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Saw this Crysalidocarpus onilahensis ‘weeping form’ at Floribunda a few months back. Stopped me, and everyone else, in our tracks. Tim

Sunrise on a pair of Chrysalidocarpus was captivating this morning. The Chrysalidocarpus onilahensis weepy form in the foreground and taller Chrysalidocarpus pembanus behind it.

Apart from the freak hail in winter a while back, my palms had survived well and I was preparing for a photo session to stick it to the nay sayers who said THAT won't survive your winter. Well apart from 2 and some in the aforementioned hail, my palms and other tropicals got through unscathed. Spring came right on time and left a week later. We went straight into mid summer, temperatures in the mid to high 30s daily. This should have been survivable but there was not a drop of rain for weeks and the humidity which would be killing me but great for the plants was non existant. Ferns and Aroids starting dying off rapidly, then the heat got to me and I was bedridden for 2 weeks. I did have someone come in to water but as the saying goes if you want something done, then do it yourself. When I was finally able to sit up without falling over side ways and ventured into the shade house, over half my young palms were dead. Things not just bought this year, but last year and the year before that had shrivelled up and died. Licualas, Calyptrocalyx, Linospadix, even some of the smaller Chamaedoreas are now dead and gone. Last sunday was the hottest October day on record for my suburb, a mere 41c culminating in a wild storm that flattened plants and even blew over large very heavy pots, followed by heavy hail ( hail usually falls for 5 minutes or so, this time it lasted 20 minutes) the size varying between Lychee and Egg sizes. Doing a rough estimate of the cost involved, in hindsight, I should have just saved all that money (the post office got nearly half of it anyhow...the bastards) went to Korea for a face lift and pair of tits, come back and married someone with buckets of money and been able to afford big palms and an irrigation system. Right now I have decided not to waste another cent on plants, attend the palm show in march next year and only buy ready to plant sized things. Rant over, now I am going back to curl up in the corner again. Peachy. PS one good thing......Tassie Troy sent me some Chatham Island Rhopalistylus seeds a while ago and I got 100% germination success. They are getting their second leaf already)

A few more seedlings that have germinated. The Oraniopsis are still germinating more than 18 months later so very sporadic germination. The rest were fairly fast taking around 3 months. A few nice ones for the collection.

A beautiful palm the onilihanses, majestic and always standing proud in the garden. A nice flower has formed and with any luck a few seeds will set, it has produced viable seeds in the past so a good bit of water and I might get lucky.

I get scammers emailing or sending texts every day. Some of them are very good at it too so now I triple check everything before I believe it. Sometimes you can get a bit of revenge though. An email arrived on monday informing me my phone bill payment was late and I had to pay $85 immediately. I emailed back and thanked them. I told them I thought my bill was $930 and was about to send it so they saved me a lot of money. When you see something that seems too good to be true, then it is a scam !! A cynical way to be but this is what the world has now descended to. Peachy

There in there somewhere that’s all I know, and when I see them I remember I have them.

When coconut palm frond becomes orange

……another year down. Not too much different look, just larger scale. Still healthy and nice coloring. -dale

Ok, I was waiting to get a prescription filled and just wandering around town. The Senior Citizen Food Bank of all places....I stopped and hit reverse and went back. Asked if I could grab some seeds and got a nice little haul. Also wondering if y'all think any of these are transplantable because they're totally neglected and ignored. Also as far as germination goes, would a community pot with a baggie on a mat speed things up? Should I do the same with my Serena Repens seeds? Anyway, pics of some palms that I think are pretty even if nobody else cares about them here. And I picked that inflourence clean. There was only one other one and it was already dead and gone.

Dear Fellow Palm Enthusiasts, I enjoyed this three minute video, and I think you will also:

Ptychosperma elegans no doubt about it.

@Hilo Jason Here’s my update. As previously mentioned, they seem to like heat so did well this summer. Definitely picked up speed. Really need to ground one of these. -dale IMG_5812.mov

I have never grown this species before, so no idea as to how fast it should grow. But I do know from what I read about this species it does take the cold, and the southern growers in Australia can’t get enough of them. I recommend you get some seeds!

