Polar Vortex Jan 2025 - Are you preparing your palms?

[Ivanos1982]

Just uncovered my king palm for a bit and she looks ok so far... will re-cover as we will freeze again tonight. Didnt use the handwarmers as I had to be at my other house during the event. So the sheet covers were all she had. Everything seems alive so far.  My queens look fine but they take a while to show damage.  Little ravenea is fine, not sure about the bigger one as i didnt peak at that one. We will see in a week. 20 was the min at my yard. Im in West Houston and my backyard faces the northeast. 

[_nevi]

4 hours ago, PalmSupreme said:

All-time lowest temperatures in 2025, who had that on their cards? The Gulf of Mexico has been record hot in recent months. Records which stood for 130 years broken.  A palm destruction event for parts of America’s Deep South certainly historic will be talked for years to come.

Single digit °Fs right on the Gulf Coast are pukesville. It's especially rough since Lafayette pushed 110°F in August 2023.

I truly hate how these temperature extremes ruin otherwise wonderful climates.

[Chester B]

I went out and its pretty much total carnage to a lot of my non palmy plants.  Robustas are already showing bronzing to the leaves, but I wrapped the spears so hopefully they don't spear pull on me and grow out of this by June.  Everything I protected I'm going to leave until tomorrow or Friday to unwrap.  One more coldish night tonight at around 28F

[_nevi]

49 minutes ago, Ivanos1982 said:

Just uncovered my king palm for a bit and she looks ok so far... will re-cover as we will freeze again tonight. Didnt use the handwarmers as I had to be at my other house during the event. So the sheet covers were all she had. Everything seems alive so far.  My queens look fine but they take a while to show damage.  Little ravenea is fine, not sure about the bigger one as i didnt peak at that one. We will see in a week. 20 was the min at my yard. Im in West Houston and my backyard faces the northeast. 

How much snow did you end up getting?

[Ivanos1982]

1 minute ago, _nevi said:

How much snow did you end up getting?

I got like 2.5 inches 

[_nevi]

2 minutes ago, Ivanos1982 said:

I got like 2.5 inches 

I think the ideal with snowfall as that the event happens completely overnight, clearing by sunrise. That way, there'd a least be a full day of warmup/sunlight to melt things off.

Otherwise, dewpoints would be the only other protector. Those ugly temps in Lafayette, Baton Rouge, Gulfport, Mobile, etc would not have happened had dewpoints stayed high. Continentality is a killer, as @mthteh1916 mentioned.

Speaking of which, New Orleans may need to be watched tonight. As @Xenon mentioned, they are the final bastion of queen palms on the northern Gulf Coast. But they received loads of snow, meaning still lots left to melt. Still 4 inches of snow depth as of 6PM today. Their setup today is also more favorable for radiational cooling (due to less wind). Only saving grace would be if any upper-level cloud cover can limit cooling.
 

[Ivanos1982]

2 minutes ago, _nevi said:

I think the ideal with snowfall as that the event happens completely overnight, clearing by sunrise. That way, there'd a least be a full day of warmup/sunlight to melt things off.

Otherwise, dewpoints would be the only other protector. Those ugly temps in Lafayette, Baton Rouge, Gulfport, Mobile, etc would not have happened had dewpoints stayed high. Continentality is a killer, as @mthteh1916 mentioned.

Speaking of which, New Orleans may need to be watched tonight. As @Xenon mentioned, they are the final bastion of queen palms on the northern Gulf Coast. But they received loads of snow, meaning still lots left to melt. Still 4 inches of snow depth as of 6PM today. Their setup today is also more favorable for radiational cooling (due to less wind). Only saving grace would be if any upper-level cloud cover can limit cooling.
 

The snow we had in Houston is weird to me. Im used to much softer snow that sparkles in the sun and has tiny tiny spikes if u look closer.  In New Mexico  mountains it falls much slower. This looks more like the ice in slushies... it also has taken FOREVER to melt even in the sun. 

[UK_Palms]

Goodness me. I’ve just been going over the data for our freeze earlier this month which saw the coldest January temperature in the UK for 15 years since 2010. Well the absolute lowest PWS reading that I can see in England is only -12.4C / 9.7F in the Pennine mountains of northern England at the notorious Laneshawbridge site. I don’t know of any other sites in England that have got colder than this and it is highly unlikely.

