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Big CIDP today in old part of Texas City, plus an interesting Phoenix. Any chance this is a theophrastii? Bonus Butia in the mix.

My baby lisa (hopefully)

This thread needs more pics! Here's a couple of mine: Sabal 'lisa' Sabal mexicana Variegated Sabal palmetto Sabal minor 'Louisiana' Also have miamiensis, 'Riverside', maritima, dominguensis, causiarum, rosei, yapa, uresana and bermudana grown from seed that will be photo-worthy in 5 years or so!

Webster / Bay Area boulevard yesterday palms look fine around here peep the trio of huge robsutas ..

That's too bad... maybe someone down in the RGV would take it off your hands for ya? Sucks that palms get mis-represented too much in the hobby, there's not enough legitimate people in the business it seems. Between the multiple people with very cold tender S. causiarum and the complete farse that is the supposed "cold hardy" queen, it might be best to steer clear of such vendors and find some with more repute. I am enthralled that after a week of dense and dark clouds, the sun finally showed it's gorgeousness today in Central Texas and warmed us well into the 70's. It's starting to give me spring fever big time and I want to get planting, but I think @Xenon might've really jinxed us by declaring the end of the Texas winter LOL! I'm going to wait another few weeks to see how things look in the 10-day forecast at that time. Mid Feb signals the return of the Purple Martins which is always fun. They're the first spring migrant I notice and I love watching them soaring above the house. Several weeks after that it'll be the chimney swifts and barn swallows! I'll post some photos of my palms now that there is some sun to light up their colors. My Mexi's are slightly bronzed and my Queen suffered no damage at all that I can tell?? My ultimate low in the yard was 25F but nearby weather stations in my neighborhood measured anything from 19 to 27F on the coldest morning so hard to say, but given the damage it seems 25 might be accurate. Happy Spring! All you in the North, it's making its way to you as well, just gonna take some more time. Chris Slightly bronzed frond (W. robusta): Undamaged Queen palm sheltered and amongst the growing W. filiferas (this is the true Santa Catarina extra hardy queen palm 🤣) Another shot of W. robusta, I've got two right next to each other. These suckers were 1-gallon when planted May of 2023!! Absolute rockets. Took a walk at Brackenridge and mosied over to the Sunken Gardens to see how the Mules look. It looks like they didn't even notice the cold spell at all. In spite of that I just can't get excited by this hybrid. I LOVE the Queen, and I LOVE the Pindo. I think @Allen had the best looking one around but you could tell he took excellent care of it, and possibly the soil in TN is much more to its liking than the alkaline limestone and clay here, not to mention the 3 months of temps in the 100's with hardly a drop of rain in the summer.

I searched and couldn't quite find an existing thread, but let's use this thread to show some love to Sabal. All species and hybrids welcome! Show us what you got. This is a nice Sabal palmetto (best guess) that I rescued from Fresno State's campus several years ago. Their mature trees seed in the lawns and garden beds, and the seedlings get mowed over. I dug this one out and it took well to the transplant.

a close up of my Rhapis excelsa, this one is over 30 years old and about 3 meters tall

A new chamaedorea in the collection I purchased from the annual pacsoa plant sale about 12 months ago. From my understanding it was Colin Wilson who introduced it into cultivation in Australia. So if you’re in for any new palms get along to the pacsoa plant sales coming up.

Here’s one in a warm temperate region , doing well. Harry Sabal Palmeto ? Not sure , it was a gift and the grower wasn’t sure which species . It was a strap leaf seedling over 25 years ago.

The good old Bismarck palm, hardly ever gets noticed due its popularity. Planted pretty well much everywhere a palm can grow just about. It was all the rage in the day when it got introduced into cultivation. Now it just gets a second look and that’s it. Still a popular palm for some with the room to grow one or two. But a good landscaping palm if your after an impact statement. Easy to germinate and grow the trick is to when it comes to potting up seedlings just germinated. It will always be popular for various reasons.

A nice green rhapis and healthy as well. I shall raise your green rhapis with a variegated Japanese one called zuikonishiki. Rps have a new rhapis variety called vidalii extremely rare get those seeds gyuseppe.

this is a Sabal minor btw. There are some other random Sabal species it might be, but very clear indication it’s not a palmetto is the leaf structure. Palmettos have a costapalmate structure that sort-of bends down. The minors have a true fan/palmate structure with no bend. It looks really good!

