Aleitalyyy Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 hello palm lovers... Today I have a dilemma spinning in my head... Do you think it is possible for a beccariophoenix alfredii to be able to give it, through substances in the soil, an orange coloration of the leaf stems like the cocos nucifera of the orange cultivar? obviously the alfredii is green like a green coconut, but I wonder if it is possible through substances in the soil to make the alfredii palm orange like an orange coconut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Posted November 20, 2022 Report Share Posted November 20, 2022 Not as orange but they do have nice color that can remind one of the real deal. For us in Mediterranean climates we just have to use imagination. Looks pretty nice to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 19 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: hello palm lovers... Today I have a dilemma spinning in my head... Do you think it is possible for a beccariophoenix alfredii to be able to give it, through substances in the soil, an orange coloration of the leaf stems like the cocos nucifera of the orange cultivar? obviously the alfredii is green like a green coconut, but I wonder if it is possible through substances in the soil to make the alfredii palm orange like an orange coconut? I'm sorry. It's not feasible. 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmatierMeg Posted November 21, 2022 Report Share Posted November 21, 2022 Just because two palm species have physical similarities doesn’t necessarily mean they are genetically capable of hybridizing. To my knowledge no one has successfully hybridized a coconut palm with another palm species. Cocos is a monotypical genus for a reason. 1 1 Meg Palms of Victory I shall wear Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise) Florida Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal Elevation: 15 feetI'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeeth Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 Get a Jubaeopsis if that's the look you're going for 5 3 Keith Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted November 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 11/21/2022 at 4:39 PM, PalmatierMeg said: Just because two palm species have physical similarities doesn’t necessarily mean they are genetically capable of hybridizing. To my knowledge no one has successfully hybridized a coconut palm with another palm species. Cocos is a monotypical genus for a reason. On 21/11/2022 at 16:39, PalmatierMeg said: hello my question was not if you can hybridize cocos with alfredii... I wanted to know if it is possible to make the leaves of an alfredii take on the orange color like a red or orange cocos ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilles06 Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Zeeth said: Get a Jubaeopsis if that's the look you're going for Yes jubaeopsis has orange petiole like coconut 2 elevation 328 feet distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfish Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Aleitalyyy said: hello my question was not if you can hybridize cocos with alfredii... I wanted to know if it is possible to make the leaves of an alfredii take on the orange color like a red or orange cocos ... How would you do this, other than applying orange paint? LOL. The only other possibility is discovering a seedling mutant with this characteristic and selectively breeding it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurugu Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, gilles06 said: Yes jubaeopsis has orange petiole like coconut Mine is rather yellow I would say. At least the rachis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, gilles06 said: Yes jubaeopsis has orange petiole like coconut This. And you'll get a two for one. 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted November 22, 2022 Report Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) For hybridizing it's all about chromosomes. If they have the same numbers of chromosomes between the two species then a cross is a possibility. For the coloring you desire you would have to do years of selective breeding- like the Japanese do with Koi. The easy out is to look for a colorful Jubaeopsis. Even then, the coloring is variable from specimen to specimen. My jubaeopsis is a yellow color on the petioles. Some are orange, some are green. Leaf-wise it's one of the closest things you can grow if you can't crow coconuts. Edited November 22, 2022 by Patrick Additional info. 3 Oakley, California 55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year. Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 thanks guys you are legendary and well informed as always ... yes I have a coconut in a pot but with a green stalk, because the orange coconut plants are not found in Europe ... and therefore I was looking for an alternative .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted November 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 thinking about it, a hybrid between jubaeopsis caffra x syagrus would be nice you would get something really nice and very similar to coconut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 @GottmitAlex hi alex, i found this beccariophoenix alfredii here in italy sold online at a good price... but it seems strange to me the stem too wide and thick ... in your opinion is a beccariophoenix?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 everyone's opinion is welcome, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 15, 2022 Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 Do you have a more detailed picture of the base? 