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Yesterday, the members of the Hawaii Island Palm Society not presently in Peru traveled to Captain Cook, south of Kailua-Kona, to see the palm collection of George Peavy, proprietor of Kahili Kona farms, which grows quantities of citrus fruits and dragon fruits. But this topic is not about the club activity, but about many of the spectacular palms that we saw. The pics are in alphabetical order by genus for no better reason than that the order in which File Explorer stores them. First up is a spectacular pair of Bismarckia nobilis: Borassodendron machadonis Burretiokentia grandiflora Calyptrocalyx hollrungii A Chrysalidocarpus baronii with two heads. George Peavy says that the pair emerged when an old frond dropped. A trio of Coccothrinax crinita Cryosophila warscewiczii (upper center) A pair of Dypsis rosea (yes, still Dypsis) Elaeis oleifera Johannesteijsmannia (Joey) magnifica Joey perakensis (Joey-on-a-stick) Pelagodoxa henryana Sclerosperma mannii (center) and Pinanga javana (upper right) A trio of Vonitra utilis (George Peavy underneath) Finally, a landscape view from the farm with the ocean in the distance. End of story.

To clarify, you're just wanting to sell what you currently have or are you planning on scaling up and trying to sell on a larger scale??? If it's just the few plants you currently own, Craigslist and FB marketplace will work just fine, or eBay with Local Pickup as the option, no shipping. No permits should be necessary...

The dasyantha would have to be one of my most favourite palm, a few reasons there beautiful, tough, easy to germinate, a little dry tolerant and they grow do well in my climate combined with cool tolerance. All the things I like in a palm. They do like a drink of water and will definitely reward the grower for such a drink. I love them.

who can guess this ID? Hedyscepe

I was growing this Joey outdoors to see how they would go. Absolutely perfect nothing to worry about growing joeys outside. They are quite tough, this one sat in a tray of water all winter it loved it. I think it’s time the Joey rule book had an update. There so easy to grow, Just add water! This one will make a nice feature alongside the driveway in a few years.

A few more winners for the garden. The Pinanga tashiroi a rare one that shall be well protected from the rats, just like the rest of the seedlings. It will be interesting in a few years time there will be some good stuff @happypalms nursery.

A few more popping up this week, every week or so I go through the box’s ands containers checking for germination and what needs some water. After about 4 months on the heat mat the bottom of the medium starts to dry a little, not always but it pays to check on them, also the community pots need to be checked for the top drying out due to the fact that they are in bags, occasionally one drys out a little and needs a misting. That’s about all you need to do apart from potting up, it’s not rocket science but…..

Insurance is such a scam. Like it was mentioned, if they put half as much money into taking care of their customers as they put into advertising, the world would be a better place. Flo, the lizard, Jake, the emu, they can all go to hell. It seems like 80% of the commercials on TV now are insurance commercials. Well, maybe 60% and the rest are just happy upbeat music playing with an elderly couple walking along the beach while they read off a list of side effects that say this pill may make you want to hang yourself or you might bleed to death from your butt, but the people in the commercial are eating funnel cakes in a hot air balloon or something stupid. Anyway end rant and I really hope you were able to move this palm.

As a hobbyist, I grow the palms I want (from seed), always have an example planted in my garden to show that they do survive here, then sell the extras through Craigslist, palmtalk 'for sale' or FB marketplace. (don't waste time on offer up) If you have the time, it's best to grow your stock up to at least 3/5 gallon size as most people want something big enough to be seen when planted out in the yard. If you can grow it to that size,then it proves that the buyer should also be able to achieve similar results when instructed on the plants requirements in your local environment. Don't waste time growing material that is commonly available in your area. You will never be able to compete on price with companies that grow a species by the millions. Finally, as a goal, try to make your hobby pay for itself.👍😄🌴 aztropic Mesa, Arizona

