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New Caledonia Palms, so what are you growing?

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Mostly potted submissions so far from me but here’s what I’m growing or trying to grow. 

B. koghiensis 
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Obligatory C. macrocarpa #1
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Obligatory C. macrocarpa #2
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B. Glabrata 

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C. alba

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A few other of the NC group in liners.

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B. dumasii

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B. viellardii 

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C. elegans 

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Dean, they all look healthy and vigerous, nice collection.

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

Thanks Tim! coming from the guy whose garden regularly exercises my humility that means a lot! 🙂

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3 minutes ago, D. Morrowii said:

Thanks Tim! coming from the guy whose garden regularly exercises my humility that means a lot! 🙂

Awww shucks…….just trying to keep the board interesting. Mahalo!

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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I’ll finish up, at least with my stuff. 

Please post your New Cal. stuff. 

Here’s a Cyphophoenix alba. If you want to see what a specimen crown shaft is supposed to look like, see Kim’s post above. Anyway, it’s really starting to grow and has a wide spreading crown like some other New Cal. palms. Lopers for scale in the one shot. 

Tim

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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The last one is a small Cyphosperma balansae. I don’t know why it took me so long to plant one of these, but I keep seeing posts of this palm in other gardens and how beautiful they were and decided it was time. Not much to look at yet.

Tim

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Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

I’ve got quite a few but they are part of the pot army in the greenhouse. The ones planted out are below. Garden is less than 2yrs old so most are small but gaining traction. 
 

-dale 

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Chambeyronia Hookeri (Big & small) 62637BC3-FB6A-435B-9C20-738A8A0425F0.thumb.jpeg.d7233e06a8eb51fe692c785b6b76e471.jpeg

Kentiopsis Oliviformis 37A8FE76-5BB6-4820-A02F-4AF9B2B6EEB9.thumb.jpeg.6ffe45b4ff1b5479cd77488c6dc6b66f.jpeg

Kentiopsis Pyriformis CA742258-D0DE-4CEE-AF1F-E56351134A65.thumb.jpeg.837c4517b8210d48c5ce4b4b00de0068.jpeg


Pot Army Waiting (Liners or 1G)

-Burretiokentia Koghiensis (2)

-Burretiokentia Hapala (2)

-Burretiokentia Vieillardii 

-Cyphosperma Balansae

-Kentiopsis Pyriformis 

-Chambeyronia Macrocarpa 

-Cyphophoenix Elegans (2)

HHmmmmm. I have a couple few New Caledonia palms. Maybe I should update some pics here tomorrow.  🤔

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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2 hours ago, BS Man about Palms said:

HHmmmmm. I have a couple few New Caledonia palms. Maybe I should update some pics here tomorrow.  🤔

Hey Bill………..absolutely!

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

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Looking good Dale, your plantings look so clean and proper, unlike my jungle look.

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

11 hours ago, realarch said:

Looking good Dale, your plantings look so clean and proper, unlike my jungle look.

Tim

Not really. Most are jammed together. With limited real estate, I’m planning on the layered look as they grow. Sure to be dense tho, I don’t mind. 
 

-dale

Chambeyronia hookeri and Cyphophoenix elegans, 16 months in the ground. Both are slow but steady 

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Jonathan
 

2 hours ago, Xenon said:

Chambeyronia hookeri and Cyphophoenix elegans, 16 months in the ground. Both are slow but steady 

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What's the lowest temperature they have seen in the winter?

5 minutes ago, Foxpalms said:

What's the lowest temperature they have seen in the winter?

Protected below 30F 

Jonathan
 

On 11/6/2022 at 1:18 AM, realarch said:

Hey Bill………..absolutely!

Tim

Quick tease as I think I'm going to wait for the rains tomorrow, then take a pic.

But until then.. a Lovoxia macrocarpa purchased as 3 leaf seedling..

 

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

43 minutes ago, Foxpalms said:

What's the lowest temperature they have seen in the winter?

