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Found some old seeds...are any of them any good after 8 years?

Bigfish

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So I was cleaning up around the house (!) and came across a large box full of old seeds that for whatever reason I never got around to doing anything with.  If there's no hope for them, I'll just toss them out, but if there's a chance, I want to go ahead and sow them.  Here's a partial list of what I've got.  Most are from 2007-2008, and none are from later than 2010.

 

Rhapis subtilis 

Rhapis mutifida 

Rhapis gracilis 

Chamaedorea microspadix 

C. radicalis 

Chamaerops humilis 

Sabal minor and variants

Washingtonia filifera (I've heard this is worth trying)

Rhapidophyllum hystrix 

Roystonea

Archontophoenix 

Arenga micrantha 

Brahea armata 

Butia archeri 

Nannorrhops ritchiana (Kashmir)

Phoenix reclinata 

Trachycarpus takil 

Livistona nitida 

Trithrinax schizophylla

T. campestris 

 

I'm just gonna stop there, as I'm getting a bit depressed thinking I may be looking at a pile of garbage that I spent many hundreds of dollars on last decade!  I might just soak them all in Nitrozyme and sow them anyway.

 

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Josh-O Grand Master

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I would give them a shot before you toss them.

You never know?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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16 minutes ago, smithgn said:

Was the area where they were kept relatively dry? If so, I'd bet my money that some or most of them germinate. Check this story out: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150324-ancient-methuselah-date-palm-sprout-science/

 

Again, this seed was stored in a mostly cool and dry place. I say give it a shot!

I've seen that great story many times!  It does give me hope for my P. reclinata anyway, lol.  Yes, the seeds have been kept dry and at room temperature for the past 8-10 years.  This will give me an excuse to use my Nitrozyme, which I bought sometime last decade and have never opened.  Maybe I'll put a few drops of Superthrive in there too.  I'm not too concerned about the Archontophoenix and Roystonea, but it would be nice to get a few of those Rhapis, Nannorrhops, B. archeri, and Trithrinax to sprout.

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Yeah, it's a deservedly pretty popular story. And exactly my thoughts, if anything, the reclinata has a good choice to sprout after a measly 8 or 10 years! lol Good luck with it, I mean you have nothing to lose by sewing them. I couldn't tell you what might have a better rate of success or not, other than of course the reclinata.

Brad Mondel Grand Master

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Why not crack open a few to check for a viable embryo? Better than sowing a bunch of seed and waiting forever.  

Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC.

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2 hours ago, Brad Mondel said:

Why not crack open a few to check for a viable embryo? Better than sowing a bunch of seed and waiting forever.  

Well, there's only a few seeds for some of them.  The lots I have over 100 I could do that with, but when there's only 10 or so, rather just sow them all.

 

I'm kinda hopeful with the Nannorrhops seeds.  Found a bunch of 'Iran Silver' in addition to 'Kashmir'.  Being from an arid environment, that gives me some hope.

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Plant them.

You have nothing to lose.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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12 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

Plant them.

You have nothing to lose.

Yep, already decided to convert the spare room into a germination/grow room once again.  I say "once again" because in the past, I used to have seeds and plants going everywhere in the house...then I had some events happen in my life and more or less abandoned my plant hobby for many years.  I found the fire again a little over a year ago, and it keeps getting fed more and more.  Nothing like seeing a new life start to get your spirits up!

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If you want some nice, fresh Archontophoenix tuckeri seed, shoot me a PM with your address, and I'll mail some for free. Might as well keep on rolling with the flow, as Charlie Rich sang . . . .

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Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

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On 1/5/2016, 6:36:16, smithgn said:

Was the area where they were kept relatively dry? If so, I'd bet my money that some or most of them germinate. Check this story out: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/150324-ancient-methuselah-date-palm-sprout-science/

 

Again, this seed was stored in a mostly cool and dry place. I say give it a shot!

I was just about to quote that story when I saw the title hahaha.

Brevard County, Fl

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Bigfish

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1 hour ago, DoomsDave said:

If you want some nice, fresh Archontophoenix tuckeri seed, shoot me a PM with your address, and I'll mail some for free. Might as well keep on rolling with the flow, as Charlie Rich sang . . . .

Thanks!  I don't even know how or why I have any Archontophoenix seeds to begin with...

 

Actually, yes I do.  I used to run the seed bank for the Southeastern Palm Society and they were leftovers that nobody wanted.  Probably why I have Roystonea too.

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5 hours ago, Jimbean said:

I was just about to quote that story when I saw the title hahaha.

Haha yeah. I'm not sure who I got it from, but I know it was off of this forum.

chayote Enthusiast

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recaltrient seeds like archontopheonix etc no hope
Orthodox seeds like butia,brehea etc, there are hope

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17 hours ago, chayote said:

recaltrient seeds like archontopheonix etc no hope
Orthodox seeds like butia,brehea etc, there are hope

It would be nice if there was an easily accessible database of which seeds were recalcitrant and which were orthodox.

chayote Enthusiast

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According to PACSOWA president ,he said palms from dessert,dryland, grueling environment (Extremely cold/hot and dry, like phoenix dactylifera), they tend to have orthodox seeds

Palms from humid, tropical region have recalcitrant seeds (Eg Cyrtostachys, Calamus etc) ,short life span

Some show intermediate (both orthodox and recaltriant properties) like elaise guineensis (african oil palm)

Here is one example
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717274_Storage_of_recalcitrant_seeds_A_case_study_of_the_Chinese_fan_palm_Livistona_chinensis

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