Sabal Yapa

one of my top ten favorite palm leaf shapes

I don’t know how it is where you are . If it is just a few plants to “ word of mouth “ people , I wouldn’t worry about it. If you try to get permits or business license , it could go south . Don’t use the word “business” use “hobby” , ie. “it’s my hobby” . Keep it comfortable and low key . There are quite a few backyard growers in Southern California , not sure how many have business licenses. I have visited a couple and it is a hobby environment , cash and carry . I have a small business , not horticulture , I have to carry two million dollar liability insurance , business license , state and local taxes and income tax , plus annual fire and safety inspection. I would think it would take hundreds or even thousands of sales to be profitable with plants. My advice is keep it as a hobby , have fun! Harry

Yeah the thing with permits is like if you ask you’re kinda making it known you’re doing something already or planning on it. However unless it’s free or cheap I’m not sure how you can be profitable without larger scale. I think I saw it costs like 100$ + minimum and you have to get re licensed every year in florida, I’m probably off on the pricing but unless you know you will sell that much it’s like a dilemma. But then of course what’s also a problem is 1 random tip and your operation gets “found”. I’ll definitely be keeping up with this thread bc it’s interesting.

There will be more “palm portraits” with Latin names, but too busy today. Many head home this morning but I am lucky enough to head to Cajamarca with a small group. Yesterday orchids in bloom and dormant were numerous along the road so we happily took a break from the long bus rides. There were many plants which we were happy to even get to the family level of identification. I was told this strikingly yellow plant was some form of mistlestoe. And all ages of Dictyocaryum surrounded us. This baby was low enough that I could reverse the leaf to show off the silver underside. Look at that crownshaft color. Note stilt roots on the left. So many Dictyocaryum palms!!

A great little palm the tenella. I couldn’t go past this one in flower I just had to admire it. It’s a male so a great one for a bit of pollination. You just cannot beat chamaedoreas for the beauty they have, and there’s no shortage of varieties available either.

Ah, no good. There's always something that makes gardening a challenge, for me winter and drought, for you voracious insects...it's easy to forget that even Hawaii has it's palmy problems.

Regardless of changes in climate, replacement costs for new construction have skyrocketed which accounts for most of the home owner’s insurance cost increases. Fifteen years ago you could rebuild a home for 1/3 less than today’s cost.

"Won't be long now, you'll need to move that car as to not hinder juniors' needs." "Junior" in my sentence refers to the palm. But yeah, I see you are on board, with his needs coming first! Looks to be fattening as opposed to height gain at this stage. Exactly what you want!

That is actually a common issue. Most nurseries only carry what will sell quickly to most people. Even if it’s exactly the same stuff that you can get from Lowe’s or Home Depot. Keeping plants alive is risky and costly so they won’t want to put too much into “rare” palms, even though we might not consider them rare. We used to see some non standard palms for sale over here at Rockledge Gardens, but I think their palm expert is gone and so are the uncommon palms. Lukas Nursery in Oviedo has some unusual palms but they don’t list this in their inventory. As stated above, you can find these at palm sales but probably not in a 15 gallon size. Unless you go south to the SFL area, your chances are going to be limited. MB Palms in Orlando does show them in inventory up to 3, 15, and 100 gallon but they are typically not open to the public. They do have an open house usually once a year and they do go to the Leu Gardens sale in the spring. They have quality plants although the guy has been reported to be difficult to deal with one on one. I would think that this would be the closest place where you will find this palm.

Couple of nice ones. Some chameadorea flowers look so similar male and female, I only know this was a male by the pollen I spotted when I moved it. I have two others and iam pretty confident o eg is a female as well, so I might have to arrange a marriage for them.

It’s not hard to be friendly and treat people how you would like to bet treated yourself. Iam not into talking behind peoples back or slandering them. I have better things to do than give someone a hard time, we all make mistakes in life, it’s not hard to forgive someone. Just be nice to other people.