Mine has done well with total neglect.

Once having seen these full, majestic crowns from the Arenal Hanging Bridges in Costa Rica in 2008, the impression never left me. So not long after beginning my Hawaii garden, I planted 3 in July 2011. One was unfortunately lost to a falling tree, but the remaining 2 are growing well and producing hunky flower spathes. They are so gorgeous I wanted more, and in May 2022 planted another trio toward the front of my garden for better viewing as they mature. So far, so good. Photo by Scott Zona, Arenal Hanging Bridges, Costa Rica

I do actually have 2 seedlings in ground. As an experiment I buried a few seeds outside. One sprouted in the swampy forest and another by a wall (probably a bad idea) Both are doing ok though they haven’t made much more progress than my potted seedlings atm. Hopefully in 20 years I can say i’ve re established the native sabal population nearby…

The fertilizer ratio seems reasonable, I'd also agree with the potassium & manganese deficiency. It could also be a bit of Boron deficiency, as it can also cause distorted new fronds. Mulch around the palm will help with boron deficiency, the mulch will essentially slow-release boron and other nutrients as it degrades. I didn't see a sign of fungus, though some leaf spots could be a "cosmetic" leaf spot type. To rule out a fungus, do the new spears look clean and green? Sometimes a bud rot can damage the new spears as they are growing. If you can check the new spears and/or post a photo that would help. One other possibility is that the palm closest to the building is planted in "builder's sand." At least here in the US the foundations are poured on fine sand that's sometimes hydrophobic, and devoid of nutrients. That doesn't mean you can't grow a palm there, it just means that it may need more fertilizer than normal and stuff like mulch would help a lot.

They are a nice palm tough as and rather pretty to look at.

Over on the Cold Hardy forum here, there's plenty of threads on the Sabal genus.

I picked up some seeds from some very robust sabals in a nearby shopping center. Now I have around 5 or 6 seedlings. They all grow very slow unfortunately it’s like watching a rock move 😂. Hoping a few live to become big and beautiful like their mothers. How long can they be kept potted anyway (palmetto)?

I found this 15g baby tucked away in my bamboo, I had forgotten to plant it. Our intern helped plant it. This is a very forgiving plant, I neglected it for 4 years, I had bought it during the pandemic shut down, no water no fertilizer and it's no worse off for the wear.

Yes, it’s been given to a local nursery.

I had a similar experience with some Caryota fruit when I was in Kauai. My hands started tingling , then went numb for about 25 minutes. It kinda scared me . Thank you for the reminder. Harry

I would advise wearing latex gloves when cleaning the fruit from the seeds due to a very irritating compound in the fruit- sone kind of acid I forget the actual name. I learned the hard way many years ago when cleaning A. hookerii fruit. It wasn't the end of the world, but was pretty unpleasant.

Replacement palm in its new home.

From 2023-01-10. Used Minwax from Home Depot. This color is called Gunstock. It gives a nice redish look, but not overkill. I added minwax semi-gloss polyurethane. It gives it a little subtle shine. I have been really pleased with the result. I have done this about 3 times now without any affects. I didn't think to take a before pic, but here is one from my security cam for comparison. I have had the Palms about 3 years now. Absolutely LOVE them!

Have some fresh palm seeds for sale: Archontophoenix maxima $18/100 Burretiokentia koghiensis $25/100 Chamaedorea tepejilote $15/100 Chambeyronia (Kentiopsis) oliviformis $25/100 Chambeyronia macrocarpa $12/20 Chambeyronia macrocarpa "watermelon" $1ea Rhopalostylis baueri v. "cheesemanii" $20/100 Rhopalostylis sapida v. "oceana" or "Chatham Island" $20/100 Flat rate priority shipping $8 I'll have more types available soon.... Thanks -Joe (760)300-7339

Now that’s a milestone in palm land. Having rojasiana, and seeds from Donald R.Hodel even better. A fair exchange indeed.

Another nice warm summer day in the garden, I just love summer.

Doing a spot of work in the hothouse and spotted a couple of albino communis seedlings. An oddity at that but somehow I doubt they will live not being able to photosynthesis but still unusual and rare I suspect.

my jubaea I bought it a little big 20 years ago!

Reposting for those on mobile who were unable to view the original photos...

Yes I thought this one might get you. Good luck trying to find one. Apparently there as rare as chickens teeth. I knew you would like it.

