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Hello Everyone, Thank you for some of the positive messages, i am thankful for all of them. My name is Joao Santos Costa, i am from Portugal and i am the new responsible for the management and administration of Palmpedia and connected resources. Palmpedia as been over the years a fundamental and unavoidable tool, an endless source of information to the palm growing hobby. I am forever thankful to Dean, Ed Vaile, and all people who have contributed immensely to the creation of this incredible resource. My path with palms started more than ten years ago, when i wanted to create a big garden around my former residence in Lisbon, and wanted to have some privacy from all the neighbours, together with the perpetual feeling of evasion and "vacations feeling" every-time i would step home. Likewise many of you the inicial humble idea of planting a few palms turned out to be an incurable addiction, that month after month started to influence where we would spend the weekends, to where we would go for vacations. From a nice garden the things escalated quickly and i ended up with a full size jungle with dozens of mature specimens, I got hooked. I loved every bit of the new lifestyle, this garden could provide, so did my children and my wife. From late night barbecues, to tiki jacuzzi parties, to bird watching with my toddler, was a fantastic experience that forever change my mindset on the "art of living". Professionally, i have responsibilities in a group of companies with ranging activities from managing real estate portfolios, to construction and hospitality businesses. Few years ago, i started the acquisition of multiple agricultural investments and have turned my hobby into a full size business operation. Currently we have 3 state of the art productions facilities, manufactured entirely in double glaze polycarbonate, biomass heating, evaporative cooling, and full climate control, where we are fully devoted to the germination of palm trees. We are also establishing plantations in Sao Tome and Principe, and Mauritius for the more tropical varieties. As of today we hold several tens of thousands of 2-3 year old palm seedlings of around 237 varieties and growing. I am focused in creating top quality plants. Our aim is to introduce recently discovered or unusual palms in the ornamental market, after all i guess we are all tired of finding the same options for sale in the conventional garden center! I have quite ambitious plan for the new Palmpedia, and i hope to have you all along for the journey, but i also understand that i will not be able to be a very consensual and accommodate everyone requests, but i will try! In what concerns the future of Palmpedia, our plan is to keep the entire structure in the wiki platform like was originally intended and allow edition, inputs, and submission of pictures and content. We are currently working in the log in and users platform to allow people to sign in and edit the content of the pages, i believe in the next few days will be operational. Also i understand that there are several scientific revisions that need update, and we are currently compiling with the help of fellow forum members the list of updates needed to perform. So if you have a suggestion or topic requiring update we are thankful to receive them by email to info@palmpedia.com. Palmpedia will remain a free and open "go to place" for palm information, independently where you are in the globe. Regarding our plans on the comercial front. We are currently testing the new online marketplace, that will be made available on the website. This will be a multi vendor online shop, (much like amazon) and will allow verified nurseries, brands, individual growers, and hobbyists to sell their palms, and their seedlings. With a very simple and user friendly platform will allow every nursery to have equitable online exposition and a simplified online sales spot. If you know a nursery let them know that we are working in order they can soon list their palms and exotics stock in the world leading marketplace we are creating. I strongly believe in this model because because is the only way to provide a truly global service without the limitations of phytosanitary regulations. In other words, depending on the place you are and will access the online shop, the assortment you see available to purchase is within your geographic range to be delivered without need of phytosanitary certificate. I am always available at info@palmpedia.com I hope to have all of you along, Best Regards, Joao

Chamaedorea Seifrizii

Afternoon glow of the bromeliads also caught my eye Looking forward to Spring…

Surprise find in Baton Rouge. Mature Sabal mexicana planting behind Parrain's Seafood Restaurant.

Ill start with the non-palms For warning I wass out of town so nothing was protected. This elephant ear kicked it as expected Gwbop is toast, good thing they're cheap. Meyer lemon is still out, no new growth Persian lime is doing great Ok now palms, The spear pulled on the queen, golfball for size. Pygmy dates are done for. The only hope was a little bit of green robusta #1 did ok, i just marked it. Robusta 2 is dead Livistona is ok too so are her nieces and nephews

Wood mulch is discouraged in settings that are easily ignited from careless smokers discarded cigarette butts. I've bee using aggregate & lava rock as a mulch, no so much for that reason, but I just prefer it despite the higher cost.