C. ponapense, as you can imagine from the Pigafetta in the background, it is quite large amazing palm, easily shrugged off the recent drought, probably because it has extended its roots to Oahu by now

Yes, Harry is right, my friend. That's good advice for you, John, and Sancho. Don't take any chances. There's a lot of competition in this plant business. I grow and germinate my palm trees only for my private collection and to contribute to a future Botanical Garden in my city. For that, I consider myself well paid, friends. Although I've sold and given away palm trees, if it's for me and that project I have in mind, whatever it is or whatever we do with palm trees, we'll continue to be successful on this earth, friends. Hugo

Mississippi says I'm supposed to be licensed as a non commercial grower if it isn't my primary source of income, they send someone out to inspect and I get a certificate, total cost $0.00 and as long as it isn't my primary source of income, with no clear limits on dollar amounts or volume listed. If I purchase "nursery stock" from any other sources to resell I am to be considered a nursery dealer. Anything under $12k/yr is exempt from income tax,.and it's all super vague which - vague in the world of tax collecting usually means bad. By the time you take out what I've made, minus just shipping, it's like maybe $100. Then you factor in soil and fertilizer and pots and seeds and electric bills for the grow lights and water and everything else it's even less. Then it's super vague and ambiguous over what counts as an agricultural product vs an ornamental plant vs a houseplant. But if I am selling home grown produce I can do that all day long no paperwork no questions asked nobody cares. So maybe I just use the argument that anything is edible if you get hungry enough. Kids eat boogers and paste. Palm fronds can't be any worse than that.

My Carlsbad CA Clinostigma savoryanum just dropped a leaf, exposing an inflorescence. I think I recall this has bloomed previously.

Use pirateship.com for discounted UPS rates. I love them. Just keep in mind shipping prices are based more on size than weight. The For Sale forum here is a good starting point. Lots of states (including Mississippi) have restrictions on importing coconut palms due to the coconut rhino beetle. Facebook Marketplace and local farmers market type stuff isn't a bad idea, I'm gonna try the markets next year when I hopefully have lots more baby palms and nanners to sell. @aztropic seems to do well with just a craigslist ad. I tried eBay and I think I edited my listing more than anyone saw it. I actually just googled the laws and both FL and MS require you to have a nursery license and pass an inspection. I didn't dig much deeper, but with the literally 10 plants I've sold I can qualify as a non commercial grower and it's all free here.

Brahea Super Silver really starting to look the part now. Germinated in 2017 so about 8 years from seed to actually silver. It’s a rewarding palm to grow and goes through a nice transition from green to aqua/blue to blue/silver.

Areca tunku

Bill Baker (Kew) descending the Bosque de palmeras Ocol. This is where we saw hundreds of ceroxylons. Norm from Hawaii having a grand time hiking in the forest. Notice the boots on each of them. It was muddy and slippery. I learned the value of using a walking stick.

Here is my contribution from rainy east Hawaii Island. First a pair of warburgiis. Here is a third. (I liked this shot.) Here is exorrhizum (apologies for the pile of dead palm fronds): Here is a trio of ponapenses. These compete with Pigafettas and Hydriastele costata for gaining height very quickly. The exorrhizums shown above are is the same sun conditions as the ponapenses, but are not as eager to grow tall. Here is a somewhat distant shot of a quartet of harlandiis. These like to grow tall also, but not as fast as ponapenses. Finally, here is a shot of one of my savoryanums. These are my youngest Clinos, so I can't generalize yet on their rate of growth. These have at least the reputation of being one of the cold hardiest of the best known species. Obviously, it is a beauty.

I don’t mind giving a few seeds if I have them, sharing is caring they say, and i learn something new everyday about palms. Palm talk has some very knowledgeable minds, a great way to learn about growing palms is just one of the benefits, meeting like minded people who have a common interest.

Looking good! What’s temps are you guys seeing there at the moment?

Sober thoughts this might prove helpful.

Hi @MattyB any update?

Pulling out one of these... The only thing that will get rid of Bermuda ..if removed correctly. Anything else is futile / a waste of time / won't accomplish ....Shhh -quitt Bermuda = don't come to play, if you're afraid of getting very dirty and beat up trying to win it's game.

