Palms of Dallas

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Another living CIDP.  Drove past last spring and was pushing green again after being defoliated by 10F

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Arlington Taco Cabana CIDP is still going strong as of August 2024. Not the best pic, but google maps streetview hasn't been updated in 2+ years on the street on the other side of the building where you can see it better. Has been here since at least 2007. Interestingly enough, the closest other Taco Cabana in Arlington lost two sabals in 2021, yet somehow this one continues to thrive. I've also noticed the same thing with the CIDP in the above post where sabals and tracheas at neighboring houses bit the dust

So far this winter we've had a half dozen nights in the 22-23F range, which is unlikely to cause any significant Leaf damage or defoliation. If we don't get anything colder in the next 6 weeks, this thing might actually have a full crown by late summer.

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Saw these butias while driving to work this morning. There's also a few sabal minors scattered around that have added some decent size over past few years. 

Based on google maps, it looks like they were actually put in shortly before the 2021 freeze. All survived 2021, but 2 of the 7 died after 2022-2023 winter. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

I know Sabals aren't exactly a rare find here, but this is one of the better mass plantings I've seen in the metro. A few died post 2021, but there are still 15+ left

 

[palmnut-fry]

Oh wow that's Uptown area, right? I had not seen this Sabal forest b4! 😍 It's like a surreal dream that we had that huge Jubaea @Dallas Aquarium. I always used to exit and go by Woodall Rogers Fwy to see! He put in some Trachys last year or so?

[DreaminAboutPalms]

52 minutes ago, palmnut-fry said:

Oh wow that's Uptown area, right? I had not seen this Sabal forest b4! 😍 It's like a surreal dream that we had that huge Jubaea @Dallas Aquarium. I always used to exit and go by Woodall Rogers Fwy to see! He put in some Trachys last year or so?

I work just a few blocks from the aquarium. Yes all those trachies are new. There's also some pretty tropical looking stuff on the second floor on the southside of the building that isn't enclosed at all. Look like they all survived last winter so must have some space heaters or something out there.

Also from the location of the first photo out front, if you head left towards Woodall rogers freeway And take a right, you'll see a Washingtonia on left side of rode next to parking lot. 

[TonyDFW]

Here are some palms at some apt complexes in north Texas 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

30 minutes ago, TonyDFW said:

Here are some palms at some apt complexes in north Texas 

All I can say is WOW

[palmnut-fry]

I nearly had a wreck when i first saw this "Master Palmed" Community off i35 & 190 in Carrollton a few years back.  I bet a few of those were killed last few years but are Sabals mostly so prob. good as i have not been up there in a couple 3 years! 

Tony have you seen recently? 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

1 hour ago, palmnut-fry said:

I nearly had a wreck when i first saw this "Master Palmed" Community off i35 & 190 in Carrollton a few years back.  I bet a few of those were killed last few years but are Sabals mostly so prob. good as i have not been up there in a couple 3 years! 

Tony have you seen recently? 

I ran through the area on google maps and it looks like good survival overall especially considering the location in the northern suburbs that likely saw close to 0F. I’m guessing the main factor that contributed to survival was the fact that they have been there since 2007, at Least for one of the communities I checked out. Seems like the vast majority of Sabal kills here were ones that were probably more recent transplants that don’t have as established of a root system. Heck I’ve seen recent transplants at a restaurant near me die after 10F last year 

[palmnut-fry]

Thanks for the update, Dreamin'! I never thought they had been there that long, jeez 18 years? But,          i almost never go on toll road 190 much less i35 w/ongoing construction etc! Amazing, i salute that developer's approval and the landscape company that installed! It is kick ass by the lake there and the colorfully painted houses- you can pretend you are on the Gulf of Mex! I hope Ray Hubbard  over by me gets such a palmatization but so far only a few noted. 

Definitely a good theory about survival rates relation to etc Yes, this is a big factor. 🌴❄️😆

[DreaminAboutPalms]

3 hours ago, palmnut-fry said:

Thanks for the update, Dreamin'! I never thought they had been there that long, jeez 18 years? But,          i almost never go on toll road 190 much less i35 w/ongoing construction etc! Amazing, i salute that developer's approval and the landscape company that installed! It is kick ass by the lake there and the colorfully painted houses- you can pretend you are on the Gulf of Mex! I hope Ray Hubbard  over by me gets such a palmatization but so far only a few noted. 

Definitely a good theory about survival rates relation to etc Yes, this is a big factor. 🌴❄️😆

I know they are building a huge resort called Sapphire Bay in Rowlett on Lake Ray Hubbard. In the mock up images, it looks very palmy with lots of feather leaf palms. I'm anxiously awaiting what they will actually plant. 

https://sapphirebaytexas.com

[PalmloveDFW]

Good Size palms in a Plano neighborhood  lots of palms in this area. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

In Addison - a pretty big palmetto for Dallas. Has been there almost 20 years. Were two others but they died in 2021

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Not as good as the yard off Deloache close to Hwy 12, but here's another mass planting of Sabals in north Addison. Some died in 2021 including a few Washingtonia and chamaerops that were also planted, but the majority survived. Looks like the neighbor next door has a few nice sabals as well, but visibility is not great when driving past. 