Laneshawbridge’s coldest night near Colne…

 

Given that a PWS in Florida has recorded -17C / 2F overnight, that means that Florida’s lowest temperature this winter is actually about 5C / 9F colder than England’s coldest temperature this winter. You couldn’t make this sh*t up. 💀☠️

 

Going by official Met Office stations, nowhere in England has even come close to 10F this winter. Not even the mountain sites like Shap and Topcliffe in the far north. England’s coldest Met Office station so far is Shap with -11C / 12F. That despite the coldest January temperature in the UK since 2010 and the coldest first half of a January in general since 2010.

-11.2C / 12F is England’s ‘official’ lowest max this winter. Northern Scotland had -18.7C two weeks ago however, which was the coldest January temperature in 15 years for the UK, since 2010.

 

However southern Louisiana may well have beaten Scotlands coldest January temperature in 15 years even with that -3F.

 

[amh]

I had about 1/3 an inch of snow and bottomed out around 15F last night. I only protected my Brahea dulcis, which are now discolored, with a tarp and a ring of 1 gallon water bottles. My Sabals, sagos, and Chamaedorea radicalis are unfazed, but I lost 2 Cereus repandus, one of which was 6 feet tall.

[JD in the OC]

Supposed to hit 40deg F as a low here early Saturday morning.  I got two heaters on my Cyrtostachys and wrapped my Caryota ophiopellis.  All my other palms should be fine. 

Also, this will be a good test for my Adonidia dransfeldii. It got a tiny bit of burn last winter. Being from PNG it's prob fairly tropical. I'm hoping it will be fine.

[SailorBold]

On 1/21/2025 at 7:51 AM, jwitt said:

Can we play too? 

Rio Rancho/ABQ

Alamogordo 

We dropped to 19f this morning.. whereas abq dropped to 10f..?  Did you see that?

[jwitt]

12 minutes ago, SailorBold said:

We dropped to 19f this morning.. whereas abq dropped to 10f..?  Did you see that?

Yeah, saw the 10f and checked my patio, 20f. 

This was yesterday afternoon, 325pm.

[mthteh1916]

8 hours ago, Tropicdoc said:

Sun is getting low and we still have plenty snow on the ground.

forecast is 20 tonight. Was 16 last night. 
my backyard smells like dead plants.

Houma Terrabone NWS station at the airport records less than 12F for this morning. Are you that much warmer than the airport?

[Sabal_Louisiana]

Regarding the minimum temperature in Houma:

The Sugarcane Research Station NW of the city and cold prone because it is on open land had 13F. Their office in the middle of town with a Davis setup had 15F. 
Local PWS around the area were pretty much all low to mid teens.

In neighboring St. Mary Parish, local weather stations right around Morgan City had 19 to 22F for lows in a favorable microclimate. They used to have a coop station there but they started using the automated readings from the airport in Patterson several miles west of town. It reached 8 or 9 degrees there Wednesday morning.

Queens in Morgan City will be burnt but they might have a chance. Most of the big ones came back eventually after similar temps in 2021.

[jwitt]

 

3 hours ago, jwitt said:

Yeah, saw the 10f and checked my patio, 20f. 

This was yesterday afternoon, 325pm.

Meanwhile 23 houses away......

[NBTX11]

20 hours ago, MarcusH said:

Sunrise is an hour away and so far we bottom out at 25°F today in NE San Antonio.  Inside loop 410 should be warmer.  The danger is over for now . San Antonio has performed better than Houston , LA and Northwest Florida so far.  This is still a long stretch of cold weather but in our area nothing severe at all. All palms should be in good shape . I'll check our neighbors CIDP in a few days.  The ultimate low during the artic storm  was 25.2°F measured at the Randolph Air Force Base weather station.  NWS predicted our lows to low. AccuWeather app had actually more accurate predictions within 24 hours . 

Yes looks like San Antonio fared great. The low seems to have been 25 during this cold snap. Way better than points east. We also did not see the snow of points east. A big nothing burger for here. If this is the lowest we get then we’re still a 9b winter. Your Robusta and Canary dates should be fine and hold their crowns. 
 

As far as the TX vs Europe thing, it was freaking 90 degrees here 3 weeks ago. When is the last time anyone in Europe saw 90F. Did anywhere in the UK make it to 90F at any point in 2024. It did here in the dead of winter. 