Nice P. pacifica with a full crown at the end of summer, growing at the FIU palmetum in Miami.

I got a ways to go. Just pulled all these off the heat mat and chunked a bunch of seeds and dead sprouts into the yard. Culling the herd. Now I need the Waimanalo/Solo to sprout and I'm legit stoked about the Oahu variety from @WaianaeCrider. Gonna grow some mangoes in here too because why not?

Very nice looking palm , and from seed! Those that we grow from seed are always special . The coloring is magnificent. Harry

Oh it wasn't a pressure post at all, my dude. Anyway a little self serving but does it count if what caught my eye is a grow bench I built? And I lied. There were 7 in the pot. I got a behemoth and 6 1 gallons to sell. But for Mississippi Dept of Agriculture nursery laws I have to keep them for 4 months. There is some nsfw language in my videos, unless you work in retail or the DMV, in which case the language is totally acceptable.

Royal palm dropped a frond showing this

Also Tim sometimes you get no pollen, for some reason or other I get a few of all my chamaedoreas not producing male pollen. And you can see in adscendens that they have been heavily cropped and tire of continual seed production. And need a rest with signs of not flowering and nutrient deficiency signs, not all of them it I learnt the signs of the genus, living so close to them and seeing them almost daily for 25 through observance I have learnt the certain characteristics of chamaedoreas in my garden, a great thing to learn studying the genus of chamaedoreas. There a wonderful genus of palms.

Hi All, on another note would anybody know what this palm is please. I have forgotten but know it is rare. Been in ground for 20 or so years. Fruit for last 10 maybe. Bright yellow than red. Trunck is only 10cm ish Thank you

After a whole year I finally got the opportunity the purchase a king palm for myself it looks in almost excellent condition and I’m really looking forward it looks absolutely beautiful

I agree with the others. The cleaned seeds of Archontophoenix cunninghamiana are spherical but cleaned seeds of Ptychosperma species are football shaped and "folded". If you cut through a Ptychosperma seed you'll see a star shape as seen in the photo - they're very unique. Obviously it's been awhile since you've seen the seeds you bought. Fruits of both Archontophoenix and Ptychosperma are similar color and shape.

^Agreed...looks like Arenga, maybe engleri?

These guys sense the change of seasons,and flower every fall. aztropic Mesa, Arizona

Found this old thread and thought it was fun. My list can't compare to most here--I have maybe 500sf of garden space--but here it is anyway: Archontophoenix cunninghamiana (triple) Ceroxylon parvifrons Chamaedorea costaricana (clump) Chamaedorea microspadix (clump) Chamaedorea plumosa (4) Chamaedorea radicalis (6) Chamaerops humilis (2 clumps) Chambeyronia macrocarpa 'Hookeri' Chrysalidocarpus ambositrae (clump) Chrysalidocarpus baronii (clump) Chrysalidocarpus onilahensis (2 clumps) Geonoma undata Hedyscepe canterburyana Howea belmoreana Ravenea glauca Ravenea hildebrandtii Rhopalostylis sapida 'Chatham Islands' (2) Trachycarpus fortunei (2) Euterpe edulis (removed but in pot) Plus a few tree ferns, cycads, birds of paradise, philodendrons, orchids etc. I want to see @Darold Petty's list!

That's a good idea, Richard. We'll do that. Thank you very much for the advice.

