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I will post fruit/seed sizes when I can. The ID game is difficult in Sabals for a variety of reasons. The original seeds for this palm came from inge hoffman on a seed collecting trip with the IPS decades ago. Joe had received these seeds and has grown them in Augusta, GA ever since. The seed size of ours is smaller than zona had noted but nevertheless comes from habitat collected "rosei" parents. Here is parent palm of ours This has been discussed at length with many folks who have been doing this for decades and decades, but the problem with judging everything on zona's work is challenging and incomplete. His data was a point in time, and has not evolved since. The area where he did hisi work, specifically with uresana is cartel country and no one goes back to continue his work so to say what he found decades ago is gosepl, concrete, and will not change is silly. If you read the monograph the population he studied was very small so the sample size is not large at all. Again.. It's a Sabal rosei until something convincingly proves us all otherwise. There are many examples of this including the Sabal domingensis (Valdosta, GA) is another great example. Everyone has a domingensis, everyone is certain there is a domingensis, and even more certain someone elses' is not. Until someone goes back and picks up with zona left off it is an amazing foundation, but incomplete and still just a starting point with so much yet to learn with our beloved Sabals.

@pj_orlando_z9b + @Kiplin That's odd for Phoenix reclinata. All or most of them here in Florida are actually hybrids, but the two I grew from seed are completely undamaged.

Sure looks like it (not going to walk over and find out). The palms were regularly setting seed and flowering profusely. The flowers are quite showy/conspicuous for a palm, much more so than Washingtonia

Nice bit of nostalgia 😊 The greenhouses at Parc de la Tête d'Or are a classic — going back and seeing the same palms years later must’ve felt like stepping into a memory. Did they look much different after all that time?

@Xenon Are those smaller ones behind also Livistona? I assume that's over on 45. That's really interesting, although I only saw them a few times before the 2021 freeze I never noticed them setting seed.

A company we’ve worked with confirmed a male in Irvine.

Not a stupid question. Spore germination is quite an intricate process involving many steps. To put into simple terms each individual spore will produce what’s known as a gametophyte. A gametophyte is basically a heart shaped leaf containing male organs on the top and female organs on its underside. Once the gametophyte has matured, the male organs will start releasing sperm which will swim to the underside of the leaf where the female organs are, or on other gametophytes. Once fertilized, it will reach the sporophyte stage. This is when the first true frond will emerge. Some examples: So what you’re seeing right now are the early stages of gametophyte development. There are thousands of individual plant crowded together and will compete with each other for light and space. This carpet of moss will eventually thin themselves out leaving the strongest to survive.

Tim, Paul Latzias sent me those pictures above along with an C. ovobontsira sp. metallic the other week. I guessed they'd come from Hawaii, but had no idea they were yours. Really lovely palms. Paul also sent me this image the other day, which made me chuckle. From left to right, Michael Smith, Harry Edwards, Ben Allgood, Josh Sullivan, Bruce Lowe, and finally Paul.

Thanks all, such a nice palm. Tim

It was so weird flying into Orlando on Monday after the cold front and just seeing brown everywhere from the plane. It felt like we were flying into Denver. It definitely looks like winter around here. I'll certainly be very glad to see some green soon! I'm surprised that those reclinata fronds burned so hard. I had always thought they were hardy but then again, the combination of winds and cold were awfully tough for these palms.

That is a great looking palm. Can you post some fruit sizes of this palm? I know many people have looked at whether this is a rosei and that would help clear that issue up. From the fronds and other pics you have shared this palm resembles something more like a minor x palmetto hybrid like brazoriensis and would have the resulting fruit size similar to brazoriensis in the <10mm range and not in the 15mm+ range of rosei. The leaf segments also do not seem small enough diameter to be rosei that has the more delicate wispy look

I ordered mine online. It arrived bare root wrapped in damp newspaper. I immediately planted it in the ground. That was 4 years ago. It has grown into a monster...

i think i might replace it with a healthy coconut palm it was my first palm ever and i ripped all the boots of when i didnt know i was supposed to, never fertilized, i also thought it be a good idea to fertilize with reef aquarium salt, and i picked out a bad palm that all the roots were brittle, and i ripped off so many boots at one point it was oozing sap. If the second year fails ill just get something like a bacarriophenoix alfredei

i have no idea where to get one

The growing medium was/is "mineral soil with neutral pH" and a little organic(a bit of leaf mold). Please realize those roots are "constrained". I actually prefer to direct seed my filifera right in the ground. As to my full sun trachy, my -10f unprotected survivor seems to like a touch of coffee grounds percolating into my sandy alkaline soil. I believe they prefer a neutral to slightly acidic soil, at least in my climate/soil. Someone in acidic conditions, may actually find it beneficial to raise the ph more towards neutral. I do have an ongoing discussion/report out concerning my filifera. A couple years old, real time discussion, concerning filifera. In it are my thoughts, beliefs, and findings related to this species, and how I grow this species in a 7b climate, with nothing other than passive protection.

Still waiting for more seeds!!! Ugh...

At work near I-Drive, I was surprised a large group of reclinata are all yellow and brown. It is in an open field. It will be fine but wouldn't think 25ish would fry the fronds. As it warms, so much has browned around town. Looks so odd around Orlando.

Keep your head up homey. Man, it seems like everyone is just getting their butts kicked by one thing or another right now. Just do what you can to try to center yourself. As best as you can anyway.

I agree on the species....

Brassavola mueller × nodosa is blooming again. It is interesting how the color changes from pink to yellow as the flowers mature.

Look a lot better than I thought they would. Makes me wonder if the Maratima you sent me could make it once they recover from the crap soil I had them in - apparently the center of it dried out, they've been repotted and are slowly recovering. You know how slow these things are to recover from the slightest little bird fart.

These mid winter flushes are so slow on Encephalartos genus. Rain and wind next week could wreak havoc on soft leaflets mid flush. Encephalartos laurentianus in my case.

Hope it makes it. We're all in wait-and-see mode.

It's been a few years so figured I would update on our Sabal rosei. It handles cold extremely well and looks like it will start getting ready to push a trunk soon

Still have plenty of green on this coconut. Trying to mark the spear to get an official read. Buccaneer is browning, starting to get a bit worried. I keep applying hydrogen peroxide and there's a minimal amount of bubbling. Everything else seems to be trying to push through. Just gave the plumeria a good prune to get off the squishy tips. I'd be surprised if it made it but honestly the wood looks pretty good so we'll see!