Dypsis malcomberi

[jdapalms]

Jeff,

This does look like the same plant that I posted pictures of what ever it may be.

Jerry

[cfkingfish]

Len-

That brick pavement looks very familiar!  :cool:

[LJG]

(cfkingfish @ Feb. 06 2008,06:02)

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Len-

That brick pavement looks very familiar!  :cool:

Ssshhhh!  

[surferjr]

This is what my Dypsis malcomberi are starting to look like.

Wow has this been clarified as Dypsis malcomberi?

Real beauty!

[jdapalms]

Here are some photo's taken as of today. Notice the leaflets are starting to offset a little. It may be possible that this is the real Dypsis malcomberi. This palm is much slower growing than Dypsis pilulifera (Orange Crush) and does not resemble Orange Crush at this stage of growth. Dypsis Pilulifera leaves are also supposed to be arranged in 3 ranks. The similar species listed; of D malcomberi in POM are D pilulifera and D mananjarensis. I find the similarities to be interesting as my young D malcomberi's look very much like Orange Crush. The other batch of the mealy bug malcomberi that is around may be D mananjarensis as they look alike to me from other plants that I have.

Jerry

[BS Man about Palms]

Jerry-

I wonder if THATs the dypsis tsaravosira?

[bgl]

Bill,

Not even close! Here's a young D. tsaravoasira.

Bo-Göran

[PalmsZA]

Hi Guys

STUNNING Palms.....

Now I am really confused if Bo's plant is D.tsaravoasira. Then what on Earth is this? I always thought that is was a tsara. Maybe one of these has been i.d'd before but since we dont have access to many of the rarer Dypsis I havent really followed all the mystery posts..

Thanks

Dennis

Edited October 29, 2008 by PalmsZA

[surferjr]

Here are some photo's taken as of today. Notice the leaflets are starting to offset a little. It may be possible that this is the real Dypsis malcomberi. This palm is much slower growing than Dypsis pilulifera (Orange Crush) and does not resemble Orange Crush at this stage of growth. Dypsis Pilulifera leaves are also supposed to be arranged in 3 ranks. The similar species listed; of D malcomberi in POM are D pilulifera and D mananjarensis. I find the similarities to be interesting as my young D malcomberi's look very much like Orange Crush. The other batch of the mealy bug malcomberi that is around may be D mananjarensis as they look alike to me from other plants that I have.

Jerry

Great pictures Jerry,

I have many litters of D malcomberi from 3 seed source and some look much like D mananjarensis....others not.

I think you nailed the head on the button!

One thing is for sure D malcomberi is not D mananjarensis...... like many are saying!

[surferjr]

Bill,

Not even close! Here's a young D. tsaravoasira.

Bo-Göran

WOW BO!!

That's a jem of a palm!!! Looks like the new leaf opening of my Metroxylon vitiense.

[bgl]

Dennis,

Your palm looks like an Orange crush. This is what happened: the palm in my photo in post #48 above was initially (10-12 years ago) sold under the Dypsis ceracea name. And this is of course a valid name. Then around 2001 someone said "no, that's not the true D. ceracea. It's actually D. nauseosa", and then we used that name until just a few months ago. When Dr. John Dransfield was here on the Big Island in July he positively identified this palm as the true D. tsaravoasira. And that's the palm in post #48.

Now, your palm, assuming it is an Orange crush, WAS indeed sold under the D. tsaravoasira name for quite a few years. JD, from flowers and seed, has identified this as D. pilulifera. There has since been some controversy whether this is indeed the correct name (because of some discrepancies between POM and actual characteristics of Orange crush palms), but JD believes these discrepancies can fall within the variability of the species.

Bo-Göran

[BS Man about Palms]

Ok Bo- A little thread hijack here, but this palm I got well over a year ago (maybe 2 years?) at JDA's as D. ceracea is a D. tsaravosira? (seen in its 24" box, getting ready for planting... )

Bill

[bgl]

That certainly looks like the true D. tsaravoasira. Does it open with a pinkish new frond?

[BS Man about Palms]

That certainly looks like the true D. tsaravoasira. Does it open with a pinkish new frond?

Most definitely, then it went to a light copper, then dark copper, then green. I kept meaning to take a pic, never got around to it.

Are ALL the old nauseosas now tsaravosira too? Or which is which?

[bgl]

Bill,

I do believe that all the palms sold as either D. ceracea or D. nauseosa over the last dozen years or so are in fact D. tsaravoasira. My guess is that neither ceracea nor nauseosa has been introduced into cultivation. And if someone disagrees, show us a photo! I don't mind being proven wrong! As a matter of fact, that would be pretty exciting...