[Manalto]

On 1/21/2025 at 8:23 PM, Dartolution said:

Close to 10" in Daphne!

Roughly 9" in Enterprise, 8" in Fairhope. 

Gulf Shores and the Panhandle just look bizzare with all the snow. 

@Manalto How did you fare down there? 

 

We didn't get so much as a flake here. 

About 6" of snow on Tuesday in Chickasaw. Some of the forecasts had predicted wet wintry mix, but it came down quite fluffy, so maybe it provided some insulation for dieback perennials. I recorded 13°F for a low temperature Wednesday a.m., but my next door neighbor said his app gave him a low of 11°F.  It looks like my Chamaedoreas are goners. I'm most concerned about my mule palm, which is now a good size, and the last remaining source of "sitting" shade on the property.

This morning's low is expected to be 17°F.

The interior temperature of my leaky, partially-restored old house is now a cozy 54°F.  (The heating system can't keep up.) My usual upbeat disposition is being put to the test.

[UK_Palms]

2 hours ago, NBTX11 said:

As far as the TX vs Europe thing, it was freaking 90 degrees here 3 weeks ago. When is the last time anyone in Europe saw 90F. Did anywhere in the UK make it to 90F at any point in 2024. It did here in the dead of winter. 

Who even made any comparisons with Europe and Texas specifically? 🤔

I only mentioned about how cold North America gets in general during winter compared to Europe and the fact that northwest Florida has got about 5C / 9F colder than anywhere in England this winter. That is quite worthy of being pointed out. I haven’t mentioned anything about Texas though.

As for heat in general, you’re at 29N latitude, so a lot of year-round heat is expected. The polar incursions less so. And these polar blasts seem to be a pretty common occurrence post 2020. I mean the southern tip of Spain is at 36N and doesn’t get even remotely close to how cold it can get during winter in the southern states of the US, excluding say south Florida and coastal California. The Isles of Scilly are at 50N and haven’t gone below 40F this winter as well. So North America in general gets brutally cold polar incursions.

Anyway, I am seeing the first signs of another polar vortex in the forecast models for the States going into February possibly. More east based though, likely effecting the northeast and Carolina’s worst. Something to keep an eye on. It’s not looking good if you are in New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia etc. I wouldn’t bother unwrapping anything for weeks. This could trend more central based in the coming days, but I think Texas is safe.

[MarcusH]

4 hours ago, NBTX11 said:

Yes looks like San Antonio fared great. The low seems to have been 25 during this cold snap. Way better than points east. We also did not see the snow of points east. A big nothing burger for here. If this is the lowest we get then we’re still a 9b winter. Your Robusta and Canary dates should be fine and hold their crowns. 
 

As far as the TX vs Europe thing, it was freaking 90 degrees here 3 weeks ago. When is the last time anyone in Europe saw 90F. Did anywhere in the UK make it to 90F at any point in 2024. It did here in the dead of winter. 

Yes , so far we've been doing good and I hope it stays this way . We still have a few weeks left before we're completely out of the woods. Let's keep our fingers crossed because I think us people in the San Antonio/ Austin region need a break from the last 4 years of cold winter weather. 

As far as continent climate comparison goes I find it childish and has nothing beneficial to provide.  There isn’t anything we can do to shape our topography here in America.  

[MarcusH]

1 hour ago, UK_Palms said:

Who even made any comparisons with Europe and Texas specifically? 🤔

I only mentioned about how cold North America gets in general during winter compared to Europe and the fact that northwest Florida has got about 5C / 9F colder than anywhere in England this winter. That is quite worthy of being pointed out. I haven’t mentioned anything about Texas though.

As for heat in general, you’re at 29N latitude, so a lot of year-round heat is expected. The polar incursions less so. And these polar blasts seem to be a pretty common occurrence post 2020. I mean the southern tip of Spain is at 36N and doesn’t get even remotely close to how cold it can get during winter in the southern states of the US, excluding say south Florida and coastal California. The Isles of Scilly are at 50N and haven’t gone below 40F this winter as well. So North America in general gets brutally cold polar incursions.

Anyway, I am seeing the first signs of another polar vortex in the forecast models for the States going into February possibly. More east based though, likely effecting the northeast and Carolina’s worst. Something to keep an eye on. It’s not looking good if you are in New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia etc. I wouldn’t bother unwrapping anything for weeks. This could trend more central based in the coming days, but I think Texas is safe.

