Dypsis heteromorpha !!

[JubaeaMan138]

So yesterday I spent the morning with @DoomsDave at the death camp . Always a good time and learning experience for me seeing Dave’s garden . Left with these to little guys . I’ve been wanting to grow this species for a while Now . Let’s see yours . Love the color at the base of these 

[JubaeaMan138]

Also wondering what kind of requirements are recommended . Does it appreciate some shade ? Watering . I’m imagining I should treat it like a pembana in light shade . And what size can it safely be planted out . 

[Billeb]

2 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Also wondering what kind of requirements are recommended . Does it appreciate some shade ? Watering . I’m imagining I should treat it like a pembana in light shade . And what size can it safely be planted out . 

Chris, this plant has been discussed quite a bit on these pages. So what is the real Heteromorpha?…..pretty sure nobody knows. I’ve got a couple small Heteromorpha (Chrysalidocarpus Rufescens) I got from FB a few months back and they are doing fine. Pretty sure Dave’s are from Jeff also so ours are likely siblings. They are clumping at a very young age, look like the typical thin leafed frond and show light tomentum. 
 

Then I have another that I feel his either Sp. 215 or a Hybrid of Heteromorpha. This guy seems to stay solitary and has excessive fur you’d see similar to Lepto or Decaryi.  Even the trunk looks tricious a bit. It also is one of my fastest palms going from a 5G to trunking within a year and 1/2. Much faster than FB specimens I’ve heard.
 

Hear say is Heteromorpha can handle full sun at an early age. I have found this to be true with my solitary. The small ones I keep in 1/2 day but fronds look perfect with no evidence of burn at all. They all get average water via drip with supplemental splashing when i remember. 
 

Can you plant yours out now??!?! Possibly. Dave’s arsenal is typically in full sun. If you wanna wait until Spring, that may be better. 
 

-dale 

[Tracy]

8 hours ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Also wondering what kind of requirements are recommended . Does it appreciate some shade ? Watering . I’m imagining I should treat it like a pembana in light shade . And what size can it safely be planted out . 

I have some seedlings from my Chrysalidocarpus rufescens that I have given away, but haven't checked up on their status.  My experience was that it is fast growing, handles cool and hot as well or better than my Chrysalidocarpus onilahensis.  Mine also exhibits vigorous clumping, shows no burn from Santa Ana's unlike Chrysalidocarpus pembanus (albeit my climate's version of Santa Ana dry winds is much milder than further inland).  Overall one of the easiest and fastest clumping Chrysalidocarpus to grow for me.  I give it the same water that the other clumping Chrysalidocarpus receive.  When small mine was up against a low brick wall getting full am light as well as the reflected heat & light from the wall, so hot.  The wall is for an elevated planter so it grew up above that to get pm sun pretty quick, but has been in pm shade from a Pritchardia planted in the raised planter.  So it has prospered in all sorts of light conditions.

[realarch]

5 hours ago, Billeb said:

Chris, this plant has been discussed quite a bit on these pages. So what is the real Heteromorpha?…..pretty sure nobody knows. I’ve got a couple small Heteromorpha (Chrysalidocarpus Rufescens) I got from FB a few months back and they are doing fine. Pretty sure Dave’s are from Jeff also so ours are likely siblings. They are clumping at a very young age, look like the typical thin leafed frond and show light tomentum. 
 

Then I have another that I feel his either Sp. 215 or a Hybrid of Heteromorpha. This guy seems to stay solitary and has excessive fur you’d see similar to Lepto or Decaryi.  Even the trunk looks tricious a bit. It also is one of my fastest palms going from a 5G to trunking within a year and 1/2. Much faster than FB specimens I’ve heard.
 

Hear say is Heteromorpha can handle full sun at an early age. I have found this to be true with my solitary. The small ones I keep in 1/2 day but fronds look perfect with no evidence of burn at all. They all get average water via drip with supplemental splashing when i remember. 
 

Can you plant yours out now??!?! Possibly. Dave’s arsenal is typically in full sun. If you wanna wait until Spring, that may be better. 
 

-dale 

Awww geeze, that’s beautiful!

Tim

[JubaeaMan138]

6 hours ago, Billeb said:

Chris, this plant has been discussed quite a bit on these pages. So what is the real Heteromorpha?…..pretty sure nobody knows. I’ve got a couple small Heteromorpha (Chrysalidocarpus Rufescens) I got from FB a few months back and they are doing fine. Pretty sure Dave’s are from Jeff also so ours are likely siblings. They are clumping at a very young age, look like the typical thin leafed frond and show light tomentum. 
 

Then I have another that I feel his either Sp. 215 or a Hybrid of Heteromorpha. This guy seems to stay solitary and has excessive fur you’d see similar to Lepto or Decaryi.  Even the trunk looks tricious a bit. It also is one of my fastest palms going from a 5G to trunking within a year and 1/2. Much faster than FB specimens I’ve heard.
 

Hear say is Heteromorpha can handle full sun at an early age. I have found this to be true with my solitary. The small ones I keep in 1/2 day but fronds look perfect with no evidence of burn at all. They all get average water via drip with supplemental splashing when i remember. 
 

Can you plant yours out now??!?! Possibly. Dave’s arsenal is typically in full sun. If you wanna wait until Spring, that may be better. 
 

-dale 

Man that thing is crazy awesome . Dave had a big solitary one that looked similar to a triangle . 