I have been using one form of AI or another since 1992 in grad school. Its been around a long time, few new algorithms have been developed the last decade. What has changed is the ability of computers to rapidly handle massive amounts of data needed for neural networks, Machine learning, and statistical pattern classification methods. Each algorithm each has its strengths and weaknesses. First, complex AI problems require a lot of data and it should not be too redundant. For example highly similar pics of an adult palmetto adds little in multiples and they may not help much identifying young palmetto seedlings. So collecting the data needed is not a simple process, you must account for "within class varations" for each class to represent all the possibilities during training of the AI. Collecting the data needed is non trivial as you pointed out. Close in pics, profile pics, lighting variations, view angle, age of the palm etc has to be accounted for in the data. second, data in-> # classes out is the over all process. All the images go in and the classes(species) come out The simplest scenario is one output class, with membership of yes/no as the output. In this application you have virtually thousands of output classes(species) which makes this a difficult problem. third, some of these unknown species images may not be unique enough to identify. For example, you will not be able to identify many sabals until they flower so a pre flowering plant is indistinguishable among other sabal species, they look too much alike. AI cannot solve data which is not unique to the class, no algorithm can and no expert can. Fourth such high dimensional data require vast independent sets of data not used to train the AI in order to validate the algorithm that it has not just fit the training data. Complex algorithms can fit training data and still fail on independent predictive data, its very common. There is a famous case study where the military was trying to identify the presence of tanks in the jungle. One day they took lots of images of jungle containing tanks and the next day there were many images of jungle with no tanks under the canopy. The classifier was perfect in training(fitting) the data but failed to reliably indentify images with tanks. Problem is it was sunny on the day the tanks were present and cloudly on the day they were absent. Validation showed all the algorithm did was identify a sunny day and distinguish it from a cloudy day. If you are still reading this post, the final problem is that the financial motivation for solving complex problems must be present to justify pursuit of the palm species classifier. Even if it is all possible to solve, absence of funding will prevent it from happening. I can think of no significant financial motivation for creating an expensive AI classifier when there is no substantial monetization.

Congratulations! That looks good , maybe hardened off , not stretched out. Thats a good thing . I would add a bit of soil to the pot , just enough to cover those roots . If you don’t already know , they love water. Harry

Oof.

So sorry you had a rough go of it. That would be disheartening to find so many of your babies , that you have nurtured to grow , in such a state. It would be very discouraging. Small , potted plants need constant attention , without it , they succumb quickly . Fortunately , we don’t go anywhere so my little babies get the nurturing they need . I was in the hospital recently and when my wife came in the morning I would ask , “ did you water the seedlings?” Even in the shelter of my larger palms they can dry out so fast . We are in the middle of a heat wave right now with hot , dry ,( humidity at 14% )Santa Ana winds blowing constantly ( yea Fall is our bad part of the year) . The garden needs our full attention . Harry

Princeps is the king of the Trachys and tolerates the cold very well. That's why I'm germinating them. And they take an enormous amount of time to germinate. One seed took me 4 months to germinate, and then I have to wait up to another year for more seeds to germinate. These Princeps are waiting for you!

It is the fall of Carthage! Please pictures...

Tahina -- it's a palm that might flower once in 30 years. Then it dies. Don't expect to find seed for sale on random websites, ever.

Glad you got the seed. They are Kahuku papaya. Much bigger than the Waimanalo Solo which are also from Oʻahu. Kahuku is on the north end of the east side of the island and Waimanalo is on the south end of the island. To you Texas guys....If your trees get to tall you can top them and they should sprout branches. We often do that here to make harvesting easy. Of course it setʻs the trees production WAY BACK.

Keep the water up to them, in my climate! Richard

They are a beautiful palm, but there aren’t many dypsis sp that are ugly anyway. Richard

Top photo taken in August. Bottom was taken in May. This palm needs extra potassium in my Cape Coral calcareous soils as can be seen by the older, yellowing fronds. It does grow fast and well here. Has an even larger crown now in October. About 19 leaves. Once the chilly 40s or 30s get here as happens a few times during our Winter months, the lower, older leaves will need to be removed due to cold damage. They will yellow and brown tip in the cold spells. Other than that, it looks great 10 months out of the year. Love this palm. Has about 5 to 6 feet of wood now. Planted I believe in 2017 or 2018 from an overgrown 3 gallon pot. A friend of mine had one for about 20 years. Seeding size. Then Hurricane Ian took it out. I also grow Pritchardia hildebrandii and that shows no cold damage at all. Also has about 6 foot of trunk and flowered for the first time this year.