You're someone who likes to put fuel to the the fire don't you ? People over here already lost a lot of palms during the last 4 years and even before,  but lately it seems to be more frequent.  Lots of fear mongering coming from your side then you start your Europe vs America temperature comparison.  What's that going to change ? You make it sound like the UK is the best place to grow palms on earth.  Even if that would be the case , we don't care. Us palm growers in America we're attached to our palms and every winter is a gamble ,whether we get hit or not by a severe artic blast. Looks like you can't wait for another severe artic cold to come down to the southern part of the U.S. 

[PAPalmtrees]

Just watch this video from the weather channel looks like we're gonna have a mild February https://weather.com/forecast/national/news/2025-01-22-february-march-april-2025-temperature-forecast-outlook

[ahosey01]

So far the unequivocal winner here in Brownsville as far as tender palms go are the largest, fattest foxtails.  Some are entirely undamaged and others just got frost-nipped on the tops of the fronds.  Despite 12 hours at freezing or below, and 1-2 hours around 28F, they seem fine.  There's a 12-15ft one by my house that doesn't even have minor frond discoloration.  This is consistent with what I saw earlier this year - big royals had a lot of cosmetic damage from that freeze but the foxtails didn't really.

Next is the big royals.  Most of these look fine... some minor cosmetic bronzing on the top sides of the lower leaves.

Small foxtails took slightly more cosmetic damage.  Small royals look awful, but they'll be fine.

Majesties under canopy look fine, majesties in the open got nipped.  Bottles look really bad.  My own kings look bad.  Ptychosperma down the street got completely roasted.  My traveler's palm's leaves are goners.

Then the obvious stuff like queens, bismarcks, royals, etc. were basically untouched.

The only big cocos left is in Port Isabel but they didn't get much of a freeze so I'm sure it's fine.

[ahosey01]

1 hour ago, MarcusH said:

You're someone who likes to put fuel to the the fire don't you ? People over here already lost a lot of palms during the last 4 years and even before,  but lately it seems to be more frequent.  Lots of fear mongering coming from your side then you start your Europe vs America temperature comparison.  What's that going to change ? You make it sound like the UK is the best place to grow palms on earth.  Even if that would be the case , we don't care. Us palm growers in America we're attached to our palms and every winter is a gamble ,whether we get hit or not by a severe artic blast. Looks like you can't wait for another severe artic cold to come down to the southern part of the U.S. 

Move down here bro you can have foxtails lol

[Chester B]

1 hour ago, MarcusH said:

Yes , so far we've been doing good and I hope it stays this way . We still have a few weeks left before we're completely out of the woods. Let's keep our fingers crossed because I think us people in the San Antonio/ Austin region need a break from the last 4 years of cold winter weather. 

I sure hope you guys get that break, it would be nice to see at least one area get through relatively unscathed.

And Marcus guess what?  My robustas are already bronzing off.  They were planted because I got them at a decent size and they were dirt cheap.  I was hoping to get a few years out of them while all my hardier, younger, slower growing palms put on size, I hate staring at an empty garden.  I always saw them as a potentially getting nuked, but I didn't think it would be in the first year.  However, I think their chances are survival are still pretty good, they'll likely look crappy for the next 3 months.  

[UK_Palms]

1 hour ago, MarcusH said:

You're someone who likes to put fuel to the the fire don't you ? People over here already lost a lot of palms during the last 4 years and even before,  but lately it seems to be more frequent.  Lots of fear mongering coming from your side then you start your Europe vs America temperature comparison.  What's that going to change ? You make it sound like the UK is the best place to grow palms on earth.  Even if that would be the case , we don't care. Us palm growers in America we're attached to our palms and every winter is a gamble ,whether we get hit or not by a severe artic blast. Looks like you can't wait for another severe artic cold to come down to the southern part of the U.S. 

 

I mean I was just engaging in general discussion and analysis around winter and the current vortex over North America. I heavily discussed / analysed a smaller one that we had 2 weeks ago over here, which effected northern areas of the UK significantly. It is somewhat relevant when looking at absolute minimums, growing zones, actual palm hardiness etc and what can grow where. Not to mention for historical documentation.