Burretiokentia koghiensis and Cyphophoenix elegans (in the background) opening up new fronds after one of the wettest winters we’ve seen in forever and a couple nights with temps into the high 30’s.

I hate to say it but while Taylor forms evidently are incredibly hardy with large specimens growing in Raleigh for decades , they didn't handle my 6F very well . I have 3 Taylor Forms and they all look like the palm on the left . The palm on the right is a stiffer fronded form that looks much better . Wow , what a difference ! Will My Nainital did OK . Trachycarpus princeps ( green form ) had some issues . I don't know if it can handle 6F with damage or the microclimate is really good , but it has green spears and should do well in the spring . The more exposed fronds took a lot of damage whereas the lower fronds near the house are perfect . What a difference a microclimate makes .

Thought I'd share a few pics of my indoor 7a winterizing palms. I raise mainly Trachycarpus and the colder hardy Sabal minors and have probably 50 pots in my greenhouse and that many inside. Here is a few if my lesser cold hardy palms. Just a few phoenix from seed, my butia pindo, a couple Trachycarpus, Bald Head Island Palmetto, a container of Sabal Louisiana, Bismarckia Nobilis, and W. Robusta, s. Blackburniana. I had the Blackburniana in my greenhouse but when we had the big Christmas freeze, I brought them inside. I paid a little bit for those. Sorry looks like some came in upside down.

I don't see many of these around nor many posts. This is one of my favorites and today it definitely caught my eye. Total eye candy for me. Post them it you got them. I always enjoy photos of others well grown palms. Cheers Tin

Looks great! Here's mine

If you are curious, try to see if it grows back. But I agree with @mnorell that this palm had pre-existing problems. It looks stunted and neglected. How long have you kept it in that pot? How often do you water/feed it (majesties are water/fertilizer hogs)? And they make lousy potted plants in the long run. They are also plentiful and cheap. That said, you may want to invest in a newer, healthier palm. Majesties are at their best looking before they trunk.

Looks like you already had a serious problem with this palm (the dark grey dry-wood and rust-colored areas). The snap-off area is only the zone that is white in color, about half of the surface area. I would pour some peroxide over that ruddy area and also make sure there isn't something actively affecting the health of the plant. Otherwise your apical meristem does look to be intact and it should regrow (though you will always see damage there). But is there a way you can put that palm into the ground? It looks desperately in need. Ravenea are river-dwellers and want lots of water and fertilizer...also remember that the root-initiation-zone of palms (at the base of the trunk) in California needs to be continuously covered by soil. Since it is the area where palms grow new roots, the dry atmosphere will stop them from forming, most likely leaving you with a very unstable and unhealthy palm over time.

A parting site at the Kona Airport. I noticed the unusual curvature of the leaves first then as I got closer I could see it has a leaning crown. Reminded me of the common Howea forsteriana leaning crown syndrome. In that I have not seen this occur with Pritchardia before, I thought it worth asking if this is often seen here and what the cause is? Adjacent one looks fine, showing the underside with fruit of the healthy specimen. A side note, I didn't take photos of the entryway of a resort north of Kona that we drove in to visit the beach. It was pretty sad to see the drive lined with Washingtonia robusta and coconuts at the terminus ends of the long road entrance. Why an invasive when they could have used so many different Pritchardia instead. On the coconuts, I will parrot what Jeff Marcus commented when showing his Beccariophoenix alfredii, madagascarensis, and fenestralis, they give the look while eliminating the need to continually neuter the plants to avoid dropping coconut on human syndrome. Ahhh but that requires thinking out of the 📦.

Rocks are mulch. There is organic mulching like wood chips and there is mineral mulching like gravel and such. From my experience young palms don't like rocky mulch as much as bigger ones do. I guess that's because before they've established some strong trunk it restricts their ability to do so at least a bit. Also it really looks like palms that come from rocky habitats can handle rocks even at a young age better than other palms. I have a Lava based bed where I grow mostly Californian/Mexican plants. Lava is a regional natural resource here and readily available because of it. It's radiating heat at night because of it's dark colour and it's quite porous which still provides good air exchange. Sabal uresana seems to be a palm that likes this kind of mulching already at a young age:

No split leaf here but my metallicas are happy growing here, (Loxahatchee Groves, Florida) planted outside, and producing a few seeds..

