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Any thoughts on yucca brevifolia in a wet winter zone 7a? What’s the chances for long term survival with no protection 

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5 minutes ago, Meangreen94z said:

Keep it dry and warm during the winter until it hits a decent size. They are obviously hardy when bigger, that nursery is in the Denver area

You know better than I do, the hardiness ratings are always under perfect winter conditions. Winter weather is so weird here, it can shoot above and below freezing erratically in the same week. In January I’ve seen it go from raining and low of 40f for a few days to freezing rain to ice and below freezing for a few days to 70f and sun literally all in the same week. I’m starting to venture back into some experimental plants here. Your right, I’ll keep it covered and dry for the first few winters. Same with all the new agaves, what do you think clear plastic bin with holes for air flow?

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6 minutes ago, teddytn said:

Any thoughts on yucca brevifolia in a wet winter zone 7a? What’s the chances for long term survival with no protection 

Don’t waste your money. They don’t like wet altogether. I’ve tried several variants against the advice of others. I currently have the Barstow low elevation form from Ethical Desert Nursery. They are a faster growing form than others he’s grown so I was hopeful of better rain tolerance. They did well over the summer, no regression, no spotting, until about 2 weeks ago. I had one die back. It’s currently got a couple green leaves up top but will likely die. That has been my experience with the other forms, although this form has shown some promise. They are the least tolerant of water out of any yucca I have tried.

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5 minutes ago, Meangreen94z said:

Don’t waste your money. They don’t like wet altogether. I’ve tried several variants against the advice of others. I currently have the Barstow low elevation form from Ethical Desert Nursery. They are a faster growing form than others he’s grown so I was hopeful of better rain tolerance. They did well over the summer, no regression, no spotting, until about 2 weeks ago. I had one die back. It’s currently got a couple green leaves up top but will likely die. That has been my experience with the other forms, although this form has shown some promise. They are the least tolerant of water out of any yucca I have tried.

Perfect thank you! You’ve got better weather all together, if it won’t survive there, it has no chance here. How many inches of rain do you get a year roughly?

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Austin averages about 36” a year. 

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4 hours ago, Meangreen94z said:

Don’t waste your money. They don’t like wet altogether. I’ve tried several variants against the advice of others. I currently have the Barstow low elevation form from Ethical Desert Nursery. They are a faster growing form than others he’s grown so I was hopeful of better rain tolerance. They did well over the summer, no regression, no spotting, until about 2 weeks ago. I had one die back. It’s currently got a couple green leaves up top but will likely die. That has been my experience with the other forms, although this form has shown some promise. They are the least tolerant of water out of any yucca I have tried.

There's a Dwarf form that I see on the way to Las Vegas. Their right after Baker about 30 miles north. I'm not entirely sure it's Brevifolia but It looks exactly like it. It starts branching 6- 12" of trunk. There's 6 footers that look like really old Brevifolia! Really neat little Yucca. 

I have a Brevifolia in my backyard.  It's about 18 feet tall. The higher elevation ones I noticed are more robust & bluer! 3200-4000 ft seems to be the sweet spot for the best looking ones. Lower elevations are more green. 

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1 hour ago, Jubaea_James760 said:

There's a Dwarf form that I see on the way to Las Vegas. Their right after Baker about 30 miles north. I'm not entirely sure it's Brevifolia but It looks exactly like it. It starts branching 6- 12" of trunk. There's 6 footers that look like really old Brevifolia! Really neat little Yucca. 

I have a Brevifolia in my backyard.  It's about 18 feet tall. The higher elevation ones I noticed are more robust & bluer! 3200-4000 ft seems to be the sweet spot for the best looking ones. Lower elevations are more green. 


I bets it’s an amazing sight to walk outside to that.

I had one seedling of the dwarf form Yucca Brevifolia var. Jaegeriana a few years ago, while I was in Houston. It lasted about a year but rotted after we warmed up in spring. I might try another one day. We get about 20” less annual rain in Austin.  

I have one left of an extremely blue variant from Arizona, it’s hanging on by a thread. We haven’t had rain at my house in 2-3 weeks and it looks like it might actually be growing. I started out with 5 of them that were about 3 years old. They’ve slowly died one by one. So far this green variant from Barstow has done better. We had rain the majority of June  and they weren’t phased. Then we had 2 weeks straight of sun followed by 3-4 days of afternoon showers and the one regressed. The others all look 100% currently.

