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Yes, I too have noticed that specimen at Montgomery, I am pretty certain it is an A. cohune. They have auctioned seed before but I didn't make a bid because I mistrusted the i.d. on it. It's called coco de aceite due to its high oil content (as you note Attaleas in general are great biofuel sources) but so is A. cohune in its native range, so they could be easily confused if trying to order from here. Not sure what technicalities would have to be satisfied to get it here legally. I have thought about writing to the Botanical Garden in Puerto Vallarta but, again, trying to get a plant or seed would no doubt still be a headache. I wish I could find a fruiting one in a botanical garden somewhere in SoCal, but haven't seen one anywhere. Frustrating. I have a number of A. cohune here, several in the ground from a guy in Florida who really I think wouldn't know which species he had grown, he was vague about the trees from which he collected seed, so I'm thinking they could be A. phalerata or another species more commonly found in Florida; and I also have several still in containers from Jeff Marcus, his tree came from Inge Hoffman years ago and is the real, gigantic A. cohune from central America...not really what I wanted but I'm not getting any younger and they take about three years in the ground before they start pushing anything to speak of, probably looking at another 3-5 years before my biggest "Florida" specimen (which is quite happy in full, hot sun) starts to make an impression...so better what I have than nothing at all...and I doubt I'll ever see anything in this genus get much of a trunk on it, I understand it takes quite a number of years.

This is in SD area? I think there are a lot more palm enthusiasts in SD. I’ve never seen one in LA county. Im sure there are, but I just haven’t come across one. That’s not really slow growing if that was a 5 gallon. That seems moderate to me.

Lanonia dasyantha

Palmpedia lists a shot of one from Montgomery B.C. in Miami but, ...crown / leaflets on the pictured specimen look pretty different compared to a majority of iNat obvs. specimens of the same size, so 🤷🏽‍♂️ if it is a legit specimen or miss labeled. Seems ..based upon looking over other iNat. observed specimens and some noted on inat i could get a closer look at in town via street view, like this 👇🏽 ...and shots #2 and 5 in this observation: https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/331995932 Seems these start fruiting quite young so i'd imagine it wouldn't be hard for someone to track down a " city dweller " and collect a few seeds. I also saw somewhere else that oil is extracted / utilized from the seed, which makes me wonder if they'd be sold in market places there. How true that is, no clue ..but, if so, that might be source for seed that might pass a border inspection easier.

Nannorrhops also branch which if this palm is very old should be branching!!!

That’s where I got mine!

It’s Nannorrhops. I’d say probably N ritchiana. This trait is consistent with the genus. Think of costapalmate as a subset of palmate; in reality many, many palmate palms are costapalmate. From memory I think Nannorrhops is actually one of the few palm genera with fronds without hastulas.

Yes, those are Attalea guacuyule in Puerto Vallarta. The species runs in dry coastal forest from Nayarit down through Jalisco, Colima and on down to Guerrero. Significantly smaller than the gargantuan A. cohune (which takes over further down, in Central America) and it is quite coconut-y in appearance because it dispenses with the strict shuttlecock crown and when not overtrimmed has leaves hanging gracefully below the horizontal, as can be seen in the photos above. A splendid thing and you can see it in The Night of the Iguana, which was filmed in Mismaloya in a forest of these palms. This would be a great palm for the low desert of SoCal and Arizona as it loves heat and endures a seven-month dry season in its native habitat. Unfortunately it seems to not be in cultivation in the states and of course difficult to import seed at present. I'm not aware of any specimens in California, and just one that the late Al Bredeson grew from seed he brought back from Puerto Vallarta and planted at his house in Captain Cook, Hawai'i. His property was sold after his death and status of that palm, and any seed that may come from it, is apparently unknown.

Small flowering specimen in a pot. Died slowly from 20 F and ice. A larger inground specimen nearby saw around 21, dry and windy, with moderate damage.

@chad2468emr Good to hear from you again. You can try it, but you're probably just as well off buying another unless it is a variety that is hard to get. As @tt68camaro mentioned, it depends on where you go in Port Charlotte. In a lot of cold snaps, metro Orlando isn't that much colder than some of the other areas further south unless you are very close to water. You'll want to have water to your northwest, if possible. Even then, serious cold snaps can drop areas down there into the mid-20s just like we saw this winter if the wind blows the right way. If the house is paid off, give it some thought. @SeanK hit the nail on the head about not having a payment. Then there is insurance. It's a little easier to get insurance in Orlando than near the coast. That's assuming that the property is even insurable after the major hurricanes that have hit the gulf coast. Either way, good luck on transplanting - both the palm and yourselves - if you go through with either/both.