According to the FL Dept. of Agriculture, if you are growing/producing any plants for sale, you need to register as a nursery...but I think Florida is used to people with backyard nurseries and if you contact a plant inspector, which is always your first step (see https://www.fdacs.gov/Agriculture-Industry/Plants-and-Nurseries/Plant-Inspection/Plant-Inspector-Directory) I think you can just explain what you're doing and they will likely help you to make sure your little operation is safe and free of any vectors that are considered dangerous, etc. The one thing you will want to avoid is selling any citrus plants, since as most people are aware, they are strictly enforced and best if you don't ever play around with anything in that family. (That includes ornamentals like Murraya paniculata and things many people don't realize are in that family, like Curry.) The difficulty will come in when you try to ship to states like CA, LA, HI or AZ...they have strict regulations on nematodes et al. and it's a more complex situation. But I have a friend who has a nursery in FL and I believe the Dept. of Ag was helpful in walking him through the process of getting certified for California. These folks want you to succeed and are there to help you, not to bring the hammer down on you or make your life a living hell with red tape. So I would say, yes, get the ball rolling but don't be worried that it will be a nightmare as there are many, many little nurseries scattered throughout the state and they got permitted, so not such a high bar that you won't be able to satisfy the requirements, I'm sure. Oh, and remember that if you're reselling plants grown by another nursery, then you're a nursery stock dealer, and you need to register for that as well (and this allows you to buy your resale materials without paying sales tax to the wholesale/original grower).

Okie dokie, if I want to sell at city sanctioned farmers markets I have to have a nursery license and liability insurance and I should probably have a business license and collect sales tax and that sounds like a lot for someone who's made a grand total of 3 sales. And I don't want to ask anyone at the state or county level because I don't want to red flag myself. I'm not opposed to a license as I think it'd give me more credibility if I had more inventory and wanted to expand to like Etsy or something, but the rest sounds like a big hassle and any money I make would go into fees and taxes vs expanding.

I don't have any answers and Google led me down some wild rabbit holes which I'm sure you've already gone down. Would it hurt to use copper fungicide or h2o2 as a preventative?

Our palm society has a big sale twice a year, and members can sell their plants there. We also have an auction at every meeting, and I always donate something.

Snitches.

... and do I need permits Contact your city or county office regarding permits. It only take one person to report you before officials start to visit. Ask me how I know.

Palms of that size, you need to do marketing well. Word of mouth, advertising and local pick up. You could take your palms to the them free home delivery in your local area. Mail order yes but the shipping needs to added into that, bare rooted mail order another way. Use social media to advertise what you have, contact a local landscaping company, go see your local nurseries and peddle your plants that way. It’s all about marketing now you have a product to sell, how well you market your product will determine how fast they sell. Advertising is key, and choose palms that are in demand and they will sell. But dont give up keep on trying you may sell the lot in one go, or just a couple in a few months. The old saying if you build it they will come!

Picture of the gocta falls

Gocta falls today. This beautiful little town was so friendly and well kept. They had painted murals on many of the buildings. Here are a couple examples.

We’re staying very busy and only intermittent internet. Here’s a teaser of the Ceroxylon forest we loved yesterday. Lots of seedlings once we entered areas cattle can’t reach.

more Chrysalidocarpus notovobontsira, featuring a moth model that is thankfully not an Opogona tokoravina

Is there a go fund me page for this palm to help cover the cost of transplant!

Since I was ripped off by my insurance in 2011, I haven't bothered with it. When I moved house 4 years ago, even though the house is not in a flood zone, it's a recent build and no potential hazards at all, the premium they wanted was astronomical. People in Nth Qld, Nth New South Wales and flood prone areas of Brisbane are now no longer able to get insurance or pay 5 figure premiums to the couple of companies that will take them on. Even if you comply and remove all alleged hazards around your home they will still probably find something to deny your claim. Going by the photos, your home is on a steep slope and would be susceptible to a wild fire even if there wasn't a palm for kilometres. Anyway I just needed to vent and hope you can move them safely. Peachy