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Had a bit of luck pollinating a Metallica and adscendens. The adscendens are easy and have been pollinating them for quite a few years now with great success with close to 1500 seeds this season. A couple of months ago I had my chamaedoreas flowering so I keeped a close eye on the male metallicas I have in my garden. Last season I had a small bit of luck with my Metallica’s but hadn’t cracked the technique. But this season I got it right by observing the male flowers daily. Touching the them with an artist brush until I noticed some pollen one time. Not knowing (you can tell by the colour but had to act as the male pollen was fresh) if the female flowers were ready I pollinated them all in my garden daily until the pollen source was finished. Now a couple of months later I have some good seeds being produced. So i finally cracked the technique required for pollination of metallicas. It only took me three seasons but I worked it out obviously it’s not rocket science but through daily observation I worked it out.

Entering this conversation late.... I anm the one who discovered the original plant (not in the wild of course) but growing on the south side of a building in Lawrence, KS. (see first pic) I can say from personal experience they survive much further north than their native range. In zone 6a they grow very slow...barely replacing freeze-damaged leaves each year but on a south side of a building they will eventually get big enough to set seed. And that is the real treat...possibly even more cold hardy genetics. We have been experimenting with these over the last 15 years and Plant Delights Nursery sold some of our seedlings a few years ago as Sabal minor 'Lawrence'. These have unknown genetics but hardy enough to survive as low as -18F with no mulch on a south side of a building. Last year in Jan 2024, it even survived an extremely cold spell with a daytime high of -1F...that's offer 48 hours of temperatures under 0F with hard ground freeze. Update 2025....still very much alive and thriving. We have several for sale here you look up Kansas Plant Farm. I have also seen a large seed-bearing specimen of sabal minor (unknown genetics) in Stillwater OK at the OSU Botanical Gardens. Hope this helps!

My two Beccariophoenix Alfredii’s. Both had to be stood back up after Hurricane Milton, but have done just fine since. Bottom one planted from a 5’ tall 15g in spring 2022. Top one planted from a bigger 15g last spring.

Bump! This has turned into a beautiful palm with that unusual leaf arrangement. Scale is nice, not too big or small. Here a few photos from the last couple of days. Tim

I finally got everything in around 2 am. Maybe it was overkill, but I didn't want to chance it. Tonight it's supposed to get down to 25F again. Most of these palms I've grown from seed starting around 2007 or 2008. They've been with me in Illinois, Ohio, and Wyoming. They've exploded in growth since I've moved to Texas.

Here's my Alfredii in S. Miguel, Azores, six years in the ground. Wish I had a few more.

My sole entry, obtained as Madagascariensis around 3 years ago.

No offense taken, it's simply a discussion. I totally understand that the Weather forecasters are going to take the wrath if they miss, and definitely not a career I would want to take on. But in this instance we were talking about temps at freezing, not the 19F we saw last year. 19F for this climate is hazardous, but 32F low ( a couple hours) and 50F and sunny in the day is not what I would classify as "Dangerous". It is within the norms of winter weather here. I understand there are people who don't pay attention to the weather, but I just don't appreciate the inflammatory language. "Tonight will be the coldest night of the winter, with lows around freezing. Be sure to dress appropriately for cold weather." That's along the lines of what I want to hear.

So far our ultimate low was 30f on the NE of San Antonio but some rain is in the forecast for Thursday. So far we're having a mild winter. Hopefully it stays like this . No palms and plants are covered and everything looks like nothing happened .

Got a couple of Chambeyronia growing next to each both flowering at the same time. It’s the first time the macrocarpa has flowered the hookeri has flowered twice but with no seeds set yet. It’s the first will be interesting to see if I get any seeds set this season I would be confident in a cross pollination if I do get seeds ( not really a fan of hybrids) either way it will e a long wait to find out if I have created a hybrid.

Just a small update on my 'Laffa'. I don't know if I would call it a dwarf, it is now 17.5 ft high. It is quite skinny at 10" around. The latest leaves are 9' long, and long leaflets from 5' to mostly 3' odd long. There is no petiole to speak of with the leaflets starting at about 1" from the trunk. It looks nothing like John's pic above. Mine may be more leggy then usual since it is very crowded and growing right through another tree and palms and fern. Very hard to photograph. Showing one of the long skinny leaves. The Laffa leaf is the one with the prominent midrib heading right.