Jan 2023 update. Haven't protected this winter..

Rocks for thermal mass

I really appreciate these reply posts suggestions and input. It will take me some time to digest all you shared. I hope I can source a few of the important tall and shade varieties as larger crated or barefoot but I haven't investigated what nurseries exist in the Peloponnesian area. It would be interesting if I could bring several bare root Rhapidophyllum histrix pups from here, likely they would do well there. Someone mentioned baby palms.eu as a source for mail order palms/seedlings who are in Spain. I enquired of them and they seems to feel shipping to me would not be a problem, and as an estimate a 30 kilo box holding several plants would cost about 150 Euros. Hopefully I can find things closer to Katakolo and for now I'm just in the planning stage and one house and it's concrete fence walls removed before I can plant any specimens. Also, I really should have installed new fence walls on three sides leaving one end open for construction of a home that approval to build may take a year or more to have approved. Anyway, it nice that palm and tropicals folks are nice there in Europe just as they are here. I really appreciate you folks posting with palm talk!

You would be quite spot on, were there not those darned imported pests. Truth is that the planned garden will be located in south western coastal mainland, which is blessed with a very subtropical climate, moister climate, less heat in summer, less cold in winter, relatively high max temps almost every day during winter and considerably less northern wind. An entirely different world from the eastern coast in same latitude. All this because the highest montane massive does not run across the country from east to the west but rather from north to south. Therefore I am bound to recommend only crownshafted palms, which are less susceptible to an atrack by rpw and Paysandisia, plus some non crownshafted spp which have proven hardy to those pests, such as Arenga and Caryota, and plenty of (sub)tropical fruiting trees. Unless one desires to inhale almost year around pesticides, because biological treatment for extensive palm collections is outrageously expensive, difficult and during summer not entirely effective.

Here in the west of Australia it’s often the opposite of the east coast. It’s not quite as simple as that, but a La Niña event in the east brings dry to the west. An El Niño in the east will likely bring wet to the west, especially if we have a favourable Indian Ocean dipole and the Southern Annular Mode lines up right. So right now in the west it’s as dry as a chip, but I’m not complaining as my irrigation works well. We did have extreme cold last winter that most likely was a record for maybe 50 years. So far summer has been mild with no heatwaves like last year. I think summer record heat can transform into winter record cold. I’m hoping we have a mild average non eventful winter this time round. In regards to the Auckland flooding, I hope it calms down over there soon and people can start the recovery process.

I’m calling it, winter is over!

Phoenix looks more like dactylifera or a tall sylvestris. The seedlings are obviously palmate so more likely Sabal.

The seedlings appear to be Sabal and the Phoenix does not look like a CIDP.

Looks like some kind of Chamaedorea of some sort... I think.

Speaking from my former sugar cane lot on the rainy windward side of the Big Island, my clayey volcanic soil is pretty acid and, yes, I have had many instances of boron deficiency over the 10-14 years I have been growing palms here. Other local palmers in residential districts have also. I use nutricote and a pinch of boron crystals in those cases. Most recover after a while, even some that don't get treated. In my case (former sugar cane land), I hypothesize that the sugar cane used up many of the desired nutrients during the plantation era.