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Palmensammler

I'm trying to grow a Y. brevifolia for many years now but they never survived my wet winters. Now I got a dry place which can also be protected during winter time so I'll give it another try. Currently I have 7 seedlings that need to survive next winter inside an then one will be my last trial.  Or maybe I will never get rid of trying it another time....

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9 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

I'm trying to grow a Y. brevifolia for many years now but they never survived my wet winters. Now I got a dry place which can also be protected during winter time so I'll give it another try. Currently I have 7 seedlings that need to survive next winter inside an then one will be my last trial.  Or maybe I will never get rid of trying it another time....

Eckhard

It might be a combination of things, maybe to cold, not enough sun? How much rain do you get in winter?

They're habitat is my home here & we get usually 6-7 inches of rain during winter & up to 12"+ is not uncommon. All during winter.  We can get a ton of snow some years too. 2008/2009 winter we got 1.5-2 feet of snow here with a bit more in the higher elevation ( Oak Hills,Phelan, Pinon Hills.) 

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RyManUtah

The cactus is what caught my attention, but this is a nice planting of Yucca brevifolia jaegeriana

 

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Both are beauties.  

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On 8/14/2021 at 8:10 AM, Jubaea_James760 said:

It might be a combination of things, maybe to cold, not enough sun? How much rain do you get in winter?

They're habitat is my home here & we get usually 6-7 inches of rain during winter & up to 12"+ is not uncommon. All during winter.  We can get a ton of snow some years too. 2008/2009 winter we got 1.5-2 feet of snow here with a bit more in the higher elevation ( Oak Hills,Phelan, Pinon Hills.) 

Hi, looking into the winter of 2020 to 2021 I got about 240l/m² of rain from October to March. But I think the problem might be the humid and cold weather as my last Y. brevifolia was standing on my teracce complety dry without effects by rain.

But I will try again, maybe until the end of my live.......

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7 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

Hi, looking into the winter of 2020 to 2021 I got about 240l/m² of rain from October to March. But I think the problem might be the humid and cold weather as my last Y. brevifolia was standing on my teracce complety dry without effects by rain.

But I will try again, maybe until the end of my live.......

Eckhard

Goodluck Eckhard! I hope you have success :greenthumb:

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Hi Teddy,

Good buy. I have lots of Y. elata from seed I collected in 2019. The Y. faxoniana x rostrata will fore sure become a beauty. Will be interessting to see its developement.

Eckhard

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On 8/16/2021 at 6:53 AM, Jubaea_James760 said:

Goodluck Eckhard! I hope you have success :greenthumb:

Hi James,

Thank you. I hope too......

Eckhard

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Meangreen94z

Yucca Pallida, Agave Ovatifolia, and Agave Neomexicano still showing some signs of last February’s freeze

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Random shot outside Austin. Agave Asperimma and Opuntia Lindheimeri :

 

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Wonderful pictures.

Are all the Y. pallida single plants or offshots after flowering? Mine flowered a few years ago and died without sending up a new offshot. The one I bought 2 years ago is still too small for flowering.

The A. neomexicanas look good after the cold freeze. I have one little one which seems not to be growing as its size is quite the same than 5 years ago.

Eckhard 

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4 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

Wonderful pictures.

Are all the Y. pallida single plants or offshots after flowering? Mine flowered a few years ago and died without sending up a new offshot. The one I bought 2 years ago is still too small for flowering.

The A. neomexicanas look good after the cold freeze. I have one little one which seems not to be growing as its size is quite the same than 5 years ago.

Eckhard 

Thank you.

I saw a few dried out Pallida flower stalks broken off, no sign of seed,  it looked there were several single plants that offsetted into clumps.

The Neomexicano were all nice sized, with the largest being approximately 3 feet(1 meter) tall and wide. The largest Ovatifolia in that group photo were probably 6 feet(2 meters) wide.

This parking lot used to have huge yellow barrel cactus (Echinocactus Grusonii), but they were all killed in the freeze.

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Hi,

so my Y. pallida did something strange as it did not send offshots. Hope the new one will do better.

Currently the weather here is totally feeling like autumn. Cold, wet and windy.

I hate this.

Eckhatd

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Random Austin shots from the past couple days 

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Palmensammler

Wonderful pictures. Love these big Yuccas. 

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Thanks.