Bo-Göran

[PalmsZA]

Dennis,

Your palm looks like an Orange crush. This is what happened: the palm in my photo in post #48 above was initially (10-12 years ago) sold under the Dypsis ceracea name. And this is of course a valid name. Then around 2001 someone said "no, that's not the true D. ceracea. It's actually D. nauseosa", and then we used that name until just a few months ago. When Dr. John Dransfield was here on the Big Island in July he positively identified this palm as the true D. tsaravoasira. And that's the palm in post #48.

Now, your palm, assuming it is an Orange crush, WAS indeed sold under the D. tsaravoasira name for quite a few years. JD, from flowers and seed, has identified this as D. pilulifera. There has since been some controversy whether this is indeed the correct name (because of some discrepancies between POM and actual characteristics of Orange crush palms), but JD believes these discrepancies can fall within the variability of the species.

Bo-Göran

Thanks for that Bo!!!

[bgl]

Dennis - you're welcome!

As I was looking for a file photo of a juvenile Dypsis sp. bejofa for one of the other threads I came across this photo, taken in March 2006, and thought it would be of interest. This is a somewhat larger individual than the one in my photo above, but clearly displays another characteristic of a young D. tsaravoasira: each new frond is considerably longer than the previous one, maybe by 30-35%.

[BS Man about Palms]

Bo- Thats only in Hawaii!! Here in SoCal, to have one of any size, it will have been in a green house a while, Once in the sun, the leaves will go backwards in size!!! EVENTUALLY they might start getting bigger again...

[Jeff Searle]

Bo- Thats only in Hawaii!! Here in SoCal, to have one of any size, it will have been in a green house a while, Once in the sun, the leaves will go backwards in size!!! EVENTUALLY they might start getting bigger again...

Billy Boy,

Your in the frigid cold there,remember? You should stick to Trachy's and Phoenix. naaaa, just kidding.

Jeff

[BS Man about Palms]

Bo- Thats only in Hawaii!! Here in SoCal, to have one of any size, it will have been in a green house a while, Once in the sun, the leaves will go backwards in size!!! EVENTUALLY they might start getting bigger again...

Billy Boy,

Your in the frigid cold there,remember? You should stick to Trachy's and Phoenix. naaaa, just kidding.

Jeff

Hey, didn't you get in the 50's this week?

[bgl]

OK, forget everything I said!

[palmtreesforpleasure]

Hello all persons interested in Dypsis malcomberi, the one that i got from Jungle music 2 years ago, (just got out of Aussie Quarantine) is the same as the one i bought as D malcomberi in Queensland 2 months ago By the way, the reason i bought it was an Aussie Palmtalk member was convinced the USA form was different.

Hope this might clear conversations about differences between the countries on this species

regards

Colin

[Gtlevine]

Bo is correct, the real Nauseosa is different than what everyone has. I saw them in habitat and they are not even close.

As far as Malcomberii, Jerry's palms have regular leaflets. I saw Dypsis Malcomberii in habitat and it did not have regular leaflets. This was also one of the biggest let downs of all the palms I saw in Madagascar. Adult Malcomberii's were downright ugly. Queen Palms are more attractive.

Gary

[surferjr]

Bo is correct, the real Nauseosa is different than what everyone has. I saw them in habitat and they are not even close.

As far as Malcomberii, Jerry's palms have regular leaflets. I saw Dypsis Malcomberii in habitat and it did not have regular leaflets. This was also one of the biggest let downs of all the palms I saw in Madagascar. Adult Malcomberii's were downright ugly. Queen Palms are more attractive.

Gary

WOW :drool:

[jdapalms]

Bo is correct, the real Nauseosa is different than what everyone has. I saw them in habitat and they are not even close.

As far as Malcomberii, Jerry's palms have regular leaflets. I saw Dypsis Malcomberii in habitat and it did not have regular leaflets. This was also one of the biggest let downs of all the palms I saw in Madagascar. Adult Malcomberii's were downright ugly. Queen Palms are more attractive.

Gary

Gary,

The Orange Crush also has regular leaflets, yet Dransfield matched it up to Dypsis pilulifera which is documented with leaves 4-9 in 3 ranks. Apparently leaf arrangements can vary on species, for example I have here in Hawaii a Dypsis madagascariensis with regular leaflets, there are not many around like it, I think I showed it to you when you were here. I'm maintaining the name that came with the seed until I know better. I believe the seed came from Alfred.

The pictures I see of Dypsis malcomberi do not give me the impression of being ugly but again these are just pictures and then of course beauty is all in the eyes of the beholder.

