So it’s been 10 months in red solo cups, and all of the Dypsis lafazamanga seedlings and little fragments from floribunda made it.  Not too much babying or coddling.  Just some fertilizer and water and a fair amount of direct sun.  Some variability.   

I’m about to pot-up.   Should I put 2-3 to a bigger pot or leave it at 1, and expect a lot of clumping in the future anyways?   Don’t know what to expect in the future.  

April 29th 2021…  6 seedlings and +3 rando fragments….

Today….

The king of the seedlings….

 

 

Edited February 28, 20224 yr by Looking Glass

Personally I like full plants to start. I usually put 3 plants in a pot to get the head start, even though they are clumpers.

Here’s a photo of one plant from the garden, spectacular palm and a medium clumper. Personally I would plant as single because of the arc of the stems from a single point. If multiples are planted together, it might look rather chaotic, but hey, it just depends on preference. 

Tim

25 minutes ago, Barry said:

Personally I like full plants to start. I usually put 3 plants in a pot to get the head start, even though they are clumpers.

I’m not sure if they clump like Pembana or more like Lutescens…..

4 minutes ago, realarch said:

Here’s a photo of one plant from the garden, spectacular palm and a medium clumper. Personally I would plant as single because of the arc of the stems from a single point. If multiples are planted together, it might look rather chaotic, but hey, it just depends on preference. 

Tim

Nice.   More like in between then?   When do you set seeing clumping?  

I’ve got a Dypsis Lanceolata that was acquired as a 1G and it was planted as 3 singles together in one pot. I often wonder if this thing is gonna go crazy with the clumping or what? I like the way it looks currently. No clue what the future hold, just gonna roll with it. 
 

-dale

D. lafazamanfa and D. pembana are very different in habit. D. pembana have trunks more than twice as large as lafazamanga and so much taller. They also have big, swollen trunk bases and take up a lot of space. I once planted two together not realizing just how big the clump would grow to be.  They are nice palms in the right situation. Mine were removed during a concrete pour. I don’t miss them.

As far as lutescens, again very different in habit. Super aggressive clumper creating huge root bosses if not constantly thinned. They have their benefits, but more a utility rather than a specimen palm especially here in Hawaii.

Tim

I don't see this handsome bloke listed on PalmPedia under the Dypsis link, might it be listed otherwise?  I think me needs me one...

I purchased a 5 gallon one from Josh Allen.  It is struggling to adapt;   from a greenhouse in Vista to outdoors here in SF.   Not clear yet if it will improve, or eventually be relocated to a warmer microclimate.

On 2/28/2022 at 9:00 PM, realarch said:

Here’s a photo of one plant from the garden, spectacular palm and a medium clumper. Personally I would plant as single because of the arc of the stems from a single point. If multiples are planted together, it might look rather chaotic, but hey, it just depends on preference. 

Tim

That is gorgeous! I have one small one in the ground and another in pot, waiting for me to decide where the right place is, but it just moved up the list for front and center. Absolutely love the color on this one! I can only hope mine will grow close to this in my lifetime.

19 hours ago, Barry said:

That is gorgeous! I have one small one in the ground and another in pot, waiting for me to decide where the right place is, but it just moved up the list for front and center. Absolutely love the color on this one! I can only hope mine will grow close to this in my lifetime.

I wonder if we can achieve that power-white that comes out in so many types of palms in the wet, warmth and less intense sun of certain areas of Hawaii.  It’s quite a bit dryer and harsher in these parts.  Much of that powder seems to turn to hard bark here, pretty quickly.  

Intense, hot days late dry-season,  and nighttime soggy wet-season lows in the mid 80s, seem to melt many tropical palms here also.  

Still, there’s only one way to find out…

Edited March 2, 20224 yr by Looking Glass

2 hours ago, Looking Glass said:

I wonder if we can achieve that power-white that comes out in so many types of palms in the wet, warmth and less intense sun of certain areas of Hawaii.  It’s quite a bit dryer and harsher in these parts.  Much of that powder seems to turn to hard bark here, pretty quickly.  