Also I have seen you compare Texas to Europe and other places on multiple occasions, especially in summer. So ‘pot kettle black’ comes to mind. I’m pretty sure you were comparing Germany to Texas recently lol. And the suggestion that I am somehow revelling in the polar vortex over the eastern half of the USA is just ludicrous. Although I will acknowledge that some of my posts could come across a bit inconsiderate in light of those who have been effected.

You said it yourself though that “every winter is a gamble”. I have lost my fair share of palms and plants over the years. I believe I am the same zone as you anyway (8b/9a), so it’s not that outlandish to make some degree of comparison or assessment given that we have both had ‘freeze’ events this month. And I don’t mean direct specific comparisons either, but more say 9a North America compared to 9a Europe. To see what survives and what factors undoes survival for certain palms.

Anyway have a nice day.

[_nevi]

On 1/21/2025 at 3:42 PM, mthteh1916 said:

like I said with the deep snow cover they have NOLA not going above 32F until thursday. NOLA has loads of 9b stuff or at least did until the last few brutal years. 

Ultimate lows for this event in New Orleans looks to have been 21°F. Very close to teens, but not quite — although whether the duration of cold impacted the plants remains to be seen.

[ahosey01]

41 minutes ago, Chester B said:

I sure hope you guys get that break, it would be nice to see at least one area get through relatively unscathed.

And Marcus guess what?  My robustas are already bronzing off.  They were planted because I got them at a decent size and they were dirt cheap.  I was hoping to get a few years out of them while all my hardier, younger, slower growing palms put on size, I hate staring at an empty garden.  I always saw them as a potentially getting nuked, but I didn't think it would be in the first year.  However, I think their chances are survival are still pretty good, they'll likely look crappy for the next 3 months.  

Post a pic of them.

[Chester B]

28 minutes ago, ahosey01 said:

Post a pic of them.

This one is the worst. 

[ahosey01]

10 minutes ago, Chester B said:

This one is the worst. 

100% changce it lives IMO.

[MarcusH]

47 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

 

I mean I was just engaging in general discussion and analysis around winter and the current vortex over North America. I heavily discussed / analysed a smaller one that we had 2 weeks ago over here, which effected northern areas of the UK significantly. It is somewhat relevant when looking at absolute minimums, growing zones, actual palm hardiness etc and what can grow where. Not to mention for historical documentation.

Also I have seen you compare Texas to Europe and other places on multiple occasions, especially in summer. So ‘pot kettle black’ comes to mind. I’m pretty sure you were comparing Germany to Texas recently lol. And the suggestion that I am somehow revelling in the polar vortex over the eastern half of the USA is just ludicrous. Although I will acknowledge that some of my posts could come across a bit inconsiderate in light of those who have been effected.

You said it yourself though that “every winter is a gamble”. I have lost my fair share of palms and plants over the years. I believe I am the same zone as you anyway (8b/9a), so it’s not that outlandish to make some degree of comparison or assessment given that we have both had ‘freeze’ events this month. And I don’t mean direct specific comparisons either, but more say 9a North America compared to 9a Europe. To see what survives and what factors undoes survival for certain palms.

Anyway have a nice day.

Hey man, find me that post where I compare Texas to Germany please. I guess it wasn't like" my place is better than yours type of comparison." We are talking about a sensitive time where people worry about to lose their palms like someone worries about hurricanes who happens to live at a hurricane prone place.  We are talking about palm tree survival here related to a polar vortex , nothing else.  Texas gets hammered by cold fronds (since 2021) and severe droughts with extreme hot temperatures doesn't make it better. It’s taking a toll on vegetation .Most of them will do just fine as always, we might see some defoliation on certain types of palms again.  It would be nice to see CIDPS see in their full beauty again but you make comments in the past about why our CIDPs have such ugly crowns compared to the one in the UK. I think you're smart because you have been following our Texas threads for years , you have seen the devastating pictures and you know exactly why they look like it but still wonder why. I'm not as knowledgeable as most of you guys are on here in terms of palms and meteorology but I do have basic knowledge and use common sense.  You don't have to have a degree in common sense.  I'm just giving you my 2 cents about the way I feel like you approach us.  I'm like you, I'm not afraid to express my opinions.  Still, I don't have an issue with you . Be more understanding about what we are going through.  

