Hey all,

This palm is growing at next door neighbor Terry's. He purchased it a few years ago as D. decipiens, which we ruled out pretty quickly. Then we thought about ambositrae, but it's different than the ones we are both growing. About a year or so ago, a friend who lives close by stopped by & said "Oh yeah, that's a palm that came in from Floribunda a few years back as onilihensis". Well okay. Anyway, have a look. It's a pretty fast grower, just beginning to trunk. It's got thinner leaflets than ambos do, & the leaves are developing a hard recurved look, like D. decaryi & the upright onilihensis do. So, however unlikely, it looks (at least superficially) like an ambo crossed with an onilihensis. It's probably not, but anyone else recognize it?

Hard to get pictures, there's a lot of background green..

Looks like one of the Ambositrae that has been sold. 

Bret, This looks similar to the one I have growing at the Vista garden that is trunking. It came in as Ambositrae.

a very nicely grown palm for sure

I have 4 in the ground and the tallest is 12' tall and all 4 look like your neighbors.

They were all JM plants

Lucky you Bret, its a great looking Dypsis for sure, Love the strong recurved leaves/fronds, how old would this be Bret and yours too Josh ?   Pete  

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

 

 

 

 

 

Pete, this has been in ground for almost 5 years. It was a 5 gallon plant when purchased, which would probably make it about 8-9years old. As Len & Josh have noted, it's probably "just" an ambo. But it's got a more erect upright look than the others I'm growing. Whatever the variety, they're beauties.

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6 hours ago, quaman58 said:

Pete, this has been in ground for almost 5 years. It was a 5 gallon plant when purchased, which would probably make it about 8-9years old. As Len & Josh have noted, it's probably "just" an ambo. But it's got a more erect upright look than the others I'm growing. Whatever the variety, they're beauties.

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Thanks Bret, ,I ordered seed last week which is already on its way since its "new" @ RPS,, yours is as you said above may well be coz  its in a 'Primo" postion ?

When you write" they're beauties" , have you a few inground ?   Pete  

I do Pete, a total of 4 between neighbor Terry & myself. (I'm fortunate enough to have a next door neighbor with the same palm disease I have). This one is the largest & the fastest however. I have one next to the walkway that has decided to split as well. We'll see how that goes; it was already a bit of a push space-wise in that area. :)

Very nice!  I've planted quite a few Ambos here at my place and some have this recurved leaf look.  the leaflets are a bit thicker on those as well.  One of my favorite palms, and one of the best for Southern California, which the photos above really prove. 

11 hours ago, quaman58 said:

I do Pete, a total of 4 between neighbor Terry & myself. (I'm fortunate enough to have a next door neighbor with the same palm disease I have). This one is the largest & the fastest however. I have one next to the walkway that has decided to split as well. We'll see how that goes; it was already a bit of a push space-wise in that area. :)

I know of where your ambo could find a good home if that ever happened!

Another view of this palm...

Bump... 

Bret - does your neighbor still have this palm?  Would love to see an updated photo or two! 

Jason, he does & it's grown a lot. I get one tonight when I get home. It's gotta be close to flowering..

This is the stiff leaf Ambositrae at my friend’s house:

6 hours ago, joe_OC said:

This is the stiff leaf Ambositrae at my friend’s house:

 

Wow, nice!  Thanks for posting that Joe.  

6 hours ago, quaman58 said:

Jason, he does & it's grown a lot. I get one tonight when I get home. It's gotta be close to flowering..

Sweet, looking forward to it.  I'm very curious to see if these will produce viable seed once they start flowering.  That way we would have a better idea if they were some sort of hybrids or just a variation of Ambositrae.  

On 7/10/2016 at 7:51 AM, quaman58 said:

Hey all,

This palm is growing at next door neighbor Terry's. He purchased it a few years ago as D. decipiens, which we ruled out pretty quickly. Then we thought about ambositrae, but it's different than the ones we are both growing. About a year or so ago, a friend who lives close by stopped by & said "Oh yeah, that's a palm that came in from Floribunda a few years back as onilihensis". Well okay. Anyway, have a look. It's a pretty fast grower, just beginning to trunk. It's got thinner leaflets than ambos do, & the leaves are developing a hard recurved look, like D. decaryi & the upright onilihensis do. So, however unlikely, it looks (at least superficially) like an ambo crossed with an onilihensis. It's probably not, but anyone else recognize it?

Bret,

I got two palms that I called Dypsis ambo x decipiens because they have traits of both of those palms.  Jason turned me on to the name stiff leaf ambositrae.  When I was at Floribunda, I saw a similar suckering palm.  Jeff Marcus called it a form of decipiens that was more petite and suckered more than a normal decipiens.   That's what I think my friend's palm is.

 

 

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by joe_OC

Great info Joe and Jason! Here’s terry’s...

One of the prettiest palms around.. Gotta get me one.

Great pictures Bret!  Thanks for posting them. Looking really nice!