Colin was quite insistent I purchased it knowing I was a collector. You gotta get this one he said, then the story behind it. Regardless of the story I would have purchased it!

He’s a true gardener at heart.

A camellia the bigger one in the background, impatiens the red flower, azaleas to the right, but the one in the middle is I think one of snow white’s dwarf most likely happy.

One of the funniest movies getting around right down to poor old Ken and Otto. The bit were he kills the old lady’s dogs one by one classical eventually giving the old lady a heart attack and successfully bumping her off.🤣

Hi, Thanks for the info. Yes, my Jubaeas were in similar pots as my Chams are.

They like water , for sure. Sorry , I can’t see much wrong with that palm . Maybe I’m missing something. Harry

Sabal Causiarum after freeze damage from temperatures around 25°f. Even my Robusta went through the long freeze better. I'm not sure if it's a Sabal Causiarum anymore and some of you guys already came up with a different type of Sabal that gets easily mixed up. Leaf hardiness on this particular Sabal is poor. Will be digging it out on the weekend.

They NEED very well draining soil in pot, something like pumice or leca, but they thrive in clay soil in the ground.

I've witnessed Mother Nature's cruelest late frost ironically on April fools up here, tho that was back last century! lmao. A week of super warmth coming will feel good and give my energy bills a break🤞Jan was cold enuf, and a recent record for the Continental U. S. they say for coldness. Feb may erase that as La Nina strengthens. We'll brace for it. P.S. No palm damage seen i laugh when i saw peeps covering stuff with temps "only" in the twenties last week! If a burford holly, much less a Sabal or Trachy cannot take that then to hell with it🤬

I have had one for about 30 or more years . It now has dark red or orange fruit, not sure if the seeds will be viable as it’s the only one I have. When they feel like they want to come off easily I will try to germinate them. They are very nice palms and hardy. Harry

Seen some trachies persist for a couple years in Childress. Gone now. Childress is not on the caprock like Amarillo/Lubbock. Spent a week every month in Lubbock for years. No trunking palms that I have seen last more than a couple years. Although I suspect sabal minors would be doable. I've literally seen it go from Arctic conditions to full on summer walking across a parking lot(city block. The weather changes that fast. True story. Different world up on that caprock! Llano estado https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llano_Estacado

Sometimes the cold damage is short term until the weather warms. Sometimes the cold damage is permanent.

In one Word, great 👍

The hyophorbes you can bring indoors. I have both spindle and bottle that live indoors all winter in NY so I’m sure they’d do fine for shorter periods in CA. I have a greenhouse that I heat above freezing but is still quite cool at night, similar to what winter days in CA can be like (albeit for more weeks). I have tried to grow a bottle in there and it didn’t die, but it stopped all growth, the existing fronds withered and it never started growing again the whole following summer. The second winter then killed it. All the usual z8/z9 palms do fine with months of cool temps.

I don’t have many in containers . The ones I do have are protected as best as possible. So far , it’s been mostly very dry with very little rain so if they are dry to touch , they get watered. The dry wind also plays havoc on the garden , but potted plants really suffer , if they are in plastic , they get blown around . Wedging the pots between rocks or other plants helps . Harry

I would add, when it comes to palms grown outdoors and brought inside for winter, that if you're trying to decide between two different lights, go for the one with as many LEDs on it as possible. The strength of the light starts to decrease rapidly more than 12 inches away from the LEDs so you want as many as possible. If leaves closer to the light start to bleach out, you can just reposition it a few inches further away

Here are a couple of photos of Sabal pumos I took a few days ago. I planted this palm in a public median in St. Marys, GA, from a 3-gallon container in 2010, the palm itself grown from seed acquired from RPS. This was the palm's first real test in the ground; we dropped to 22F on January 8 and then to 27F on January 9. As you can see, there is some moderate damage to outer leaves, and at this stage, the palm appears to be hardy to about 20F. I suspect that it will acquire more hardiness as it gets larger. I have personally observed this in S. domingensis in Savannah, which was unfazed this winter by 18F there. I would be interested to know of others' experiences with Sabal pumos, as it appears to be very rare in cultivation (at least in Georgia!). The attached photos show the crown detail and a comparison of Sabal palmetto (left) with S. pumos (right).

It was a lovely evening filled with some great mementos from Ralph and fun stories and remembrances. Thanks to everyone involved and Sherman Gardens for hosting in such a beautiful setting!