It’s not looking good for that Yorkshire Kris guy. He’s in northern England at 53.4N and quite far inland. Some of you would be familiar with him from YouTube. His CIDP is probably too big to protect now really. This is a northerly arctic blast type event, which is most common. It affects Scotland and northern England much worse with more prolonged cold and much lower temps. The south of England doesn’t really get hit that bad. The proper cold air doesn’t really get far enough into southern England and we tap into milder incursions / interludes between each wave. Whereas northern regions can be stuck with it for weeks with little if any respite, especially in mid-winter. This is the current situation. The northern arctic air flow that is coming across right now is moderated by having to cross so much open sea and doesn’t deliver a punch outside of northern areas of the UK. Even in northern areas the air mass isn’t usually that potent. But northern areas are stuck with it for much longer with shorter days as well and they enter a prolonged freeze event. What I fear is the easterly based ‘Beast from the East’ events that come across the continent from Siberia and the Finish/Russian arctic areas of Europe. That air is freezing and penetrates deep into Western Europe with very low minimums. It comes across the English Channel and North Sea and affects southern and central England worse than northern regions. Northwest Scotland is fairly well protected in those kind of events. That is what happened in January 1987 and February 2018. Fortunately the Easterly continental blasts are quite rare. As in once or twice a decade events for me here. But they do the most damage by far for us in southern England. It would look something like this. This is a hypothetical scenario below that has appeared on modelling (won’t happen).

Everyone! ALERT!!!!!!! ALERT! We ARE getting historic snowfall here of 2-4" Friday!!! I rented this snowblower so I won't be stuck!!

I don't even think I went below freezing last night. Banana and Cannas have varying degrees of browning. Hibiscus look great and Heliconia have some spotting on only some of the leaves.

my protection on the balconey,but to be honest Sabine's part is also big, but yes, there are a lot of exotics, many of them from the compost, and we got them and many as gifts, jasmine plants of various kinds, flowers, palm trees of course.... . But it's all about protection with layers of fleece, sagex, old leaves etc.

Good to know the trick to the metallicas Richard. I just planted this male and female pair.

That's the Salt Arm Road and leads to the Salt Arm Boat Ramp, a popular well developed boat ramp used throughout the year. From the Gunn Point Rd (which is sealed to just past the turn off) take the right hand turn towards Leader's Creek. That's a well maintained gravel road. A number of kms along there's the right hand turn to Salt Arm. The advantage of the wet season is you're not travelling through other peoples' dust. On the Salt Arm Rd the creek crossing (Leader's Creek) can sometimes flood, otherwise the culvert crossing is good. The side tracks off those roads are another story. They're only wet season trafficable where they follow stoney ridges, and that's only for very short distances. These are used by 4WD adventurers who are equipped with full recovery gear, with accompanying other 4WD vehicles. So whilst there's a lot of H ramsayi out there, you'd still see plenty within 100 metres of the Salt Arm Rd, minus the 4WD adventure.

Great thread. With a Washingtonia planted spring 2024 in zone 8a, I’ve been very careful this winter. Anything below 25 degrees, I turn on the incandescent Christmas lights and zip up a large palm protection bag. Had cold temps and snow last night. The bag was too heavy and overwhelmed the bamboo support stakes. I came out to the below photo. Several fronds were bent at 90 degree angles but not broken—I hope they will be okay. For tonight I reinforced it with multiple bamboo stakes but might have to reconsider the soft bag. I like the idea of the “tent” on page 1 but that doesn’t look very warm.

We have several for sale in Lawrence ,KS if you look up Kansas Plant Farm. I can say from personal experience they survive much further north than their native range. In zone 6a they grow very slow...barely replacing freeze damaged leaves each year but on a south side of a building they will eventually get big enough to set seed. And that is the real treat...possibly even more cold hardy genetics. We have been experimenting with these over the last 15 years and Plant Delights Nursery sold some of our seedlings a few years ago Sabal minor 'Lawrence'. These have unknown genetics but hardy enough to survive as low as -18F with no mulch on a south side of a building.

Northern Scotland got hammered last night. The coldest night of winter so far in the UK with -13.3C / 8F at Loch Glascarnoch in the Highlands of northern Scotland. Compared to a minimum of just 11.4C / 53F for SJP in central London. That is a difference of 24.7C between the coldest and mildest locations. The cold weather is coming back with a vengeance however. It is seeping south as I type this. We have another 4-5 days of below average temps to come now with some more frosts. Nothing major down south, but further up north it looks very cold. -15C / 5F is expected in parts of northern and central Scotland by the end of the week. This is likely going to be the peak of winter in the coming days with the effects of La Niña kicking in by mid-month, which means milder, Atlantic driven air masses from the west into the UK. It will also mean milder for the eastern and central parts of the US. Of course there are no guarantee’s, but this usually happened during La Niña winters, which tend to be front loaded for cold, normally.