Intense, hot days late dry-season,  and nighttime soggy wet-season lows in the mid 80s, seem to melt many tropical palms here also.  

Still, there’s only one way to find out…

Yes, we can only hope to achieve this type of growth. But we have to try, the one I have in the ground is still small and green. No real color yet. I will get a picture this weekend.

So, in typical fashion, it took me almost a month to do A 30 minute project, but I finally up-potted the baby Lafazamangas to 1 gallons yesterday.   Hit them pretty hard with fertilizer this month, and that and the spring weather seemed to green them up.  
 

Planted the strongest as singles, and some doubles and a triple for the weaklings.   

Interestingly….  There appears to be babies havin’ babies???   This little guy is trying to flower, it seems……  wish he would spend his time on other pursuits.   

 

16.5 month update on the Lafazamanga seedlings…..

I did my major fall repositioning of everybody to account for the changing sun angles.  

The King of the Seedlings is dead….   Long live The King.   I’m now convinced the king was actually a hybrid.  It grew to 3x the size the the others and flowered in less than a year.  In my brilliance, I cut off the little popcorn flower stalk.  It then rotted back into to palm and slowly the whole palm crumped, rotted, and died, over several months, despite my treatments.  Made me sick to my stomach.  I f’d up…..

 

The others continue to grow in variable, but similar sizes, with occasional yellowing.  But are doing well in morning sun.   

They are starting to make their first split now…. 

 

My Lafazamanga says hello!

* Is it still "Lafazamanga" by the way? I purchased this one locally, but on the ones I bought from Floribunda, the tags were originally marked "Lafamazanga". Later price lists switched the "za" and "ma", so I updated my tags. But now don't see it listed on Palmpedia anywhere (swore it was there earlier). I'm sure it's a Crysalidocarpus now, but is "Lafazamanga" still the trade name?

Anyway, I absolutely LOVE mine. Very colorful and always looks lush & beautiful. I gave it a prime spot and am glad I did. This summer it put out a couple extra-long fronds, which bring the plant height to 6 feet. I'm a big fan of this one (whatever it's called these days).

As for color & form, comparing mine to the one posted by @realarch (Hawaii) mine appears to have...
- more yellow
- no black
- lighter green
- more curved fronds
Mine is grown in near full (coastal) sun in Southern CA. 

5 hours ago, iDesign said:

My Lafazamanga says hello!

* Is it still "Lafazamanga" by the way? I purchased this one locally, but on the ones I bought from Floribunda, the tags were originally marked "Lafamazanga". Later price lists switched the "za" and "ma", so I updated my tags. But now don't see it listed on Palmpedia anywhere (swore it was there earlier). I'm sure it's a Crysalidocarpus now, but is "Lafazamanga" still the trade name?

Anyway, I absolutely LOVE mine. Very colorful and always looks lush & beautiful. I gave it a prime spot and am glad I did. This summer it put out a couple extra-long fronds, which bring the plant height to 6 feet. I'm a big fan of this one (whatever it's called these days).

As for color & form, comparing mine to the one posted by @realarch (Hawaii) mine appears to have...
- more yellow
- no black
- lighter green
- more curved fronds
Mine is grown in near full (coastal) sun in Southern CA. 

This is all Palmpedia has about the palm. 
 

7 hours ago, iDesign said:

My Lafazamanga says hello!

* Is it still "Lafazamanga" by the way? I purchased this one locally, but on the ones I bought from Floribunda, the tags were originally marked "Lafamazanga". Later price lists switched the "za" and "ma", so I updated my tags. But now don't see it listed on Palmpedia anywhere (swore it was there earlier). I'm sure it's a Crysalidocarpus now, but is "Lafazamanga" still the trade name?

Anyway, I absolutely LOVE mine. Very colorful and always looks lush & beautiful. I gave it a prime spot and am glad I did. This summer it put out a couple extra-long fronds, which bring the plant height to 6 feet. I'm a big fan of this one (whatever it's called these days).

As for color & form, comparing mine to the one posted by @realarch (Hawaii) mine appears to have...
- more yellow
- no black
- lighter green
- more curved fronds
Mine is grown in near full (coastal) sun in Southern CA. 

