Syagrus amara seedling

[Alexberm]

I have been talked about my Syagrus amara seeds at link on attach.  As I mentioned in the attached link, about the problem of using ripe seeds to grow seeds, but none of them germinated, even after a year. About 3 months ago, I tried using unripe seeds to grow seeds again. It turned out that 2-3 seeds started to germinate (as shown in the picture). But when I compared them with the germinated seeds of members who had posted in Palmtalk (in the last picture), it turned out that the germination pattern was not the same. This makes me even more confused about this matter. If anyone knows what happened, please advise me.

[Alexberm]

This is what I think is Syagrus amara. After growing the seed I was not sure if it was S. amara or not.

[Nico971]

S. Amara is native to my island. 
here are some pictures of fresh seeds, and cleaned seeds. 
Also a very old  specimen

not so hard to germinate, some seedlings spontaneously on the ground. 
 

hope this helps 

 

[Alexberm]

7 minutes ago, Nico971 said:

S. Amara is native to my island. 
here are some pictures of fresh seeds, and cleaned seeds. 
Also a very old  specimen

not so hard to germinate, some seedlings spontaneously on the ground. 
 

hope this helps 

 

Thank you. When the seeds germinate, are they the same as in my picture?

[zero]

On 9/1/2024 at 9:47 AM, Alexberm said:

I have been talked about my Syagrus amara seeds at link on attach.  As I mentioned in the attached link, about the problem of using ripe seeds to grow seeds, but none of them germinated, even after a year. About 3 months ago, I tried using unripe seeds to grow seeds again. It turned out that 2-3 seeds started to germinate (as shown in the picture). But when I compared them with the germinated seeds of members who had posted in Palmtalk (in the last picture), it turned out that the germination pattern was not the same. This makes me even more confused about this matter. If anyone knows what happened, please advise me.

I have noticed this before with different species that are adjacent germinators where the eophyll emerges first before the radical.  Syagrus are remote germinators and usually germinate like the photo that you posted from @caixeta.  I guess it's possible that the radical was inhibited from its emergence from the seed somehow.  Maybe because the fruits weren't fully ripe?  I don't know. 

I have seen variation in fruits of Syagrus amara.  The first one I ever saw was at Fairchild Botanical Garden near Miami and the fruits were massive like the ones @Nico971 posted here.  These seem consistent with the description in Palmpedia:

"Fruits: Hard-shelled, fairly large and closely resembling miniature Coconuts that hang in clusters just below the crown when ripe, ellipsoid, 5-7 cm long and 3.5 cm diameter, orange."

At Kopsick Arboretum in St. Petersburg the ripe fruits from their S. amara were bigger than typical queen palm fruits with the same bright orange color but maybe 2/3 the size of the ones posted by Nico.