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Yucca Rupicola and Nolina Texana at Wild Basin Wilderness Preserve

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Yucca Treculeana, Yucca Rupicola, Dasylirion Texanum, Nolina Texana, Opuntia Lindheimeri, Echinocereus Enneacanthus at Pedernales Falls

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Can't get enough of these pictures.  Could you see if treculeana and rupicola do hybridize in the wild?

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20 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

Can't get enough of these pictures.  Could you see if treculeana and rupicola do hybridize in the wild?

Eckhard

I haven’t seen those hybridize myself, but I will keep an eye out. As mentioned elsewhere there are forms of Yucca Rupicola that have rigid leaves and no twists. To me it appears to be a population that has received extensive sun exposure, possibly over multiple generations. Rupicola seem to prefer some shade, sometimes growing under complete cover. I think they look best in just partial shade.

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I do have 4 seedlings of Y. rupicola (hopefully true form) which will become candidats for a test of this theory during the next years.

Eckhard 

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Some either older or trimmed Yucca baccata vespertina. 
 

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What yucca is this??  I've seen a few around town...

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On 8/15/2021 at 6:09 AM, RyManUtah said:

The cactus is what caught my attention, but this is a nice planting of Yucca brevifolia jaegeriana

 

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Those are the ones I see around here.. slightly different form.. make it confusing to ID.

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Some Yucca Brevifolia which I planted 2 weeks ago. Germinated within a few days and already this big :D

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Score! I passed this large Yucca (Aloifoloia probably) in the past few weeks I fell in love <3

I passed by again but had to keep moving... finally I wrote a note to the owner asking for a pup maybe. I found time stopped by and rang the doorbell... 

They were going to get rid of her! So I inherited this spiky lady!  @ around 8 feet, we are not the perfect couple but we can make it work!

Luckily I had an SUV for a loan car.  Love is also timing :D

I also just ordered the medio picta-version... maybe overkill @ two blondes but someones got to handle the juggling

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On 9/16/2021 at 11:08 AM, SailorBold said:

What yucca is this??  I've seen a few around town...

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Probably Aloifolia @ that holds its swords nicely... 

I have some green one too but they dont get very tall - beautiful!

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4 hours ago, DallasPalms said:

Probably Aloifolia @ that holds its swords nicely... 

I have some green one too but they dont get very tall - beautiful!

I don’t believe aloifolia  grows that wide.


I think it’s likely Yucca Valida, it’s a Yucca Brevifolia relative from Baja California. They can retain dense green leaves like that up to a certain height. Unfortunately not very hardy. I have one in a container.

 

Yucca Filifera and Decipiens are other possibilities, I had a Filifera retain a full trunk of leaves up to about 6 feet, before they started to brown. That was in wet conditions, it doesn’t look like it’s common in the desert. Yucca Decipiens  doesn’t seem to be very common.

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Natural Yucca Rupicola and Pallida hybrid in the Mount Bonnell area of Austin. 

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SailorBold

A cool trunking yucca..

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Blue Yucca Torreyi in Southwest Texas. The species can vary from dark green to blue/silver, and anywhere in between. These populations are from north of Rocksprings to west of Del Rio, around the Amistad Reservoir and Seminole Canyon.