Jesus!  What size did that start out as?  Looking good and sizable there.   I don’t think these love the summer heat here.  They seem to slow down in the hot summer, and are perhaps happier in regular warm weather of fall to spring.   

8 hours ago, Looking Glass said:

Jesus!  What size did that start out as?  Looking good and sizable there.   I don’t think these love the summer heat here.  They seem to slow down in the hot summer, and are perhaps happier in regular warm weather of fall to spring.   

I bought mine as a large 5g in June 2021 and planted it immediately. So it's seen a little over one year of growth in my location.

Here's a photo of mine from a year ago...

When I got it it had two robust trunks + one small offshoot. It split and now has four robust trunks. Leaves look similar to a year ago, but the latest two are huge and shooting over the fence.  The photo above shows it during the small time of the day when it gets a bit of shade. Most of the day it's in full (coastal) sun.  It didn't show any stress during our recent (long) heat wave, so perhaps it's humid heat it doesn't like?

I do still wonder if there are two variations of these out there. The one @realarch posted is quite vertical and has bits of black on the petioles. While others of us have a more "fluffy" version with no black and more yellow stems. It looks like @Hilo Jason in HI has the same kind as I do. Here's a photo of his for comparison...

And a great thread with some debate as to the origins...

Sounds like there's some debate as to whether "lafazamanga" is it's own thing, a variation of another palm, or a hybrid. My 2 cents is that there appears like there might be two "lafazamanga" forms out there at a minimum. I like both types. 🥰

I purchased a really nice Lafazamanga from Josh-O but it failed to thrive in my cold, humid microclimate, and has gone to the great compost bin.   

A robust grower and splitter for me. This was a 4"/1gal (?) from Floribunda that went in the ground in April 2019 (far left of this planter).

It is now well over than the wall. 

I have one that's a pretty robust grower don't have a pic when I first planted as a 1 gal in 2020 but have a pic of it a year ago to now.  Wish it had the cool black coloration.

Here are updated photos of mine. Very fast and seeding like crazy. I assumed it might be a hybrid but the seed are good, so not sure what that means! 

6 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

Here are updated photos of mine. Very fast and seeding like crazy. I assumed it might be a hybrid but the seed are good, so not sure what that means! 

Those are pretty big.  They look good and happy.   

This is the first Palm I have that “splits”.  The seedlings are starting to divide down the middle, into sizable mildly asymmetrical halves.  I’ve got a Pembana, that sends out little offshoots and suckers and doinkers, but that looks like a totally different type of process.  
 

6 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

Here are updated photos of mine. Very fast and seeding like crazy. I assumed it might be a hybrid but the seed are good, so not sure what that means! 

 

Thanks for the update!! Fun to think about what mine *might* grow to someday (obviously keeping in mind that yours gets the HI advantages). I didn’t realize they had the potential to get that tall. Awesome! 🔥

Did the color fade a bit? Looks like it might be like baronii where it’s more colorful when young. Still a beautiful plant!

Here’s mine. I love this palm. Got it the end of May 2021 as a good sized 5g from Josh O straight out of his greenhouse. At the time I wasn’t even looking for one of these but if sure glad I made the impulse buy. I broke 2 fronds off while driving home cause I just carelessly threw it in the truck and it rolled around. Then planted it immediately in full sun without any acclimation phase. It never skipped a beat. Fast grower and dark green. 
 

With only at 2.5 year old garden most my stuff is small and not trunking. At this point I’d say it’s my prettiest and most unique palm. Over 8’ tall. Only bummer is I planted it on the side yard, not a frequently viewed area.

Pics are from late May 2021 and then just yesterday.

50 minutes ago, Dusty CBAD said:

 

Pics are from late May 2021 and then just yesterday.

Yeah, she’s a beauty and super happy. That growth rate is awesome. Probably loves the West facing blasting sun and radiant heat from the stucco. It thinks it’s on the big island!! 🤣

-dale

Ya I didn’t realize at the time but it’s probably in the perfect spot. Heat from wall. Protected from Santa Ana’s and afternoon sea breeze. It gets some afternoon light filtering from big triple king just to the south and west of it.