Has anyone even managed to germinate them? Just curious, I've been having this question for years and always forget to ask it.

Would this be palmate or costapalmate? Clearer picture on one frond, they are rather close together the way all the offshoot suckers are from the mother plant. The trunk fluff looks like the nannrops when I looked that up there is a slight possibility there’s another palm mixed in among the others the way they’re so clustered up hard to tell for me.

I’ve found them prone to drying out. Not sure how they’ll like Sam Frank’s Disco; might be too cool. But I’ll stand corrected if need be.

I’d give them shade especially the “H”; plus mucho agua.

I picked up a large Hoenei and a smaller 3g Wedellianum at the MB Palms open house in Orlando yesterday. How much sun are you giving these guys? Given inland central Florida sun may be a different beast.

Uh oh. Thats not promising. Thanks for the info though..

I still believe there is a population in both. They are literally native all the way up to the TN border, They may not be native in the areas that people have seen some populations but I do believe there is most likely a population in a part of the woods on the border that many people don't know about. I really do believe they are native to Virginia, This is something I have done a lot of research in there's not a lot but I have, so apparently from what I have heard on facebook there's a Hunting cabin on Cedar Island VA that has them planted all around it, But the thing was this cabin was probably built in the 40s or 50s? (I'm not really sure), and Sabal Minor was not really a popular thing in Virginia at this time, Also S minor really didn't become a widely available plant until the 80s (from what I have heard). Apparently there's a island in Back Bay VA That has a population of Sabal Minor I don't really know about this I asked this guy for an update But he said he hasn't heard anything since, and this was from about ten years ago. facebook post https://www.facebook.com/groups/695612837190143/permalink/1449550951796324/?rdid=KnKyWsLeyQMNBetO# https://www.facebook.com/groups/695612837190143/permalink/6458244154260287/?rdid=KKglZMl6JT6PGMvj#

I will sidestep the palm question and opine on the house. A paid-off mortgage is more valuable than a palm garden.

This straddles the line. If birds spread seed from native AL populations into TN, wouldn't the TN populations be native? However, if birds spread seed from a cultivated landscape from AL into TN, then neither is native.

Save yourself lots of time and hassle and buy a new one when you move. You can buy one that size for 50-75$ if you look around on Facebook marketplace. Be very weary of where you move in Port Charlotte though if you are not near the Peace river of Charlotte Harbor it will get just as cold as Central Florida in a cold snap. Saw multiple mid to upper 20 degree days in the area over the last few years.

I think that truly native sabal minor to Tennessee is unlikely. These, in my opinion are most likely spread via birds either from neighboring Alabama or from planting in nearby houses, though a truly native population isn’t out of the question. I just think this is too far north. Same goes for the possible Virginia population, colonial records show they existed up the Chesapeake at one point but have been wiped out either from cold or habitat loss. To me a population in VA seems more likely than Tennessee

Outside of the Malone United Methodist Church there is another DeFuniak or Brazoria looking palmetto. Malone is about 60 miles from DeFuniak springs. It definitely isn’t a palmetto. Most likely a sabal minor and palmetto hybrid. It could be the same as the DeFuniak palm or a brazoriensis or some other hybrid brought in and planted there.

Unlabeled large and spiny Aiphanes horrida:

...I'll let those more versed in telling them apart debate the " Which one is which " but, A couple nice Attalea ..guacuyule??.. near the Venetian in P.V. One next to the entrance.. ** Street view imagery captured May of last year ** Couple others along a nearby trail on the south side of the river, literally a handful of steps east of the road in front of the Venetian down there.. Not a bad stand - in, for a non - coconut. If that sp., don't recall much discussion about it here compared to the other sps.. Some Macaws ( Acrocomia aculeata ) further up the same trail.. ( Same side of the River, btw. ) Images from the trail may be dated < ..2014.. > but all palms are still where spotted today. Some iNat observations of the same Macaws as well.