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There are Yucca near Seminole Canyon along the border that resemble a dwarf Yucca Thompsoniana with varying leaf appearance/color. Most are trunkless, but older specimen have 1-2 feet of trunk at most. I suspected they were a hybrid of Yucca Thompsoniana x Reverchonii and was able to confirm as I headed north, a gradual shift in appearance towards Reverchonii, while retaining varying degrees of blue/green.A829FB2F-E50A-40D7-B29C-9F9651270026.thumb.jpeg.6c7300a0fe4460f816c06152e7f2b296.jpegA3B84234-B0CE-40A0-A58D-AD19ADCAD9DF.thumb.jpeg.3c88ad1ba63312f1db89f8b23c588bf0.jpeg6D936A36-0EF3-44B1-A907-683E0DA84D7E.thumb.jpeg.93aaea03ba68f8975c65ec1f06fd1c65.jpeg8904266E-EC8F-4065-81FC-037E5C39E742.thumb.jpeg.e5048e154b0df9ed02aefe531de21cf5.jpeg443FE7B9-CFC2-4145-9FAC-E9CCE68580C1.thumb.jpeg.d3167908f605d587431b57d8d0ca27c5.jpegE10F0CCA-870B-4FC2-B899-1E3563963133.thumb.jpeg.a7416451b3a9e311d49a9433c3a36f8a.jpeg7F7F85DD-FBD0-401F-B2C8-E0366179C6DD.thumb.jpeg.b626e80cfab546c734f89fb9e02edd07.jpeg35DA04E1-3247-4ACF-80E7-2A18D5801B55.thumb.jpeg.7eed7992668a8491aec55b23ca650ede.jpegFD465FBB-E8BE-4C9A-B675-838DA0ACCCC8.thumb.jpeg.e2d8bb306b53603adaaa40082076be67.jpegAB8AC121-E843-4569-9FC3-DA86004A3109.thumb.jpeg.dfe4df0e144e36c1c60a8aa44baea00b.jpegCB26F852-AD41-424B-A9B3-354A0DD99FF7.thumb.jpeg.b4989b2ece8cfe63b281e7717c968664.jpegC85741F7-60C5-4CAD-B271-909E74295B24.thumb.jpeg.c4599dd3334f4d15add6267d5f56c926.jpeg6E8301B2-5911-430E-A366-BD19A59216A1.thumb.jpeg.1fb583645882b6011b4494c930ddac7a.jpeg12FD44B8-8FAE-4314-B501-2C6C3F9D6950.thumb.jpeg.390d360ab5b0cc68304ff9c99437e9be.jpeg7D4AFDB4-2CD0-4546-B317-4CBB5EDD85CE.thumb.jpeg.1b72ed4a37b3c65af74bd298d6866808.jpegDD0AA1BA-816A-49DA-9BFF-F9ECFE493FCC.thumb.jpeg.185bcffa3165f7e8d78e08dff6c406ce.jpegC363EF39-8180-4CF6-8AE7-99D4AB9E43B0.thumb.jpeg.4de8987c33d72c0e61f2bfa445c09738.jpeg9259C0FE-D993-4373-A574-7B1C5CBF9BC0.thumb.jpeg.e74c357f9253caef8f32d0bb5fb157ea.jpeg84963D0E-D9A9-428D-A1D9-A33AEF302DCC.thumb.jpeg.1b3eb8c049335a469d6fe46abf386f89.jpegED05FB8C-B17A-480E-940B-634FAF470AB2.thumb.jpeg.6c7ec788ca41e8fa67994c10d3f2e28a.jpeg789310A4-C9EA-44E2-B696-06F8377C4DB6.thumb.jpeg.11b3844fe34671663ec5fe4877ec55c4.jpegBE798F59-1EF6-4649-B001-5705F692AA61.thumb.jpeg.2b9a50301a5be08be9748d525faa6a0e.jpeg688C06C3-E17B-4EBD-A097-A8311902B72E.thumb.jpeg.3bf5608291adc68326eb4585d4e0e313.jpeg61094F18-9380-4D98-8030-12EEC1BCBFA9.thumb.jpeg.46428d6144117d42f28ba266c197b9c9.jpeg86F4AB7B-0014-4E88-865F-3DA9D07DA2D4.thumb.jpeg.bf4d9679789901af45bc6192f83a188b.jpeg9110727E-2F2D-44C0-9F8F-D69CDADF1417.thumb.jpeg.a60563b528348633b980ad8663c4859f.jpeg8489D998-9E09-406A-9BD5-8157F2FC1B7B.thumb.jpeg.54502800d8dd331d321cfbf6826c7131.jpegCD2F7584-2D83-4587-AECC-372BAFF9108D.thumb.jpeg.9383ed6b2f488f87d9bc5bec6931e25c.jpeg13AF7EC1-D03F-4DE6-BD99-E5610E6D72DE.thumb.jpeg.625d9e3e7ab7d4f5711e058657943247.jpeg983642D3-5BD6-4CCB-B1B6-B9AC7ED621CF.thumb.jpeg.3dd1e7a1cb58fc3b2226116f50c5aacf.jpegD48F9A77-EF36-4E2E-A762-81314CCA44CB.thumb.jpeg.92fe4e3fa8f8b9ec06ce3fbab4e6a021.jpegA289B246-AE25-4238-8B1A-646E71FEC192.thumb.jpeg.e8679e8e8a408383cb5c6c8b84de8e9e.jpegC8746E6A-3221-4518-8A91-CDCFC3897936.thumb.jpeg.95457cf53fe68984198f59eca7b6b7f2.jpeg

 

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