You have quite a good microclimate being on a peninsula. I agree that you should plant the palms and trees you intend to use as canopy first. Since you have sandy soil it might be worth adding in loads of mulch and over the years you can add more and more to improve the soil. I would add royal palms as a large trunking stand out palm, queen palms also grow pretty fast and have a good sized canopy. You could add in phoenix canariensis and Washingtonia robusta and filifera but they are probably already very common in the area. I would go for phoenix dactylifera (the true date palm), phoenix theophrasti, phoenix rupicola, phoenix Sylvesteris, phoenix reclinata, phoenix roebelenii and phoenix loureiroi. Bismarckia would also made a nice stand out palm.Chrysalidocarpus decaryi, ambositrae, baronii, onilahensis should be fine there. Some of the arenga palms will probably do well there. For understory palms I'd use the chamedorea genus.Cryosophila warscewiczii, chambeyronia macrocarpa, chambeyronia oliviformis, Chambeyronia lepidota and Wallichia as some nice rarer palms. I'd also go with the whole archontophoenix genus, some big archontophoenix Alexandrae in full sun and under a light canopy archontophoenix cunninghamiana, myolensis, purperea, Maxima and tuckeri. When the canopy has really grown in you might be able to grow Rhopalostylis sapida and Rhopalostylis baueri in lots of shade. Livistona should do pretty well there too and sabals.Acoelorraphe wrigthii and Allagoptera I think will be fine. Howea belmoreana and howea forsteriana need to be in the shade I'd also put those under denser pat's of the canopy. If you want a coconut look a like since Cocos nucifera won't grow there try Beccariophoenix alfredii or Jubaeopsis caffra. Since you have sandy soil I'd try and take advantage of that and have a large arid section with dessert plants such as aloes, cacti agaves, yuccas and arid shrubs. I would then have a Mediterranean area full of Mediterranean plants lots of flowers ect and maybe a few palms too. Finally for the largest section I'd have a full sun tropical biome area full of palms and exotics and then a shaded section at the back with the same things but can't handle full sun such as bromeliads, monstera deliciosa, colocasias, caladiums, chamedorea ect. Trees such as eucalyptus, jacaranda mimosifolia, Delonix regia and Araucaria heterophylla would do well there. The arid and Mediterranean sections would reduce watering so you can make sure the ones in the tropical style section get plenty of water. Bougainvillea is also something I'd recommend growing there. Of course there's plenty more things you could do but those are just a few ideas. @Phoenikakiasprobably knows more about what palms and plants would do well in you're climate.

Yea it's unreal, might as well be two different species. The foliage maintains that stiffer feel you'd expect with having pindo mixed in but the leaflet characteristics are very much queen. Here's a couple pics of it from this summer when it was more pleasant to look at

Both of these should come back - give them some time. I had both recover unprotected in February 2021 from 9°F. Phoenix roebelenii also might come back - I had a neighbor who had one out of a triple like yours come back from 9°F but it didn't show any life until June or July 2021. If your lemon was seed-grown it might recover although chances are less in a container. If it's grafted you'll probably get new growth from the root stock if anything. Just treat them as if alive for a few more months until you know for sure.

Definitely in sun - they don't like shade. If it's been in shade for a long time it might be best to give it a few hours of sun at first and slowly increase the sun exposure. Ultimately full sun is best.

Wow sorry hear that. Not sure, perhaps someone more knowledgeable can chime in. It does look like it may recover if that is a growth point. I’m surprised if there was that much force that the planter didn’t fall over vs the tree snapping in half like that. I think the concern would be we aren’t in the clear with the winds until probably late March. So have a plan to bring it inside if the winds return.

From my own experience T. princeps and T. takil seem to be quite good with their drought tolerance. Especially T. princeps. I have mine planted on slopes in full sun and they don't show any stress signs even without irrigation. T. fortuneis seem to dislike drought a lot.

Same here. But I played risky because I already guessed that it's not going to happen. We had a forecast of -2°C for the night. The lowest turned out to be +2°C even at the weather station. I doubted the forecast right away because it was all cloudy and on the radar it didn't make much sense that it would cool down randomly.

On the sunny days we do get in the winter, the rocks will absorb the solar radiation from the sun. The effect won’t be nearly as profound as in the summer, but it still works. Darker rocks obviously work better for this. Half my garden is rock mulch and the other half is wood mulch. I use the rocks for my heat-loving palms and trees and it seems to work well for me.

Wow. Real sad there have been fatalities. This sort of thing looks similar to the east coast Australia floods. This has been a La Niña for the record books.

Everything can be grown in Hawaii, just go up or down the volcano...dry side or wet side. There's a thread somewhere here with Hedyscepe, Pigafetta, and Cyrtostachys renda growing together in Kona near the coffee belt. There's a pic of Hawaiian Brahea and Jubaea somewhere too

Lots of damage, a handful of fatalities. Some urban stations at near sea level got nearly 300mm.