I wonder how they would do here. The coldest night of the year is typically in the high 20s to low 30s. Especially if it was in a sheltered spot under canopy near and hear the house.

One of my Burretiokentia hapala.  The leaves are layered in with the adjacent bananas and a guava tree, so I can't get the trunk with the classic rasta inflorescence and the crown in the same photo.

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33.0782 North -117.305 West  at 72 feet elevation

Chambeyronia Macrocarpa and Burretiokentia hapala. The Burretiokentia has been in the ground forever never really doing much of anything. The sandpaper fig to the right was planted after and with all the rain/floods its actually putting out a couple of new fronds. I thought it would of died long ago. It's a tough one! 

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Port Macquarie NSW Australia

Warm temperate to subtropical

Record low of -2C at airport 2006

Pushing the limit of palm survivabilities

1 hour ago, The Palm Nut said:

The Burretiokentia has been in the ground forever never really doing much of anything. 

Looks like "natty dread" may be competing for root space in that spot? Solid spear and super nice leaf structure nonetheless. Also beautiful watermelon trunk and crownshaft on the macro! Cheers.

Chambeyronia houailou .  I planted it a little too close to the walkway, so have to tie back some of the leaves at times.  I think with the next leaf drop, I'll start seeing some trunk based on my experience with Chamberyonia hookeri and regular Chambeyronia macorcarpa.  It's location also makes it difficult to photograph with adjacent plantings.

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33.0782 North -117.305 West  at 72 feet elevation

Here is a selection of my New Caledonia palms growing in my SoCal garden.  A few things that haven't been posted yet I think...

The big four Kentiopsis, now Chambeyronia.  These name changes suck for collectors because just when you think you have a genus covered, they do something that wrecks it (I don't have C lepidota)

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Pyriformis -these get surprisingly big, trunk is nearly a foot in diameterimage.thumb.jpeg.11062377ff89175e91baaae3d4e2e041.jpeg

 

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And Piersoniorum (I've been growing this palm for 20 years now, one of the first rare palms I got, from Jungle Music ~2002)image.thumb.jpeg.c69e9da2de49acfb9a359f893f036fd7.jpeg

 

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

Lavoixia (now Clinosperma) macrocarpa - This has been in the ground for several years now.  It's a bit yellowed because I've been pruning back a nearby tree that I will remove at some point.  Germinated seed with Len, can't remember what year, but it was 7-10 years ago I think.  The blinding white beauty in the background will be covered shortly...

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Clinosperma bractealeimage.thumb.jpeg.2501be018cd0aaa24931cd9901d76d51.jpeg

 

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And last but not least Moratia (now Cyphokentia) cerifera.  This is almost trunking.  Don't you hate it when a palm's crownshaft is always so bright white that you can't get a sharp photo of it?

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San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

One last shot with several New Cal palms visible 

Cyphophoenix nucele in front and C elegans to the left behind it.  Clinosperma bracteale is in lower right, with Burretiokentia dumasii in the back right (just behind the little Sabinaria magnifica).  Just to the left of the C elegans trunk you can see a leaf of Burrentiokentia grandiflora.

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San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

13 minutes ago, Matt in SD said:

Moratia (now Cyphokentia) cerifera.  This is almost trunking.  Don't you hate it when a palm's crownshaft is always so bright white that you can't get a sharp photo of it?

Such a problem :floor:,  Spectacular show of what can be done in the better climate locations of Southern California and right nurturing Matt.

33.0782 North -117.305 West  at 72 feet elevation

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Really Matt, just a fantastic collection. Good growing!

Thanks for adding to the post.

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

How old do you think that Moratia is @Matt in SD is?  Mine has probaly been in the ground 6 years or more and is the size of a fat pencil... :(

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

I got the Moratia as a seedling from Floribunda I think just before I moved to current house, which was 2008.  So it's probably 15-16 years old.  Wow that makes me feel old.  

