

Pelago’s sold out now.

Ok, thanks Ben.

the second pic is rupicola for sure. Note how you can see through a leaf close to the stem for a inch or so then the leaflets blocks sun/sky away from the stem. The second pic shows this very well. Sometimes it doesnt come from a pic due to the leaf angle with the camera or due to a full crown blocking light. Here is my rupicola triple, hard to make out the individuals. This is a 15 years from 3 gallon triple cooking in our worst drought in 30 years with limited irrigation water. Each palm of the triple has about 5' of trunk still covered in dead leafbases. A closeup of the stem shows the "see through" at the stem Rupicola is not a large palm, the leaves are 8' long and the tree trunk, leaf bases on, is about 13-15". Mine were well watered, right next to irrigation popup and palms that are near the popups tend to get thicker trunks as they get more water and the trunk is ideally 65-70% water. I have found that trunk thickness of a number of common palms here depend on watering and soil drainage(can kill water intake if root systems are small. Those not on irrigation are always skinnier of the trunk. Rupicola is a great mid size palm, not a large palm.

Looks good Steve. I was told Kisambo were super fast. Mine did not get the memo. Whatever I’m doing, Kisambo does not approve cuz it’s slow as molasses. Love Arenarius. Underused in gardens for sure. -dale

Yes Harry, this summer I germinated 20 species of palm trees, I also bought seeds of 4 species of chamaedorea in Europe, not even 1 germinated! I have decided that I will not buy seeds, but I will exchange them with people on this forum.

I germinated a few from one of my adult palms . Same thing , pretty fast at getting their second leaf. Those look great @gyuseppe ! Harry

When did your Jubaea start self cleaning?

Arenarius flush hardening off

Thought I'd bump this for an update, for better or worse..

SLC Mem. Alvin Beggman Poem, (Sc. Beaufort x Laelia esalqueana). My tiniest little Catt type. I just love this little cutie 😊

Yeah, they sure move along! Probably right up there with Washingtonia speed-wise; maybe faster..

A nice one I grew from seed seems to like winter.

Here’s the same palm 5 weeks later going into winter growing even stronger. Not a problem for marojejya in cool climates, we have a zone push winner and a great one at that.

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Thanks brother and never attacked by kitty cats

And they are not even in my greeenhouse or hothouse, just outside under the verandah on the NE side of the house dry and not wet in the rain. Cold wet conditions is what gets your seedlings, not this batch! So far so good!

This lot are doing well for winter, with 2 degrees celcius in the air this morning! Iam quite surprised for the middle of winter that they are doing fairly well, there have been a couple of winter casualties so the cool conditions are there to kill palms. With six weeks of winter so far it started off as warm start but that soon ended when the whales started to migrate north from Antarctica (I think @Jonathan organised them to bring his cold weather with them!) Do far so good with this lot it just goes to show a little zone pushing and willing to take the risk on seeds the rewards are there, Ive had more winter winners than losers, so that’s saying something about the odds in my favour in my climate!

Alright then, I'll try to do with that perhaps after they all have grown, thank you!

They're fast! I'd already grown them from seed, but I didn't remember they were fast,second leaf and germinated at the beginning of May.

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I think a short-term drop in humidity isn't too bad. However, it shouldn't last too long or happen every day over a longer period. Perhaps you could find a solution by using sphagnum moss near the roots; that would help keep the humidity higher right around the stem. But please don't cover the roots; they need to breathe. Good luck.

Livistona rotundifolia super fast growing palm, and a nice licuala sallehana

Johannesteijsmannia perakensis, i somehow dont think I will see it get a trunk in any time soon! I grow so many joeys they are just so predictable in there growth patterns, winter is there only downfall, being even slower for an already slow growing palm. Keep the water up to them they drink like a drowning fish!

Snow occasionally but rarer now a days, frozen rain though for sure more often than snow! 🥶