These palms are really fast IMO. I planted mine from a Floribunda 1 gallon a year or two ago.  At the time it had just split into two stems, from a single.  Yesterday I noticed 3 more stems are splitting, bringing the total to 7.  Its put on a few feet of height too.

This is such a handsome palm. A pig got mine a while back but it has recovered and is throwing it’s first flower

On 3/1/2022 at 6:35 AM, Billeb said:

I’ve got a Dypsis Lanceolata that was acquired as a 1G and it was planted as 3 singles together in one pot. I often wonder if this thing is gonna go crazy with the clumping or what? I like the way it looks currently. No clue what the future hold, just gonna roll with it. 
 

-dale

They’re usually modest clampers or singles. 
 

NICE group you have there!

On 3/1/2022 at 11:54 AM, Darold Petty said:

I purchased a 5 gallon one from Josh Allen.  It is struggling to adapt;   from a greenhouse in Vista to outdoors here in SF.   Not clear yet if it will improve, or eventually be relocated to a warmer microclimate.

You get a medal for bravery!

On 11/8/2022 at 4:42 PM, Tjohnson said:

These palms are really fast IMO. I planted mine from a Floribunda 1 gallon a year or two ago.  At the time it had just split into two stems, from a single.  Yesterday I noticed 3 more stems are splitting, bringing the total to 7.  Its put on a few feet of height too.

They’re GORGEOUS when we’ll grow like yours!

Dave, mine went to the great compost pile in heaven.   

10 minutes ago, Darold Petty said:

Dave, mine went to the great compost pile in heaven.   

Bummer! 😢

So far, only ambositrae, baronii, and onilahensis have grown here.  I will console myself with my six Hedyscepe and five Ceroxylon palms.  

Does anyone have both C ‘lafazamanga’ and C arenarum planted? Can anyone comment on the differences? From the photos they look similar, or perhaps visually C ‘lafazamanga’ is somewhere between C arenarum and C lutescens. 

On 11/10/2022 at 6:11 PM, tim_brissy_13 said:

Does anyone have both C ‘lafazamanga’ and C arenarum planted? Can anyone comment on the differences? From the photos they look similar, or perhaps visually C ‘lafazamanga’ is somewhere between C arenarum and C lutescens. 

I have them planted side by side, so very easy to compare that way.  Lafazamanga is the larger clump on right, Arenarum on the left:

Dypsis Lafazamanga (for me) is a faster grower and a bit more robust.  Also a bit more colorful. 

Lafazamanga:

Arenarum:

also good to note are the undersides of the leaves on Lafazamanga are green but on Arenarum they have a whitish / grey tint to them.  I’m sure there are other differences that smarter people will point out.  

 

 

Thanks @Hilo Jason, perfect visual comparison!

Thanks for the photos everyone, which makes me think there are several species with the name ‘ lafazamanga’ going around. So, who knows at this point. 

What I acquired as D. lafazamanga came from a local grower and looks quite different from most of the photos in the above posts. There is no yellowish color on the leaf sheath or petiole and the speckling is black, not reddish. The leaf is a dark green, gray color and very stiff. 

It also has a pronounced dark gray margin at the collar of the leaf sheath, which I must admit is enhanced by a recent bout of a sooty mold.

It is a spectacularly beautiful palm, here are.a couple of photos.

Tim 

22 minutes ago, realarch said:

Thanks for the photos everyone, which makes me think there are several species with the name ‘ lafazamanga’ going around. So, who knows at this point. 

What I acquired as D. lafazamanga came from a local grower and looks quite different from most of the photos in the above posts. There is no yellowish color on the leaf sheath or petiole and the speckling is black, not reddish. The leaf is a dark green, gray color and very stiff. 

It also has a pronounced dark gray margin at the collar of the leaf sheath, which I must admit is enhanced by a recent bout of a sooty mold.

It is a spectacularly beautiful palm, here are.a couple of photos.

Tim 

“Lafazamanga Black Petiole”… looks awesome.