[WaianaeCrider]

Planted a "baby" in May of 2022.  Here is it then.  Gave it a lot of shade under cloth for a year.  Now it's exposed but under some trees.  I'll get an up to date photo tomorrow, but I don't think it's grown any.  Gotta remember to bring an empty 1 gallon pot as the one w/the measuring stick died.  LOL

[Tracy]

16 hours ago, Billeb said:

Chris, this plant has been discussed quite a bit on these pages. So what is the real Heteromorpha?…..pretty sure nobody knows. I’ve got a couple small Heteromorpha (Chrysalidocarpus Rufescens) I got from FB a few months back and they are doing fine. Pretty sure Dave’s are from Jeff also so ours are likely siblings. They are clumping at a very young age, look like the typical thin leafed frond and show light tomentum. 
 

Then I have another that I feel his either Sp. 215 or a Hybrid of Heteromorpha. This guy seems to stay solitary and has excessive fur you’d see similar to Lepto or Decaryi.  Even the trunk looks tricious a bit. It also is one of my fastest palms going from a 5G to trunking within a year and 1/2. Much faster than FB specimens I’ve heard.
 

Hear say is Heteromorpha can handle full sun at an early age. I have found this to be true with my solitary. The small ones I keep in 1/2 day but fronds look perfect with no evidence of burn at all. They all get average water via drip with supplemental splashing when i remember. 
 

Can you plant yours out now??!?! Possibly. Dave’s arsenal is typically in full sun. If you wanna wait until Spring, that may be better. 
 

-dale 

Dale the large solitary one looks like a Chrysalidocarpus decaryi hybrid when examining the crownshaft.  Beautiful palm. 

I think of Chrysalidocarpus rufescens as having more brown  fuzz On the crownshaft and very green between rings.  It will be interesting to see the seed shape when yours sets seed.

[Billeb]

1 hour ago, Tracy said:

Dale the large solitary one looks like a Chrysalidocarpus decaryi hybrid when examining the crownshaft.  Beautiful palm. 

I think of Chrysalidocarpus rufescens as having more brown  fuzz On the crownshaft and very green between rings.  It will be interesting to see the seed shape when yours sets seed.

 

 

Agreed. Here’s a close up of the ringed trunk. Green between the rings and substantially fatter than your pure Heteromorpha. 

Notice how the leaf bases do not surround the trunk like a typical crownshafted palm either. It’s a weird one. 👍

-dale 

[JubaeaMan138]

30 minutes ago, Billeb said:

Agreed. Here’s a close up of the ringed trunk. Green between the rings and substantially fatter than your pure Heteromorpha. 

Notice how the leaf bases do not surround the trunk like a typical crownshafted palm either. It’s a weird one. 👍

-dale 

Yeah that is  beautiful my man ! Well done.  

[JubaeaMan138]

1 hour ago, Tracy said:

Dale the large solitary one looks like a Chrysalidocarpus decaryi hybrid when examining the crownshaft.  Beautiful palm. 

I think of Chrysalidocarpus rufescens as having more brown  fuzz On the crownshaft and very green between rings.  It will be interesting to see the seed shape when yours sets seed.

So this should be what mine turns out to be hopefully ? Love that green with the dark rust colored crown 

[Tracy]

1 hour ago, JubaeaMan138 said:

Yeah that is  beautiful my man ! Well done.  

I think this is what MattyB's solitary one looked like.  He had both clumping specimens and one of  the thicker trunked but I think one died.  I know Josh had seed from at least one of MattyB's plants a few years ago.  Perhaps Dale's solitary is an offspring of his plant.

[Billeb]

26 minutes ago, Tracy said:

I think this is what MattyB's solitary one looked like.  He had both clumping specimens and one of  the thicker trunked but I think one died.  I know Josh had seed from at least one of MattyB's plants a few years ago.  Perhaps Dale's solitary is an offspring of his plant.

Confirmed. I got it from Josh and he stated as much. He didn’t want to get rid of it and reiterates it when we talk.  I must give him seed when the time comes. 😂
 

-dale 

[JubaeaMan138]

8 hours ago, Billeb said:

Confirmed. I got it from Josh and he stated as much. He didn’t want to get rid of it and reiterates it when we talk.  I must give him seed when the time comes. 😂
 

-dale 

Yeah dude . Put me on that seed list as well 

[mnorell]

I have several of these out here in Rancho Mirage...it's one of those that I order one of every time I place an order with Jeff Marcus...because I found it to be very unfussy and able to take anything from shade to a decent amount of sun out here in the desert without complaining. This species (along with ambositrae) is a pretty tough character, even at small sizes. I don't have anything in a larger than one-gallon container, and I'm just now about to plant a couple of them out in the ground, but I've had them in various positions, sun to shade, and they are rather forgiving. I'm pretty lazy with fertilization, up-shifting, etc. (though I have to keep up on the watering, obviously, since this is the hot-hot-hot desert) but it's just one of those plants that, after a few years, you notice all of them doing well whether you've ignored them or not. I think the thin leaflets also help in protecting them in ultra-hot, dry climates from burning in afternoon sun. I'm anxious to get these into the ground as I assume they will finally speed up. But they seem fine from 31F-123F out here in the Palm Springs area. They seem definitely much stronger than, say, C. onilahensis 'Droopy,' which survives but always seems to be a little finicky especially with summer heat (and perhaps just wants to go into the ground before it will be happy).

[Rob123]

Here’s mine. November will be two years since I purchased it as an odd, small 2gal. Now it’s a rooted 15gal and just shot out a sucker so robust that the first leaf stem almost snapped in half due to the weight.
 

I’m really hoping it will be one of the super robust types like Dales!