I recently saw this palm in the ground at Floribunda and I believe it to be this stiff leaf Ambositrae. This is not the palm that Joe is referring to above, that one has 4-5 trunks. I will try to post a photo of that one tomorrow when I’m at my computer. 

Ah...I missed seeing this palm.

10 hours ago, Hilo Jason said:

I recently saw this palm in the ground at Floribunda and I believe it to be this stiff leaf Ambositrae. This is not the palm that Joe is referring to above, that one has 4-5 trunks. I will try to post a photo of that one tomorrow when I’m at my computer. 

That palm has a lot more fuzz than what I remembered on my friend’s.  Will have to visit and focus on that.

29 minutes ago, joe_OC said:

That palm has a lot more fuzz than what I remembered on my friend’s.  Will have to visit and focus on that.

Could be due to the climate of Hawaii compared to So Cal.  This one is also growing in shade.  Or could also just be different variations within these. 

20 hours ago, joe_OC said:

Bret,

I got two palms that I called Dypsis ambo x decipiens because they have traits of both of those palms.  Jason turned me on to the name stiff leaf ambositrae.  When I was at Floribunda, I saw a similar suckering palm.  Jeff Marcus called it a form of decipiens that was more petite and suckered more than a normal decipiens.   That's what I think my friend's palm is.

 

 

Joe - is this the palm at Floribunda that you are referring to?  It does definitely look like something right in the middle of Ambositrae and Decipiens.  I believe that these "stiff leaf Ambos" will eventually turn into something like this.  I had one in my California garden (now in another California garden) that was suckering quite a bit and could be a 4-5 trunk version like this one day. 

Sorry the picture isn't the best, it was so bright out there when I took it:

I did find this other picture as well where you can see it behind and to the right of the Marojeji that is in the forefront. 

 

Yup...That's the clump!

 

Dypsis malcomberi x ?

Geez Bill, that's beautiful.

Looking good Bill.  And that's palms sibling is happy in my garden.  

I have another Malcomberi Hybrid that just started splitting as well.  Much smaller than these.  Makes me wonder what it's crossed with, but the splitting should tell us.  Gotta check it out next time I'm at Floribunda.  Seems like these like to split like Sp Bef do.  But I'm not sure if there's a Sp Bef near where these Malcomberi seeds came from.  I'll investigate! 

1 hour ago, Hilo Jason said:

Looking good Bill.  And that's palms sibling is happy in my garden.  

I have another Malcomberi Hybrid that just started splitting as well.  Much smaller than these.  Makes me wonder what it's crossed with, but the splitting should tell us.  Gotta check it out next time I'm at Floribunda.  Seems like these like to split like Sp Bef do.  But I'm not sure if there's a Sp Bef near where these Malcomberi seeds came from.  I'll investigate! 

Nice Hybrid!

Really hoping the Malcomberi crosses I got from Marcus turn out like Jason and Bills. Very pretty palms. Look like Pembana type here small but appear to turn into something different as it ages. 

1 hour ago, LJG said:

Really hoping the Malcomberi crosses I got from Marcus turn out like Jason and Bills. Very pretty palms. Look like Pembana type here small but appear to turn into something different as it ages. 

Len, I got two a few years ago that have done absolutely nothing but are somehow still alive. I take it yours don’t have this problem?

1 hour ago, Matt in OC said:

Len, I got two a few years ago that have done absolutely nothing but are somehow still alive. I take it yours don’t have this problem?

No, both in ground. They were fast in greenhouse but have slowed considerably outside in soil.

7 hours ago, LJG said:

They were fast in greenhouse but have slowed considerably outside in soil.

I got this in 2017 as a Dypsis malcomberi hybrid.  It too was Jeff Marcus sourced but grown in Josh's greenhouse to the size in the photo.  It seemed to carry over momentum from the greenhouse when I got it and put it into the ground but this last year the latest spear has barely moved.  Add to that a trauma from a neighbor's king palm frond coming down and hitting one of the few leaves it was holding and I'm not sure if it will ever come out of it's stagnation.  So I'm curious how slow yours and Matt's have been in the ground?   How many new leaves per year?  2019 is zero for me as we end the 8th month and I can't remember when the last opened in 2018.  By the way I like Bill Austin's and Jason's examples!

Tracy, both appear to b at two leaves a year for me. Each has a long spear maybe a few weeks from opening right now which will be #2. I got these as 4in and got like 4 leaves in greenhouse. 

On 8/30/2019 at 2:29 PM, Hilo Jason said:

Looking good Bill.  And that's palms sibling is happy in my garden.  

I have another Malcomberi Hybrid that just started splitting as well.  Much smaller than these.  Makes me wonder what it's crossed with, but the splitting should tell us.  Gotta check it out next time I'm at Floribunda.  Seems like these like to split like Sp Bef do.  But I'm not sure if there's a Sp Bef near where these Malcomberi seeds came from.  I'll investigate! 

Thanks Jason, would be interesting to know what daddy is in the parentage. I have managed to get some in 15 gallons this past year. extremely fast in the green house but slow outside