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Large Sabal ID request

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This is as Lakes Park in Fort Myers. Very distinct from Sabal palmetto seen nearby. Leaflet tips don't droop at all, unlike the big S. causiarum types I'm used to seeing. Tons of large seed on the ground - 12mm in diameter x 8mm high. Any info?

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    its not sabal palmetto for sure, seed is too large and the petioles are too thick. Its also not sabal causiarum, seed too large, petioles too thin. Maybe sabal mexicana(texicana). Seed is too large for bermidana too.

    Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

     

    Tom Blank

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    1 hour ago, sonoranfans said:

    its not sabal palmetto for sure, seed is too large and the petioles are too thick. Its also not sabal causiarum, seed too large, petioles too thin. Maybe sabal mexicana(texicana). Seed is too large for bermidana too.

    I initially thought Sabal mexicana too based on the seed, but I wasn't sure if the leaves looked right. I think S mexicana looks more similar to palmetto but I'm not as familiar with it. My other idea was S. blackburniana, but can't find much information on that one of course. I don't know if the seed is supposed to be large or not.
    14 hours ago, aabell said:

    I initially thought Sabal mexicana too based on the seed, but I wasn't sure if the leaves looked right. I think S mexicana looks more similar to palmetto but I'm not as familiar with it. My other idea was S. blackburniana, but can't find much information on that one of course. I don't know if the seed is supposed to be large or not.

    Scott Zonas monograph is the seminal paper on differentiating Caribbean sabals:

    https://scholarship.claremont.edu/aliso/vol12/iss4/2/

    First pic looks like palmetto on the right contrasted with sabal in question on the left. The fruits and inflorescences are more informative than leaves. Drooping leaflet tips could be climate influenced. They are costpalmate it appears and some are pencil pointed at the bud so they are not happy. Those sabals have seen some drought and look over trimmed so its hard to see what they would look like if happy. Not sure blackburniuana is even a recognized species but I had (2) supposedly blackburniana when I was in arizona. I saw the mother "bl;ackburniana" tree too and it was a medium thick trunked sabal, around 2 ft+ thick with leaf bases on, certainly not palmetto as the petioles were 3" thick across near the trunk.

    Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

     

    Tom Blank

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