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Needle palm/sabal minor winter care guide for a zone 6a/6b climate?


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I’m in northern Ohio and I’m considering buying my first palm. I’m choosing between Sabal minor and needle palm. We can get down to -10 some years but that’s more of a rare thing nowadays. We usually get around -5. I’d say we’re a warm 6a border on 6b. When we get below zero, we instantly warm up to the teens or at least above zero during the day. Tons of snow around where I live, probably around 100 inches a year, maybe slightly less. I can provide mulching for it. I’m planning to plant it on the south side of the house right next to the foundation in a sunny spot. Which palm is better and what are the care guides for both of them?

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I would plant Sabal minor (or both species?). I've often said you can landscape a whole yard with S. minor cultivars so your choices are many. Needle palms are relict palms from the Pleistocene that some palm experts claim were aided reproductively by now extinct giant sloths - bears are thought to do that chore now. Whether they are on the way to extinction themselves I don't know but they are what they are - no cultivars or varieties unlike Sabal minors. While they are beautiful and tough in their own right I have discovered that they don't thrive in my SWFL sweltering, ferocious sun climate. I believe my winters are not cold enough for them. I have been unable to keep a needle alive long term even in shade and given up on them - 3 strikes put this species out of my lineup.

If I were you I would experiment with both species and report the results to PT. If more people did that we'd learn a lot more faster.

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I’m going on 3rd growing season with both of these although in zone 8a west Texas so much different climate. We are much hotter on average all year but get far less moisture. I’ve found sabal minor is much easier to establish as needle palm spear pulled on me here the first winter. I learned they don’t like full sun here either. I would try both as well. There full sun would be ideal and you can’t overwater them if the ground drains decently. I know someone growing both in 5b with minor protection. I believe he left one needle palm unprotected this last winter and it made it through fine with some damage.

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Go with mostly Sabal minor trust me, Of course you can plant some needle palms (I would, )but I would mostly use Sabal minor, Needle palms are such Fussy palms They take a couple of years to establish, they spear pull very easy as young plants. I 100% agree @PalmatierMeg There are so many cultivars you can grow and  use in your yard! and still have such a great look. One of my friends always says, Experiment grow all sorts of different Sabal varieties! But plant sable minor and needle palm as your backbone!  In your yard in case  you have a crappy winter, that kills out or sets back the less Hardy varieties, you will always have a good looking yard Because of the needle palms and S, minor!

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Do both 

I do, zone 6 here 

Mine are in the open on the north side so I protect a bit.

But  mine have seen dips to single digits briefly w/o protection. I have lost some but that's the game when zone pushing.

Going strong 5 years in ground,at least my needle, it's in full sun 

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