 

[MarcusH]

1 hour ago, Chester B said:

I sure hope you guys get that break, it would be nice to see at least one area get through relatively unscathed.

And Marcus guess what?  My robustas are already bronzing off.  They were planted because I got them at a decent size and they were dirt cheap.  I was hoping to get a few years out of them while all my hardier, younger, slower growing palms put on size, I hate staring at an empty garden.  I always saw them as a potentially getting nuked, but I didn't think it would be in the first year.  However, I think their chances are survival are still pretty good, they'll likely look crappy for the next 3 months.  

Your Robusta will grow its crown back no later than early summer. It's amazing how fast they recover.  No worries It might be something we might get used to it for now It also gives us a better understanding of what we should plant and what not just to avoid headaches in future. 

[Xenon]

21 minutes ago, Chester B said:

This one is the worst. 

 

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL we have VERY different standards of "chances of survival are still good" hahahahahaha

you need to try much harder if you want to kill that thing 🤣🤪

[Robbertico18]

2 hours ago, PaPalmTrees said:

Just watch this video from the weather channel looks like we're gonna have a mild February https://weather.com/forecast/national/news/2025-01-22-february-march-april-2025-temperature-forecast-outlook

Best news all week

[PAPalmtrees]

Yep. @Robbertico18

[JeskiM]

Beware, long range models beyond 14 days, etc are notoriously bad. 

Follows is a good example.

This was the CFSv2 model forecast for January Temp. Anomalies that was issued on December 21st. :

Wow, North America was forecasted to be waaaay above normal in January.   Now for reality:

-Matt

[MarcusH]

19 minutes ago, JeskiM said:

Beware, long range models beyond 14 days, etc are notoriously bad. 

Follows is a good example.

This was the CFSv2 model forecast for January Temp. Anomalies that was issued on December 21st. :

Wow, North America was forecasted to be waaaay above normal in January.   Now for reality:

-Matt

Which means in other words no matter how much you are an expert in meteorology you can still be so wrong.  

[JeskiM]

So the January forecast was a big bust temperature wise.  Here's my thoughts on the February forecast:

(1) Dynamical models are keeping a cold pattern in place through Febraury (persistence)

(2) La Nina is ongoing (in the Nino 3.4 and 4 regions)

(3) Madden-Julian Oscillation (MJO) has amplified and is located around the Indian Ocean / Maritime Continent 

With MJO's location and amplitude, it may Constructively interact with La Nina. If it does, then that will likely lead to a warm pattern over central and eastern CONUS.   This large-scale pattern is mostly driving what you are seeing in many of the February forecasts for warmth in the CONUS.

However, this contrasts with #1 above.  This means there's Uncertainty. 

One thing to watch is the temperatures in Alaska, right now they are "warm", they will get real cold coming up.  That cold air will build up and at some point will be on the move ... but to where exactly ?   Impossible to forecast for now. Hence, I will end this post with this :

I expect a good Thaw to occur throughout the lower 48, east of the Rockies, and mostly below Interstate 80, through the first 1 - 3 weeks of February. Beyond that I think we may see some more cold. .... just not likely to be what we just saw.

-Matt

[JeskiM]

10 minutes ago, MarcusH said:

Which means in other words no matter how much you are an expert in meteorology you can still be so wrong.  

BINGO.

[Ivanos1982]

Too early to tell but the spears on all my queens and kings are strong, they are not pulling. We went down to 20.2 F in my yard facing northeast. All I did was cover them from the ground up with old bed sheets. They are mulched heavily at the bottom part which I suspect is where the heart (growing point is) is considering how young they are still.  I will update as the warm comes along. 

[mthteh1916]

12 hours ago, Sabal_Louisiana said:

Regarding the minimum temperature in Houma:

The Sugarcane Research Station NW of the city and cold prone because it is on open land had 13F. Their office in the middle of town with a Davis setup had 15F. 
Local PWS around the area were pretty much all low to mid teens.

In neighboring St. Mary Parish, local weather stations right around Morgan City had 19 to 22F for lows in a favorable microclimate. They used to have a coop station there but they started using the automated readings from the airport in Patterson several miles west of town. It reached 8 or 9 degrees there Wednesday morning.

Queens in Morgan City will be burnt but they might have a chance. Most of the big ones came back eventually after similar temps in 2021.

that sounds much better. airports are usually in cold holes out in the middle of now where.