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Trachycarpus Hybrid Mystery Palm


steve617

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This is thought to be from seeds from (T. Waggie x T. Latisectus) x T. Waggie came from Jeff St. Gelais. Had some spider mites issues keeping it inside during the winter but has recovered. Wish I had gotten more seeds before he sold out and moved.

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Even after battling those accursed spider mites that is still a beautiful looking Trachy, the form is very eye catching and unique already at such a young age.

I have a Waggie that I got as a rehab project (spear pulled) for a steal and it is now finally starting to throw up some healthy new fronds. :greenthumb:
 

Currently waiting on a ‘Bulgaria’ to arrive next week that I was lucky enough to score the LAST one of before the dealer SOLD OUT!

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You can definitely see the latisectus in that palm!
 

@Dwarf Fandont get too excited about those bulgaria. Not to be negative but be aware the so called “Bulgaria” Is all a marketing gimmick. If you’re looking for the most cold hardy trunking palm any old fortunei will do. 

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Thanks Chester B and dwarf fan for comments.

I have a couple Bulgarias and one plovid.  Their only about 3 yrs old and as for cold hardy they are probably not as cold hardy as the ones from the Carolinas. I know a guy had some and said nearly all had spear pulls.

I have 3 nanital x Fourtuni hybrids I bought out of the UK as young seedlings their now probably 3 or 4 yrs old. They are very fast growers. Not sure how they will be as far as cold hardy. I'm thinking they at least should recover good. 

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6 hours ago, Chester B said:

You can definitely see the latisectus in that palm!
 

@Dwarf Fandont get too excited about those bulgaria. Not to be negative but be aware the so called “Bulgaria” Is all a marketing gimmick. If you’re looking for the most cold hardy trunking palm any old fortunei will do. 

Oh I am SUPER excited… but not due to the fantastic claims touted of “-17.5F” 🥶 Cold Hardiness!!! LOL! I have actually read about all the controversy as well as the ‘Bulgaria’ being a more rare and harder to find Trachy and I personally just like the form of the thicker trunk and beefier fronds from the normal Fortunei and it being something different than the more common Fortunei that is sold everywhere.

Look at my location I only need it to be cold Hardy to at MOST realistically 20F LOL! I am not worried that I will ever see cold enough temps to do any damage to my Waggie or Bulgaria, but I have heard that either the Humidity, Salt or lack of “longer cold winters” may give me “ugly” or “ratty” looking Trachys… which is actually my major concern about my specific location. So far so good though on my Waggie, but it is in a pot and I might just keep them both in pots for a year or more to keep an eye on the growth of both before committing a spot in my yard and going in ground.

Besides it was the only “record breaker” missing from my Cold Hardy Collection:

Sabal Minor McCurtain -24F

Sabal Brazoriensis -15F

Rhapidophyllum Hystrix -15F

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14 hours ago, steve617 said:

This is thought to be from seeds from (T. Waggie x T. Latisectus) x T. Waggie came from Jeff St. Gelais.

I'd visited Jeff's garden several times in the past. He grew a number of species of Trachycarpus and made available seeds from his palms. I often wondered how he controlled the process of hybridization and non hybridized seeds. My curiosity was only peaked sometime after these garden visits. 

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13 hours ago, Chester B said:

You can definitely see the latisectus in that palm!
 

@Dwarf Fandont get too excited about those bulgaria. Not to be negative but be aware the so called “Bulgaria” Is all a marketing gimmick. If you’re looking for the most cold hardy trunking palm any old fortunei will do. 

I have seen enough variation in cold-hardiness in a single yard to conclude that a palm with 1000 seedlings will give variety all over the map.

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The story on the mystery palm is he bought I think T. Latisectus seeds may have been seedlings. When the seedlings were small all of them died except one. Once it got older he knew it wasn't a pure  Latisectus. Thought was a hybrid but not sure with what. Possibly Fortunei.  He later crossed it with a Waggie. Would love to cross it one day with my waggie x Princeps new form. Which I've heard the new form is actually a hybrid.

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Can't wait to see it when it's bigger . 

 

I have a Princeps green form and a male Nainital next to it , so I'm hoping the Princeps is a female . I should know soon because the Princeps is trunking now .

If my Princeps is a female I'll cut all the male inflorescences off of all my other Trachys so I'll know I have a hybrid with Nainital . 

Will

 

Princeps green form :

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The trunk is fattening up :

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Both palms together

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