Wow , that is warm . I’m glad that worked for you . Harry

We can’t get that in California anymore , as far as I know . It was fantastic for ants! Harry

i've germinated them from seed once and purchased seedlings from Floribunda twice. ALL have died. But, being the hardheaded collector i am,.I bought this 3 gallon plant in Miami last weekend and figured if i can start with a 3 gallon size, perhaps I have a chance. (they hate our high temps and wet summers here.) JD

It's Papaya season in Texas!

Yeah. You’ve got it Tim. I was cleaning up my batch in the shadehouse and found that one and thought, “who needs a lipstick palm when you can grow that” All of them are very colourful with everything from white to red to black, but that one really sparkled. Of course I couldn’t grow a real Cyrtostachys in a million years down here. I’m about 2500km too far south.

Well, it's been just over a day, and I did not seen any changes in the floaters versus non-floaters. So, I have begun the germination process... I will post updates as they come!

It really doesn't matter, because it can and still does go below zero Fahrenheit some winters, which is all it takes to kill most palms, no mater what species it is. So if you have 4-7 days with a high at or below freezing and an absolute minimum low near zero, that's cold enough to wipe out several nice zone 7b years in a row and kill all trunking palms that are left unprotected. I did a quick search for weather data for Nashville, and saw in Dec. 2022, here was a low of -1F and several cold days surrounding it: 2022-12-22 51 10 2022-12-23 11 -1 2022-12-24 25 5 2022-12-25 31 14 2022-12-26 34 18 And again the following winter, here was January 2024: 2024-01-14 37 16 2024-01-15 17 12 2024-01-16 19 7 2024-01-17 27 -1 2024-01-18 34 15 2024-01-19 34 13 2024-01-20 17 7 2024-01-21 32 4 2024-01-22 48 17 So while most of Middle TN might be rated zone 7b now, there was two winters in a row at zone 6b.

Bismarkia on the smaller side that have survived since 2022 & some new dactys Friendswood - Galveston county

Alocasia over 30 years old

Tahina seeds are pretty much unobtainable since the one offering circa 2009. I can't swear to it but I believe Madagascar has banned exportation of Tahina seeds in an effort to encourage its citizens to watch over this treasure. Don't believe anyone who claims to have them unless he can certify they are the real deal, not poached, and viable. I've had rogue seed peddlers steal my own photos to hawk their products. Once a thief, always a thief.

I been growing this one in miami (Westchester area) for 14 years now no problem with it with winter so far🤞

My Palm List South Florida Adonidia merrillii Christmas Palms- 2 Areca catechu (Dwarf)- 2 Areca vestiaria maroon leaf form - 1 Carpoxylon macrospermum- 1 Chambeyronia macrocarpa Watermelon- 1 Chambeyronia hookeri-2 Chambeyronia houailou- 2 Coccothrinax borhidiana- 2 Cocothrinax Crinita Subsp. Brevincrinis Short Hair Old Man -1 Coccothrinax crinita-2 Cocothrinax Salvatoris-2 Copernicia fallanse- 1 Cyphophoenix nucele- 2 Cyrtostachys renda (red sealing wax, Lipstick)- 1 Cyrtostachys renda var. Theodora Buhler (Apple Hybrid)-1 Dypsis lastelliana- 1 Dypsis leucomalla -2 Dypsis leptocheilos- 1 Dypsis plumosa- 1 Hemithrinax eckmanianii- 2 Hydriastele beguine (Obi Island)- 1 Kentiopsis olivaformis- 2 Licuala var. sumowongii- 2 Licuala grandis- 2 Neoveitchia storkii- 2 Phoenix Sylvestris- 2 Pseudophoenix sargentii (Buccaneer Palm)- 2 Pseudophoenix vinifera- 1 Sabinaria magnifica- 2 Satakentia liukenensis- 1 IMG_9120.MOV