Jerry

[jdapalms]

I heard that there is a Dypsis malcomberi in the Sullivan garden, so I visited the garden the other day to find this palm. This Dypsis in the picture is what I suspect to be D malcomberi. The D malcomberi that I am growing have similar features in more juvenile stages of growth. I think that it is possible that they can be the same.

[Gtlevine]

Jerry, the palm in the photo is a nice palm, it looks nothing like the D. Malcomberii in habitat. The ones I saw were very large palms and were very ugly. What you said of course is true, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is also true is palms in habitat general do not look as good as palms in cultivation, so I'm sure that is part of it.

Gary

[Urban Rainforest]

Jerry that palm at Pauleen's is gorgeous! Thanks for posting.

Steve

[deezpalms]

Jerry, what a nice looking palm even if it isn't malcomberii.

[BS Man about Palms]

I heard that there is a Dypsis malcomberi in the Sullivan garden, so I visited the garden the other day to find this palm. This Dypsis in the picture is what I suspect to be D malcomberi. The D malcomberi that I am growing have similar features in more juvenile stages of growth. I think that it is possible that they can be the same.

So Jerry, if I understand this right, you are somewhat sure that the same palm that YOU have been selling as Dypsis malcolmberi, is the same as this palm at Pauleens?

That's not a bad thing at all!!!

[jdapalms]

I heard that there is a Dypsis malcomberi in the Sullivan garden, so I visited the garden the other day to find this palm. This Dypsis in the picture is what I suspect to be D malcomberi. The D malcomberi that I am growing have similar features in more juvenile stages of growth. I think that it is possible that they can be the same.

So Jerry, if I understand this right, you are somewhat sure that the same palm that YOU have been selling as Dypsis malcolmberi, is the same as this palm at Pauleens?

That's not a bad thing at all!!!

Bill, What I am sure about is that my D malcomberi are not D Orange Crush and it may be possible that the Sullivan D malcomberi is the same, like I mentioned I see some similarities.

Jerry

[surferjr]

This is what my Dypsis malcomberi are starting to look like.

This surely looks like the Dypsis malcomberi from the Marcus Dransfield Madagaska trip!!

[MattyB]

bumparooooo

[Joe palma]

Ditto.....bumparoooo for sure!

These are some real nice looking Dypsis and I would love to see some recent pics of them and hear more of what is thought about them these days.

I have one of Jerry's malcomberi as well

[richnorm]

Ditto.....bumparoooo for sure!

These are some real nice looking Dypsis and I would love to see some recent pics of them and hear more of what is thought about them these days.

I agree, is it still thought that the one with a red mealy petiole the real malcomberi or is it maybe just a form of mananjarenis? If so could Jeff's be the real one (which ends up looking like Pauline's)? Surely malcomberi should be much more cool tolerant than manajarensis. Is this evidenced in the growth of these young plants?

cheers

Richard

[BS Man about Palms]

Thanks for the bump. I was thinking about this thread when I made that assumption on Mattys thread yesterday! It would tie the discrepancies together.

I think Jerrys malcolmberi IS pilulifera! (and thus Pauleens)

It has the ranking of leaflets AND tomentum that Gary Levine poionted out as lacking on Bo's Orange crush. (Now, could similarities at a small size also indicate that the standard method of identifying them (flowers, leaf arrangements) would cause the mix-up?) I believe the "Bo orange crushes" are smooth?

So if that was the case WHAT are the orange crushes?

Bo, Jerry? you still read these threads?

[LJG]

So if that was the case WHAT are the orange crushes?

Pretty sure JD said the were D pilulifera.

[BS Man about Palms]

So if that was the case WHAT are the orange crushes?

Pretty sure JD said the were D pilulifera.

Got that part Len.

But Gary and several others at the time said many parts of Bo's palms DIDN'T fit the descriptions (namely Bo's missing the ranked/multi-rowed leaflets and tomentum.) I'm saying that Jerrys at a small age look nearly identical to Bo's then GROW INTO a match of the D. pilulifera description in the POM.

I just asking/stating would similar looks at youth possibly mean easy mis ID when it is not DNA based?

[MattyB]

I was reading POM last night and D. malcomberi there is a mention of ramenta and the grownshaft is a yellowy/green, no mention of tomentum/fuzz. So this would discount Jerry's/Pauleen's plants as D. malcomberi.

[BS Man about Palms]

I was reading POM last night and D. malcomberi there is a mention of ramenta and the grownshaft is a yellowy/green, no mention of tomentum/fuzz. So this would discount Jerry's/Pauleen's plants as D. malcomberi.

Matty, look at the picture for D. pilulifera in POM. Doesn't it look REALLY close to Pauleens pictured on post #66?