@Hortulanus @SeanK North America seems to have more unstable winters, especially the East coast, which can be risky for exotics fans in zones 8. In Europe, especially Western Europe the winters seem to be consistently getting weaker and summers are becoming noticably drier in a stable trend. 2018 and 2022 were the driest summers I ever experienced here and that's likely not a fluke. Frisians have been complaining for many year now that their precious eleven-cities skating tradition (this) will never come back. 🥲😄

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-10f Rio Rancho NM 2011 Unprotected Total defoliation

Not as fast growing as you might think,without hot and humid conditions. I am sprouting a few Carpentaria seeds myself now, and have included a picture of a 3 year old plant from a previous batch. In 3 years grown inside,your plant will probably be less than half a meter tall. aztropic Mesa, Arizona

Finding someone that I could take it to that has tall enough ceilings and agrees to take care of it in the winter would be the best case scenario. I was just trying to see what other options there are in case that option is not available.

I've grown thousands of these from seed and would estimate that eventually 2 - 3 percent, at most, turned out to have divided fronds.

Eastern Water Dragons... The last three places I've lived in had these...they like to be close to creeks and waterways...I was surprised to see them at my current place as the nearest creek is a couple of hundred metres away and is basically a concrete channel... First photo was from a few years ago, but I love the look of how prehistoric they look! The second photo was taken at the Botanical Gardens, thought it was funny that it was resting on a massive concrete one..LOL

I have 4 "Nova", planted in sites from nearly full sun to heavy shade. The largest are now maybe 5ft overall height and starting to trunk. They definitely seem to grow faster than a standard fortunei at the smaller sizes before they are trunking. Seedling "Nova" got bigger and went vertical faster than a typical windmill. I have seed grown fortunei that are at least twice as old as the "Nova" that are about the same size. For me, a standard windmill puts on height pretty fast once they start going vertical. So, I'm not sure the "Nova" will continue to outpace them. TBD Nova seem to like more sun than a fortunei? They seem to stay very green with longer petioles in full sun, while my standard windmill seems to get a bit ratty and more compact in full sun. Also the shade planted "Nova" is pretty slow. They seem to want/need more sun? I can't really seem to see any major significant differences in general appearance between my Novas and the variations seen among standard windmills in my yard. Maybe this will become apparent once they are older and have a trunk? I'm in Z8a, so not really testing the limits of hardiness. Nova and fortunei both spear pulled and fully recovered when small at temps below 20f. This seems to stop once they start going vertical.

That (2007) was the last time we went below freezing here in my Bay Area location. We had a low of 27°F. Just superficial bronzing on the more tender stuff. Lots of my palms are under canopy so even small Licuala we’re unscathed. Completely exposed palms like Pygmy Dates remained mostly green with some bronzing on their horizontal fronds. I remember the water in the cups of all my bromeliads (mostly Neoregelia) being frozen but even they escaped damage. That was when I decided to eventually make them a dominant plant type in the garden. They are tougher than I previously thought.

Was that 17 years ago? Man I'm getting old. I think that was the year that RLR passed too. 2006 was a sad time for the palm forum.

Update from this week. This palm's gravitas doesn't transfer to photos...

I will, for now I am going to let it rest for a while to try to reduce the impact and meanwhile I am throwing some water with fertilizer on it. It is showing some color right now.

My first batch of Floribunda palms (40) came in 4 years ago and they all had moss on them. I didn't know any better and I left them on. None of those have died. I have 60% sand and 40% silt. It drains around 1.5" an hour i water once a week. I have some other plants that are not planted but they do dry out fast (staghorns) I've never had a problem with it to my knowledge. If the person you bought it from uses peat in their mix and everyone else has had success- not to mention that person keeping things alive and thriving in pots which is much harder to do then in the ground then its not "due to the nursary using peat in their mix". When I went through horticulture school our teacher said mulch is the answer to just about everything. I have planted many palms by setting a 3-5 gal plant on top of a drip tube ( no hole dug ) and pushing mulch around it. The mulch never gets irrigated water and the palms always thrive- despite it only getting watered from the bottom. The top and sides are always dry in the summer ( no rain ). Like Matty said, once the palms roots get beyond the pot size and into the native soil then it should be better. Do you amend your soil? If I had sand that drained too fast I would dig the biggest hold I could and amend with compost and mulch to hold the moisture in and then top it with at least 4" of mulch. If you have stuff rotting out and have such fast draining soil maybe its that specific plant or that your watering too much in the winter. I have chambyronias on the north side of my place that will hold water for days without draining (totally submerged) and they haven't rotted out. I'm just brainstorming, I know peat moss sucks for some applications but if cared for properly, stuff shouldn't die because of it