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 @GottmitAlex unfortunately not.. there is only this one on the site.. would you buy it? more than anything I do not understand the base is very thick ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 maybe it grew in the greenhouse and thickened the stem much more than normal? it also seems to me an old plant in that small vase for years ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idontknowhatnametuse Posted December 15, 2022 Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: @GottmitAlex hi alex, i found this beccariophoenix alfredii here in italy sold online at a good price... but it seems strange to me the stem too wide and thick ... in your opinion is a beccariophoenix?? Yes, that is a Beccariophoenix. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: @GottmitAlex unfortunately not.. there is only this one on the site.. would you buy it? more than anything I do not understand the base is very thick ... Are there any other Alfie's for sale elsewhere in your area? If not, then go for it. I would if I didn't have one. 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 nothing. there are no other alfies for sale... I also wrote to baby palm that Spanish site, but they are on sale starting from February.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 thanks guys... I'll keep you posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, Aleitalyyy said: nothing. there are no other alfies for sale... I also wrote to baby palm that Spanish site, but they are on sale starting from February.... Go for it 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilles06 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 For what price? 1 elevation 328 feet distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 15 hours ago, gilles06 said: Per quale prezzo? hello dear, it costs 55 euros.. What do you suggest? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aleitalyyy said: hello dear, it costs 55 euros.. What do you suggest? Get it and plant it. 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilles06 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) That's cheap. It would be a good candidate at your place. Edited December 17, 2022 by gilles06 more info 1 elevation 328 feet distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 8 hours ago, GottmitAlex said: Prendilo e piantalo. alex you also had beccariophoenix Finestralis??? from what I see as an adult it's more coconut... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: alex you also had beccariophoenix Finestralis??? from what I see as an adult it's more coconut... I did. It didn't make it. I then opted for the alfredii which is growing nicely. 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 @GottmitAlexdidn't make it because of the cold? or for other reasons? so it's not that strong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 18, 2022 Report Share Posted December 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: @GottmitAlexdidn't make it because of the cold? or for other reasons? so it's not that strong? Fenestralis' are less cold hardy than Alfie's and madagascariensis. And more finicky with requirements. They love to have humidity. They are a tough grow in my region. 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 my god, i thought it was stronger than a coconut... I remembered that in 2016/17 you had one that was already pretty big... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2022 @GottmitAlexalex here's another picture what do you think? thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Posted December 26, 2022 Report Share Posted December 26, 2022 Someone at that nursery was way too aggressive with the pruning shears and should have used that time to upsize it to a 20g before it got so root bound. Regardless I'm sure it will end up doing just fine, just needs to be planted out ASAP. She's begging for a home! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 27, 2022 Report Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Billy said: Someone at that nursery was way too aggressive with the pruning shears and should have used that time to upsize it to a 20g before it got so root bound. Regardless I'm sure it will end up doing just fine, just needs to be planted out ASAP. She's begging for a home! jawohl. 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 guys does anyone know in europe where i can find a beccariophoenix alfredii? i live in italy...so anyone who has to sell here in europe...thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 What happened to the original one you mentioned? 1 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleitalyyy Posted December 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 8 hours ago, GottmitAlex said: What happened to the original one you mentioned? after I placed the order online, the garden center seller informed me that it was finished .... so they refunded me ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelvinB Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 12 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: guys does anyone know in europe where i can find a beccariophoenix alfredii? i live in italy...so anyone who has to sell here in europe...thanks https://www.coldpalm.nl/en/palms/beccariophoenix-alfredi.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilles06 Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 15 hours ago, Aleitalyyy said: guys does anyone know in europe where i can find a beccariophoenix alfredii? i live in italy...so anyone who has to sell here in europe...thanks Did you contact Fabio MAIO http://www.piantetropicali.com/tropicalsicily/pianta.php?AREA=2&pianta=0&offset=0 1 elevation 328 feet distance from mediteranean sea 1,1 mile lowest t° 2009/2010 : 27F lowest t° 2008/2009 : 33F lowest t° 2007/2008 : 32F lowest t° 2006/2007 : 35F lowest t° 2005/2006 : 27F lowest t° 2004/2005 : 25F Historical lowest t° 1985 : 18F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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