Dimovi Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 I am unable to identify this Sabal. The seeds are super tiny even smaller than W. filifera. It is very cold hardy as the recent snow storm in Austin with temperatures down to the upper single digits did not have even the slightest hint of damage while most other sabal (except for minor) got significant foliar damage, the Mediterranean fan palms got defoliated and some were killed and even some Trachycarpus fortunei sustained damage. The pictures below were taken exactly one year apart, so you can see the growth rate. Nov 2020 Nov 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabal Steve Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) The leaf structure and coloration at the base of the petioles reminds me of S. Uresana. Edited March 14, 2021 by Sabal Steve Quote Zone 10a/10b Sunset Zone 24/23 http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/41707-a-case-study-in-north-park-san-diego/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimovi Posted March 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2021 Is uresana supposed to be that cold hardy? I can't find much info on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awkonradi Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 Unfortunately, I am not too wise. But, I think Sabal "Riverside" may have seeds like that. http://www.maderapalms.com/sabal-riverside-palm#:~:text=riverside fruit is smaller%2C and,mexicana. Quote Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California. Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted March 16, 2021 Report Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, awkonradi said: Unfortunately, I am not too wise. But, I think Sabal "Riverside" may have seeds like that. http://www.maderapalms.com/sabal-riverside-palm#:~:text=riverside fruit is smaller%2C and,mexicana. Interesting. I have seen conflicting info on 'Riverside' seed size. This site shows quite small seeds for 'Riverside', but seeds I've collected from the Sabal 'Riverside' at the Arboretum at Constitution Park in Deerfield Beach, FL and also from Sabals being sold in a nursery in Riverside, CA as Sabal 'Riverside' were both large and similar to the size of Sabal mexicana. @Jerry@TreeZoo might be able to confirm? Here is a photo of the 'Riverside' at the Tree Zoo I borrowed from Palmpedia. Quote Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry@TreeZoo Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Fusca said: Interesting. I have seen conflicting info on 'Riverside' seed size. This site shows quite small seeds for 'Riverside', but seeds I've collected from the Sabal 'Riverside' at the Arboretum at Constitution Park in Deerfield Beach, FL and also from Sabals being sold in a nursery in Riverside, CA as Sabal 'Riverside' were both large and similar to the size of Sabal mexicana. @Jerry@TreeZoo might be able to confirm? Here is a photo of the 'Riverside' at the Tree Zoo I borrowed from Palmpedia. Actually, the tree in the center of that photo has been identified as Sabal uresana. The "Riverside" is only half-way in the photo on the left. It does have larger seed if I remember correctly. 1 1 Quote So many species, so little time. Coconut Creek, Florida Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years) Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry@TreeZoo Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 1 Quote So many species, so little time. Coconut Creek, Florida Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years) Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry@TreeZoo Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 Abone you see the riverside on the left, the Uresana on the right and palmetto in the middle. 1 Quote So many species, so little time. Coconut Creek, Florida Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years) Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted March 17, 2021 Report Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Jerry@TreeZoo said: Actually, the tree in the center of that photo has been identified as Sabal uresana. The "Riverside" is only half-way in the photo on the left. It does have larger seed if I remember correctly. I do remember the 'Riverside' was misrepresented in the Palmpedia photo. I recall looking up the palm profile at the hotel shortly after visiting the garden and was surprised to see the same tree I had just collected seeds from (and taken a photo of) on Palmpedia! Quote Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry@TreeZoo Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 On 3/16/2021 at 10:28 PM, Fusca said: I do remember the 'Riverside' was misrepresented in the Palmpedia photo. I recall looking up the palm profile at the hotel shortly after visiting the garden and was surprised to see the same tree I had just collected seeds from (and taken a photo of) on Palmpedia! Hmmmm, "just collected seeds from". I don't recall giving anyone permission to collect seeds from it. JUST KIDDING! 1 2 Quote So many species, so little time. Coconut Creek, Florida Zone 10b (Zone 11 except for once evey 10 or 20 years) Last Freeze: 2011,50 Miles North of Fairchilds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyt Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Jerry@TreeZoo said: Hmmmm, "just collected seeds from". I don't recall giving anyone permission to collect seeds from it. JUST KIDDING! Ha! That was a good one Jerry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCanadaTropicals Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 That's an Urseana. Quote Nothing to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCanadaTropicals Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 3/14/2021 at 8:16 PM, Dimovi said: Is uresana supposed to be that cold hardy? I can't find much info on it. Yeah, some strains might even be hardier than Palmetto. Quote Nothing to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awkonradi Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) An old thread: Edited April 5, 2021 by awkonradi 1 Quote Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California. Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubaea_James760 Posted April 6, 2021 Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 Sabal Riverside fruit & seed. 1 1 Quote Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b Elevation; about 3600 ft. Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 6, 2021 Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 7 hours ago, awkonradi said: An old thread: That's mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awkonradi Posted April 6, 2021 Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 Hi Dimovi, would you be willing to post some new pictures of this palm? It would be cool to see some post-freeze pictures of it! 1 Quote Andrei W. Konradi, Burlingame, California. Vicarious appreciator of palms in other people's gardens and in habitat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimovi Posted April 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2021 8 hours ago, awkonradi said: Hi Dimovi, would you be willing to post some new pictures of this palm? It would be cool to see some post-freeze pictures of it! Here is what the palm looked like one week after the freeze. I could not see any visible damage of any kind. It is about a bock away from my house where I have two thermometers that registered 10F and under 7F respectively. The palm is not protected by anything. The thermometer with the lower reading is about 10 foot lower in elevation near a creek bed, so I assume the palm experienced temperatures around 8F or 9F. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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