We still wait to see your specimens! here are mine, the bigger had been bought from a nursery and the smaller was raised from an rps seed. Both lose fronds during summer instead of exploding with new growth. Instead they replace lost foliage from late autumn to late spring.

30F at my place. Absolutely terrifying🙃 This is why people get freaked out. Someone should be fired for writing this.

Here's one of my 5 big Alfredii, about 6.5 years from planting as a ~5' tall 3 gallon:

1st of 2 habitat locations visited that day. This particular spot felt like I’d jumped in a time machine and headed back to the Jurassic Period. Such a stunningly beautiful palm. Gunn Point.

Night two update 🫡

It briefly bottomed out at 24 here. 11 Hours below freezing last night. That cirrus deck stayed north of me and it didn't thicken in like I though it would. ... so it went down colder and longer a bit. I see no damages to the palms I didn't cover. This dry/cold air doesn't seem to be bothering them. I may cover them tomorrow if freezing precip looks closer to reality. Hi-res models are sticking with cold rain here now. I think that may hold up. The upper level low is holding back west more which should allow the surface to 850mb layer to warm up more and thicken. Surface temps during the precip event should be a degree or two above freezing where I am at. -Matt

Italy is full of works of art

Yeah but it's literaly still in the low to mid 40s at noon. It's not warming up almost at all from this am also been cloudy. The colder it is now the colder it will be tonight. This reminds me of christmas 2 years ago 40s during the day 20s overnight

Washingtonia in Jacksonville, N.C. Rare find for inland Onslow County. Link to Google Street View: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xnVPwdiSbMPj2QKr6

39 for the low this morning with a light steady wind. Warmer than forecast by a bit but tonight is the bigger question with patchy frost and 36 forecast. I know where in the yard will have issues so its just deciding what to cover, if anything. The clouds this morning need to leave and come back at dusk lol.

Sounds like they're maybe not ideal for down here in Antarctica...will just have to make do with the 50 other Chamaedorea species that are!

But is it all going to dump down the following week at the absolute worst point in winter? 😭 Please winter be over 🤮

Yuck! Snow. I will never ever in my life find any beauty in that gross white stuff.

I also live in a forest. That ice storm in 2023 event damaged my roof when one tree snapped and came down the side of the house. Here's a picture out the garage door and up the driveway the morning after ... spent a chunk of that day just trying to get out of he driveway. It took me a year to clean up all the mess right around the house. This past June I cleared out most of the dead branches that were left caught up in the crowns etc. There are still branches up there and they continue to fall out from time to time. Everything on the back acre of the property was left alone to come down, decay where ever it fell. -Matt

I don’t see any freeze damage on the hibiscus, even my neighbors large in ground fiddle leaf fig is not affected as of now hopefully tonight is the same 🤞🤞 30° again

Looks like Dallas and North Texas are about to get a decent winter storm. 2-6” of snow possible

Only 27F last night, but tonight will be a lot colder. My garage is full of plants, my foyer is full plants and my 110ft2 tent greenhouse is full of plants. I think I might have too many palms and cycads.