 

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

On 11/14/2022 at 1:27 PM, Matt in SD said:

I got the Moratia as a seedling from Floribunda I think just before I moved to current house, which was 2008.  So it's probably 15-16 years old.  Wow that makes me feel old.  

 

Matt

Maturing Matt, never use the "o" word.  Think of yourself as you do your garden, continuing to grow.  

33.0782 North -117.305 West  at 72 feet elevation

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Tracy, I believe the ‘O’ is capitalized for some of us. Whew……….

Tim

Tim

Hilo, Hawaii

On 11/14/2022 at 6:58 AM, Matt in SD said:

Here is a selection of my New Caledonia palms growing in my SoCal garden.  A few things that haven't been posted yet I think...

The big four Kentiopsis, now Chambeyronia.  These name changes suck for collectors because just when you think you have a genus covered, they do something that wrecks it (I don't have C lepidota)

Oliviformimage.thumb.jpeg.d5d6415db253b4f7272842bd1a313049.jpegis

 

Pyriformis -these get surprisingly big, trunk is nearly a foot in diameterimage.thumb.jpeg.11062377ff89175e91baaae3d4e2e041.jpeg

 

Magnificaimage.thumb.jpeg.91abcd4668d210a0650fa87d84783746.jpeg

 

And Piersoniorum (I've been growing this palm for 20 years now, one of the first rare palms I got, from Jungle Music ~2002)image.thumb.jpeg.c69e9da2de49acfb9a359f893f036fd7.jpeg

 

How is your bottle palm doing??

5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)

 

Good outlook Tracy...yeah maturing, and probably never will by fully "mature".  

I've never tried to grow a bottle palm Alex.  I do have a bottle/spindle cross that grows really well, but tends to look ratty after winter.  At one point I was going to take it out, but when I cleaned up the trunk and found a deep purple crownshaft under the old leaf bases decided it was pretty cool.  Another few years of global warming, and it might actually look good after winter too.

Oh, and Tim, thanks for the compliment.  Your garden and photos are always amazing.  

 

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

I only have one from New Caledonia , sorry no pic, and it is doing well here in Southern California. I brought it home from Maui about 22 years ago as a seedling, Chamberoynia Macrocarpa. It is now about 10-12 feet high with at least six feet of smooth trunk. We get winters into the 40's and occasionally the upper 30'f. Very slow growing but healthy! I love it when a new frond opens! Once I had a neighbor come to me while I was out gardening and they told me something was wrong with one of my palms in the front yard . I told them that it was normal for it to be blood red but thank you anyway!

  • 9 months later...

I too am growing a few of the New Caledonia palms in my garden.  By far the fastest and seemingly easiest has been Chambeyronia (Kentiopsis) oliviformis.  I planted the one below from a 7 gallon size in late 2010 or early 2011.  With the exception of Chrysalidocarpus pembanus, it is now the tallest palm in the garden.  I have a couple more planted in different parts of the garden that are now starting to take off since they achieved a little bit of trunk.  These seem to equal Archontophoenix cunninghamiana in growth speed once they get to trunking size in my climate.

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33.0782 North -117.305 West  at 72 feet elevation

I'm hopeful that mine will be posted here soon as growing success stories.  The photos are encouraging!

Amazing collections everyone! Here’s my New Caledonia collection in Oceanside, California. This message board inspired me to do the landscaping for my new house that was purchased in 2020. I started collecting palms 2.5 years ago during the peak of Covid and most of the palms I have purchased are 5 gallon or smaller (so I could smuggle them past my wife). The only exception is the Hookeri with the red leaf and a Macrocarpa on the far right.

I’m up to 24 species and the only thing not from New Cal up on the slope is a newly planted C. Tanga (far left). I’ve been lucky that everything that has gone in the ground has survived so far with only 2 seedling casualties so far.   

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  • 6 months later...

Your Cyphosperma balansae is going to be a stunner, no doubt about it. Sometimes it just takes a while to pull the trigger on a new addition to the garden, but when you finally do, it's always exciting to watch it grow and develop its own personality.

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