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A photo I took a couple of days ago at my Moms house, New Smyrna Beach, Island of Venezia. Anyone have any recomendations? I plan to germinate these, and the others as well, Ed

I've heard the same thing and it makes sense. All that cutting has to weaken the structure of the palm - after all, that kind of butchery doesn't occur in the wild unless a palm is already dying. And such cuts leave almost no fronds for the poor thing to photosynthesize and feed itself. Since these CIDPs are in LA maybe everyone figures: "no hurricanes, no problems". Serves this guy right if all these wretched palms die & he has to replace them for big bucks.

In monastery in Dubrovnik within city walls.

Never, ever use beach sand Don. Use coarse builders sand.

Oh no, close this thread before Kris sees it, he will freak out!

That is absolutely pathetic ! obviously unskilled labour or a cheap property owner "trim off a wee bit more fellas so you don't have to trim again until next decade !

worse than anyone could imagine . . .

Dear Kj Fentastic visuals of fairly mature specimens...and i bow to the Emperor of the phoenix clang ! And i have doubts wheather my CIDP here in south india would grow so beauitful in our hot wet humid tropical zone. Kris.

Was that variable or venerable?

They certainly did cause a sensation when they first started and when they first entered service in 1952. Keep in mind the two main U.S. manufacturers at the time, Douglas and Lockheed were busy building fourengined piston engined airliners (DC-6s and Constellations), which were great aircraft, but from a technology point of view they weren't even remotely close to De Havilland's Comet. Boeing, at the time, had only built a relatively small number of their Stratocruiser, but of course ended up using their military KC-135 and developed the Boeing 707 from that design. And when the jet age "really" began it was the Soviets that were the first, with their Tupolev Tu-104. Ahead of both the De Havilland Comet 4 and the Boeing 707. The initial Comet 1 "experiment" only lasted for a relatively short time and was then interrupted for several years, so that really can't be considered as the true beginning of the jet age. And interestingly, the Comet 1 was a very small aircraft. I believe it had 37 seats and BOAC used it on longhaul routes (like UK-Australia). Today a 37 seat jet is of course an extremely small regional jet that would typically be flying very short routes like Dallas-Amarillo or Manchester-Brussels!

Thanks very much and it seems till you post those CIDP visuals ! iam not going to have sound sleep...:drool:So go ahead and click...iam sure its going to be a feast for all true CIDP lovers. Lots of love to you, kris Dear Kris, I am sorry for the delay in posting photos. I have been a bit busy since getting back last Wednesday, but I have finally found the time to offload the photos and now I am going to post some for you! Please excuse the quality (or lack there of) of some of these photos as the camera on the iPhone is not the best camera in the world. The first 2 photos below were taken at the Gizella Kopsic Palm Arboretum in Downtown St. Petersburg, FL, in North Shore Park. The remaining photos in this post (after the first two) were all taken at the Florida Botanical Garden, Pinellas County in Laro, FL. I hope you, and everyone else enjoy the photos! I will try my best to include some descriptions on where each photo was taken. Love back to you! KJ

The Orto Botanico di Padova is the world's oldest academic botanical garden that is still in its original location since 1545.the oldest plant is a Chamaerops planted in 1585 called the "Goethe palm", because the poet referred to it in his essay "The Metamorphoses of Plants"; this tree is now situated under a greenhouse because in the past the plant sufferd from very cold winters, Padona is in northern Italy at 45° N ciao

Dave, First of all, I don't see any rules potentially being broken here, so that's not an issue. Secondly, this is not an easy 'yes' or 'no' situation. I'll try to do a quick summary of what happened: There were two basic models; Comet 1 and 2 (very similar) and Comet 4. The first one, obviously was the Comet 1. First one was delivered to BOAC (British Overseas Airways Corporation - today's British Airways)in April 1952. There were a couple of minor accidents in its very early career that had nothing to do with the structural integrity of the airframe. For instance one crashed taking off from Rome, another stalled on take off from Karachi with 11 killed, but what really grounded the Comet 1 were two more or less identical accidents; both were BOAC Comets and both crashed into the Mediterranean with all killed. The first one on 10 Jan 1954 and the second one on 8 April 1954. The second one caused all Comet 1s to be removed from passenger service. Some continued to be flown for testing. Interestingly, the cause of the accidents was metal fatigue. The passenger windows were square, and the 90 degree angles couldn't tolerate the stress of pressurization. It took them a while to figure that out, and when they did they changed the design to oval windows. None were really repaired. The ones that were in accidents were all removed from service. And some, like the two that crashed into the Mediterranean, were of course complete losses. A number of Comet 2s were built in the mid 1950s and most of these served with the Royal Air Force. When all the testing had been done and all conclusions had been reached, de Havilland designed the greatly improved Comet 4, 4B and 4C and the first two were delivered to BOAC on 30 Sept 1958. They remained in service for quite a few years and the last Comet 4 was retired from passenger service in 1980. De Havilland built a total of 114 Comets. 37 were the early Comet 1/2 models and 77 were Comet 4s. (There was only one Comet 3, and that was actually a Comet 4 that was converted to Comet 3 standards!). Of the 114 built, 25 were destroyed or damaged in accidents and did not return to service. The other 89 were simply retired from service. Bo-Göran

Meg, it appears that someone guerilla planted mystery succulents before you got there...and that didn't scare you away either!!! Peter

Alberto:Muito obrigado pelo consello das sementes,espero que tenha a mesma sorte y germinen como as suas.Oclima em Malaga (Espanha) nao e tam bom como o de Parana(Brasil) que eu adoro,gosto do clima,palmeiras,frutos e gente en geral.Fico muito agradecido e desculpe as molestias.fico senpre a teu dispor Pedro

Hola, Os dejo unas fotos de una Hyphaene coriacea del Jardín Botanico de la Concepción en Malaga.

Hola A mi me germinaron a partir de los 60 días, a una temperatura entre 26º-34º, con una semana previa en agua. Te muestro unas fotos por si deseas comparar de Hyphaene coriacea, de Hyphaene thebaica no las encuentro ahora, hace varios años germine alguna pero no lograron pasar su primer invierno, también te muestro de Hyphaene compressa. Hyphaene coriacea Hyphaene coriacea Hyphaene compressa Saludos.

Cool bamboos Wal! I have recently taken an enthusiastic interest in bamboo... well... construction with it that is... This stuff is amazing! (Pic hosted at koolbamboo.com)