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Someone requested an update on Copernicias so here it is: Copernicia Fallaensis I estimate that that is about 12 feet tall "trunk diameter" i estimate is 12 inches across

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A secons / smaller C. fallaensis About 4 feet tall

When I buy seeds or plants from a certain sp and they prove not to be pure, I always start in good will from the assumption that propagating material had been collected from a pure or pure looking specimen (otherwise I would be forced by logical necessity to accept that seller or the providers to him are crooks). So in your case Giuseppe your plant must have been offspring from a mother plant that is (or looks like) P paludosa, and if further your plant is indeed a hybrid, nearest candidate father (based only on the pic you posted) seems to be P rupicola (it sounds also reasonable, since most probably in the place where paludosa fruits had been collected, only more tropical P. sp. grow usually). Based on those assumptions (and only assumptions) I tend to say that genuine paludosa should be considerably more cold tender than rupicola and roebelenii, since the presumed hybrid is already more cold tender.

Perhaps ask Ken Johnson for his advice, when I think about copernicia I think of Ken

The entire decipiens complex is probably hardy, that one includes decipiens, betafaka #1, blue decipiens, and ambositrae. Most are 9b (hardy to 25F). The baronii/onilahensis complex is not hardy at all, just very cool tolerant, these are 10a plants (hardy to 28F). The robusta/prestoniana complex is pretty decent when it comes to hardiness, but still 10a plants. (Note: I rate hardiness according to where the palm grows bullet proof, not where it can eek out an existence with damage and occasional death. For example if the palm damages and/or dies 28F, then I rate it 10a.)

Show we the picture please :-D

It grows well here in full-sun, well-drained location.

Kris I have many species of phoenix pure and many phoenix hybrid these my phoenix paludosa , have nothing of phoenix canariensis,have nothing of phoenix rupicola,have nothing of phoenix roebelenii as I said before, I'm not sure if they are pure phoenix paludosa or phoenix paludosa hybrid resistance to cold is as that of the phoenix roebelenii ,perhaps phoenix roebelenii more resistant to cold than these, these will burn the leaves slightly in winter, to my roebelenii you do not burn the leaves in winter have soft leaves like those of roebelenii my still not suckers, I think it's still early this species is very very very slow!

If rupicola is equally to roebelenii cold hardy, then roebelenii can grow also in the winter for many years without problems until an exceptional cold spell say every 10, 15, 20 or even 40 years wipes all roebelenii out.

Here are pics of the 5 offsprings I have outplanted (three together and another two together). The plant in the first pic has produced the fragrant male inflorescence. Out of the five specimens only one has already started suckering. Kris, I am sorry if I have extended topic excessively, but I hope you find my information somehow useful!

Kris, very nice link above about the history of this plant. I always love growth history of palm specimens But I see that you have changed your opinion over the years, since you had been thinking at first that it was a hybrid (reclinata x CIDP). I have also read the link to Dave's Garden about this kind of hybrid, and I admit that a doubtlesly reclinata hybrid of mine has also CIDP in it according to this description. In the pics below my hybrid So far so good one may think, but I backcrossed it with another female reclinata of mine Below pic of my reclinata ... and one of the offsprings has already bloomed at a very, very, very young age and its male inflorescence was identically fragrant like the one of a dactylifera (male hybrid does not have fragrant flowers)!!!!! Admittedly I am not familiar with genuine reclinata's male inflorescences, but if they are not fragrant then the identity of original Phonix spss involved in my hybrid or even the purity of my female reclinata become questionable...

Hmmmmm - so these types of abrupt changes have occurred long before man even started burning hydrocarbons??? One question - who has the most to gain from the promulgating and public acceptance of these man made global warming theories?

*I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* *I will not exacerbate another global warming thread* My mantra, It's not helping!

Finally someone else says it, i try to stay away from this kind of topic but i don't like to be scolded for being a "Global Warming Denier", every few decades we need to invent problems to blame things on, Global Warming is what is in now. Ice in the arctic naturally dissapears when it gets warmer, then it reappears as it get colder, i think that is what these people see and they might not realize it. Besides, its not like the world would be so bad 1F warmer....

The rate at which the ice is melting in the arctic is a very interesting topic, but if it doesn't interest you, that's fine, but why don't you just ignore the thread instead of being so dismissive? Guess I could ignore it but I thought this was a discussion board. My bad. This topic is treated like a religion and the leaders of it are a part of the "do as I say not as i do" crew. To me it looks like a money making,power grabbing swindle. When you hear "global warming deniers are like holocaust deniers" that should throw a red flag to anyone. Since the industrial revolution I don't see anyone in SoCal growing a fruiting coconut or andonidias. If man made global warming is true then I really hope it starts cooking soon so I can get my yard to zone 11.

Am I the only one who's completely burned out on this topic? It's to hot...global warming, it's to cold...global warming, it's to dry...global warming, it's rains to much...global warming, lack of weather...global warming, its stormy...global warming, growing ice in Antarctica...global warming, shrinking ice in the arctic...global warming, I stubbed my toe...global warming, I caught a cold...global warming, my girlfriend left me...global warming,hbo canceled hello ladies...global warming, my palm trees are growing well...global warming, my palm trees are growing badly...global warming.....and on.....and on... and on.........

Seems like he's been hand selected to a very unique group......rhymes with "bump".

I worked as semi-official photographer yesterday as Karolyn Lundkvist opened the Lundkvist Palm Garden for a tour by members of HIPS (Hawaii Island Palm Society). Karolyn has kept up the garden very well since she took it over from Bo, and she has added color and interest with the use of bromeliads, orchids, etc. My first pic just shows the group milling about the entrance before the tour as more people continued to arrive. In the right center, Karolyn (yellow shirt) confers with Jeff Marcus, one of the two tour group leaders. The first palm right near the entrance area is described by Jeff as Dypsis leucomala, the name applied by John Dransfield to the species that has previously been known as Dypsis ceracea, Dypsis nauseosa, Dypsis tsaravoasira, and Dypsis ampasindavae. Picture three shows Karolyn and HIPS president Tim Brian organizing the two tour groups. Tim led the other group with help from Bill Austin. This Salacca magnifica looks a little ratty. The one next two it was in perfect shape, but it was difficult to get a good picture.