Jump to content

Help with Sabal ID


Dimovi
 Share

Recommended Posts

I am unable to identify this Sabal. The seeds are super tiny even smaller than W. filifera.

It is very cold hardy as the recent snow storm in Austin with temperatures down to the upper single digits did not have even the slightest hint of damage while most other sabal (except for minor) got significant foliar damage, the Mediterranean fan palms got defoliated and some were killed and even some Trachycarpus fortunei sustained damage.

1217573620_PXL_20210314_0434043712.thumb.jpg.4b8980ccea71ccae6ec07bf2767a46fa.jpg

 

The pictures below were taken exactly one year apart, so you can see the growth rate.

Nov 2020

1340444840_PXL_20201118_1632538892.thumb.jpg.b56c18b8a50b76a72e648af1c9203d1b.jpg

 

Nov 2019

5066293_IMG_20191121_153929109_HDR2.thumb.jpg.2dabbead94c854d65a4284fe6ba83a9d.jpg

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Unfortunately, I am not too wise.  But, I think Sabal "Riverside" may have seeds like that.

http://www.maderapalms.com/sabal-riverside-palm#:~:text=riverside fruit is smaller%2C and,mexicana.

Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California.  Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, awkonradi said:

Unfortunately, I am not too wise.  But, I think Sabal "Riverside" may have seeds like that.

http://www.maderapalms.com/sabal-riverside-palm#:~:text=riverside fruit is smaller%2C and,mexicana.

Interesting.  I have seen conflicting info on 'Riverside' seed size.  This site shows quite small seeds for 'Riverside', but seeds I've collected from the Sabal 'Riverside' at the Arboretum at Constitution Park in Deerfield Beach, FL and also from Sabals being sold in a nursery in Riverside, CA as Sabal 'Riverside' were both large and similar to the size of Sabal mexicana.  @Jerry@TreeZoo might be able to confirm?  Here is a photo of the 'Riverside' at the Tree Zoo I borrowed from Palmpedia.

600px-5655e6a2155b9_photo1%2812%29.JPG.d9ec1a58f7fa3fd3cf728e1c87ae6dd4.JPG

Jon Sunder

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, Fusca said:

Interesting.  I have seen conflicting info on 'Riverside' seed size.  This site shows quite small seeds for 'Riverside', but seeds I've collected from the Sabal 'Riverside' at the Arboretum at Constitution Park in Deerfield Beach, FL and also from Sabals being sold in a nursery in Riverside, CA as Sabal 'Riverside' were both large and similar to the size of Sabal mexicana.  @Jerry@TreeZoo might be able to confirm?  Here is a photo of the 'Riverside' at the Tree Zoo I borrowed from Palmpedia.

600px-5655e6a2155b9_photo1%2812%29.JPG.d9ec1a58f7fa3fd3cf728e1c87ae6dd4.JPG

Actually, the tree in the center of that photo has been identified as Sabal uresana.  The "Riverside" is only half-way in the photo on the left.  It does have larger seed if I remember correctly.

  • Like 1
  • Upvote 1

So many species,

so little time.

Coconut Creek, Florida

Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years)

Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5655e964ac0e4_photo2%2810%29.JPG.7a2f65fe350c4a69c4c00e22d0163008.JPG

  • Like 2
  • Upvote 1

So many species,

so little time.

Coconut Creek, Florida

Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years)

Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Abone you see the riverside on the left, the Uresana on the right and palmetto in the middle.

  • Upvote 1

So many species,

so little time.

Coconut Creek, Florida

Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years)

Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Jerry@TreeZoo said:

Actually, the tree in the center of that photo has been identified as Sabal uresana.  The "Riverside" is only half-way in the photo on the left.  It does have larger seed if I remember correctly.

I do remember the 'Riverside' was misrepresented in the Palmpedia photo.  I recall looking up the palm profile at the hotel shortly after visiting the garden and was surprised to see the same tree I had just collected seeds from (and taken a photo of) on Palmpedia!

Jon Sunder

Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 3/16/2021 at 10:28 PM, Fusca said:

I do remember the 'Riverside' was misrepresented in the Palmpedia photo.  I recall looking up the palm profile at the hotel shortly after visiting the garden and was surprised to see the same tree I had just collected seeds from (and taken a photo of) on Palmpedia!

Hmmmm,  "just collected seeds from".  I don't recall giving anyone permission to collect seeds from it.

JUST KIDDING!

  • Like 1
  • Upvote 2

So many species,

so little time.

Coconut Creek, Florida

Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years)

Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Jerry@TreeZoo said:

Hmmmm,  "just collected seeds from".  I don't recall giving anyone permission to collect seeds from it.

JUST KIDDING!

Ha!  That was a good one Jerry!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...
On 3/14/2021 at 8:16 PM, Dimovi said:

Is uresana supposed to be that cold hardy? I can't find much info on it.

Yeah, some strains might even be hardier than Palmetto.

Nothing to say here. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

An old thread:

 

Edited by awkonradi
  • Like 1

Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California.  Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sabal Riverside fruit & seed.

20210402_133149.thumb.jpg.ad9cebcf20da3667d2fcaedaab43c92d.jpg

 

  • Like 1
  • Upvote 1

Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Dimovi, would you be willing to post some new pictures of this palm?  It would be cool to see some post-freeze pictures of it!

  • Like 1

Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California.  Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, awkonradi said:

Hi Dimovi, would you be willing to post some new pictures of this palm?  It would be cool to see some post-freeze pictures of it!

Here is what the palm looked like one week after the freeze. I could not see any visible damage of any kind. It is about a bock away from my house where I have two thermometers that registered 10F and under 7F respectively. The palm is not protected by anything. The thermometer with the lower reading is about 10 foot lower in elevation near a creek bed, so I assume the palm experienced temperatures around 8F or 9F.

PXL_20210225_161732176~2.jpg

Screenshot_20210405-102711.png

Screenshot_20210405-102614.png

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...