Meteorologists are always in a position of having to walk the tight-rope / high wire act. I remember one evening when I did the 10 PM weather forecast when I was on TV (1990s) in St. Joseph MO and it was a borderline case where the viewing area was either going to get snow (1 inch or so) or nothing based on the timing of a cold front, moisture, dynamics, etc. I thought that the precip. would stay to our east and just miss us. I did mention (verbally) that we could see some snow, but my forecast was for Partly Cloudy skies with a 30% of snow. (that's what was on the little graphic that the audience last saw on TV). In the end I was off by about 70 miles and we got an inch or two in the area. The next day I was in the grocery store and an irate viewer recognized me and got all over me about how I should come to his house and "scrape 3 inches of partly cloudy off his driveway". Lol, I chuckle about it now, but it does remind me of some realities facing meteorologists. When I worked with people at the Severe Storms Prediction Center we would often discuss the need to properly message watches and warning around Severe Thunderstorms and Tornadoes. Thunderstorms in itself was challenging, especially on days where it was "Conditional". Those kind of days you knew that * IF * a storm were to initiate it could quickly become severe. So, you have this scenario where you have >90% certainty that any storms that fire will be severe however there is only a 20 - 30% chance that a storm does initiate. That's what a Severe Thunderstorm Watch is for. However, I can recall many Watches that are issued and not a single storm initiates. Very easy to get pie on your face. It's one thing to be wrong, which they often are, but then you can't be the one / organization who gets labelled as "the boy who cried wolf". if you always "advertise" the worse case and it doesn't happen and now your audience doesn't trust you and you have lost them. Hyping up a model, etc results in the same thing. So, it's best to communicate a worse case scenario, that may not happen, but it should be worded / communicated as such. ... a possibility, one of many. A problem with these models, especially many days out, is they are very often wrong, but at the same time the scenario(s) that they are showing are within the realms of possible and are plausible. A forecast low of 0 F in Austin is well within climatological norms for January. However, if I see a model spit out -20F, that would be a very extreme outlier and certainly is suspect. Now throw the internet into things where anyone, scientists (with and wo agendas) professionals, amateurs, shock jocks, etc can now advertise, hype, etc and you end up with a mess. Who can you trust ? How plausible and possible is that model ? ....and you can add another 100 questions / suspects to the list. Back to Chester's point : This is that tight-rope. Houston hasn't seen cold in a year. People forget. Some simply never pay attention to the weather reports also. However, there are people who are working and living outside (homeless) and young kids standing waiting for a school bus in what is sub-freezing wind chills (my high school aged daughter would pay no attention to "dressing warmly" advice on the coldest days but somehow wears a hooded sweatshirt on a 100 F degree day ... a different argument). It's a real, legit danger to a few in this case. The Met. has to put this in his forecast. He will not be fired. If he didn't he would likely be in more trouble. Now if he hypes it up as some Armageddon .... @Chester B Please understand that I am not knocking on you at all, so please don't take it that way. I actually fully understand and can appreciate what you are saying. I remember my very first winter in Austin where I was in Colorado / Kansas for the better part of the prior 15 years. We had a cold front just like this. Near freezing temps and wind.....it was the coldest Austin saw in the past two-three years. That morning my wife and I got up, were getting ready to go to work, the local news station was going on about how cold it was and we both said, "crap, better throw on the jacket". So, we throw on the jacket, go outside to warm up the car and immediately threw the jackets off realizing that it wasn't cold at all. .... for us it wasn't cold, not at that time. Now, after 20 years here, yes it's jacket worthy (lol). -Matt

I didn't cover anything. I was below freezing for maybe 5 hours. Tonight will be similar, after that the warmth slowly returns.

Poncirus trifoliata is what they use for rootstock because its so hardy. I grew Poncirus in Ontario, Canada. The fruit is terrible and not even worth using as a seasoning. Its a primitive citrus. Most people grow the "Flying Dragon" variant because its such an interesting looking plant. There are many other Hardy types of citrus, but most are used for seasoning and not for fresh eating. Yuzu is probably the most common.

after the cold front, the orchids are waking up...

RIP the flamethrower but I was really trying to go for a neon/electric/outer space look with the gold crownshaft, silver Philodendron hastatum, and Monstera 'Thai Constellation'. There was once an attempt at an Alocasia maccrorhiza 'Lutea' in there too.

Emerging flowers on Merritt Island, Florida

Same palm outside my home front window.

Saturday March 8 I'll likely be in San Antonio

This was an advective super windy event, the wind was blowing out of the NW 15-20 mph all night. In a more common radiational freeze, there is a much bigger spread in temperatures across the area...usually 7-10 degrees with lots of water and UHI influence.

Yeah, they grow big pretty quick here! This one is my only Fenestralis, planted from a big 3g in April 2023. It's done well so far with a couple of upper 30s frosts, but hasn't really been tested...yet... It's more lime green in full sun here, where Alfredii is always deep green in sun or shade. I planted it too close to the walkway on the right, but that just means I'll have to aggressively prune it back for clearance.

Depending on the resource, people still might go back and forth about Barbadensis and Alta being the same, or very slightly different. All I know, is that ID’ing coccothrinax will drive you nuts! And the further away you get from Cuba and The Islands, the more mixed up and jumbled things get with all the hybrids sold as purebreds out there. Palmpedia is a great resource, but every entry under coccothrinax has erroneous IDs/photos mixed in. Probability wise, droopy fronted older randoms are usually heavy on the barbadensis/alta genes, and the very stiff older cardboard ones usually are miriguama descendants. For the rarer ones, knowing your parent source has a direct line to Cuba is the best bet. These guys hybridize like crazy. And some of the hybrids are quite handsome. I always preferred the stiffer varieties, and liked Thrinax radiata as a smaller, droopy pinnate palm better than the droopier coccos. But, we all have different tastes. Here’s just random photos of 5 different varieties in the yard, for fun…..

Beautiful palms, thanks for posting. They look perfect in their wild setting - no dead fronds hanging down or other things to detract from their appearance.

Flying Fox Creek is a well known spot for this palm, and it didn't disappoint.