There's also more trachies and sabals in this neighborhood, but not as many as this yard

[Matthew92]

3 hours ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Not as good as the yard off Deloache close to Hwy 12, but here's another mass planting of Sabals in north Addison. Some died in 2021 including a few Washingtonia and chamaerops that were also planted, but the majority survived. Looks like the neighbor next door has a few nice sabals as well, but visibility is not great when driving past. 

There's also more trachies and sabals in this neighborhood, but not as many as this yard

Sorry a little off topic, but I noticed the Italian cypress look a little rough. You think that is from cold, wind, or something else? While the Italian cypress are nice, growers have come out with some cultivars of Juniperus virginiana (Eastern red cedar) which have the same great columnar form as Italian cypress and are bulletproof through pretty much anything in the South-Central/Southeast US. Two that I know of are "Taylor" and "Silver Spear."

[KPoff]

On 2/5/2025 at 2:23 PM, palmnut-fry said:

Oh wow that's Uptown area, right? I had not seen this Sabal forest b4! 😍 It's like a surreal dream that we had that huge Jubaea @Dallas Aquarium. I always used to exit and go by Woodall Rogers Fwy to see! He put in some Trachys last year or so?

@palmnut-fry I remember being amazed by those chamaerops when I was at Dallas World Aquarium in the summer of 2024. I wondered if they were there pre 2021 or not? If so they are tough to have survived that and impressive considering they are chamaerops and obviously cold hardy but mot sabal cold hardy.

[PAPalmtrees]

On 2/5/2025 at 5:16 PM, TonyDFW said:

Here are some palms at some apt complexes in north Texas 

WOW if I didn't know any better I would think that picture was taken in the Carolinas 

[palmnut-fry]

@KPoff No, i am sure they replaced the huge 40 ft Jubaea that croaked in that spot around then, but like the Trachys lining side street, is a recent install. They just plant them huge, gawd knows how much he paid for these specimens or who he got them from but the owners are obviously palm freaks! Luv it!

I bet they ain't liking this week 🥶

It briefly went above freezing after last 2 days of below. This was a really cold blast but almost over. 

Note my thumbnail pic is a bottle palm that was rolled out for the summers! One of my fav species! 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

1 hour ago, Matthew92 said:

Sorry a little off topic, but I noticed the Italian cypress look a little rough. You think that is from cold, wind, or something else? While the Italian cypress are nice, growers have come out with some cultivars of Juniperus virginiana (Eastern red cedar) which have the same great columnar form as Italian cypress and are bulletproof through pretty much anything in the South-Central/Southeast US. Two that I know of are "Taylor" and "Silver Spear."

Ya Italian cypress do not do well here long term. The extreme temperature swings really stress them out and make them susceptible to disease. That’s why they look partially fried a lot of the time

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Plano - 2 huge trachies and a smaller one in the yard next door

[KPoff]

1 hour ago, palmnut-fry said:

@KPoff No, i am sure they replaced the huge 40 ft Jubaea that croaked in that spot around then, but like the Trachys lining side street, is a recent install. They just plant them huge, gawd knows how much he paid for these specimens or who he got them from but the owners are obviously palm freaks! Luv it!

I bet they ain't liking this week 🥶

It briefly went above freezing after last 2 days of below. This was a really cold blast but almost over. 

Note my thumbnail pic is a bottle palm that was rolled out for the summers! One of my fav species! 

@palmnut-fry if you happen to go by there after this week and think about it I’d be interested to know how the chamaerops did. I planted two at my house in west Texas and anxious to uncover them and see how they did this week. They are on the south side and were wrapped in fleece with frost cloth over the top. We were a few degrees colder than Dallas but we are going to warm up a lot faster this weekend and be 84 Monday.

[jwitt]

@KPoff This is my green med palm.  It saw about 4f last month unprotected .  About 50-60% leaf loss.

1/31/25

 

Today after trimming 

[PAPalmtrees]

Here are some palmettos and Trachys in Plano, Texas https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0371376,-96.7972738,3a,24.4y,157.56h,98.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svWXQYWq5YRtnFIIRLZxEFg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-8.18991505362024%26panoid%3DvWXQYWq5YRtnFIIRLZxEFg%26yaw%3D157.55532580400984!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0406441,-96.7963221,3a,48.9y,279.7h,89.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sD54xhwbV_rPcwRw0G2n_yw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.13772220985285344%26panoid%3DD54xhwbV_rPcwRw0G2n_yw%26yaw%3D279.70111594092265!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[KPoff]

8 hours ago, jwitt said:

@KPoff This is my green med palm.  It saw about 4f last month unprotected .  About 50-60% leaf loss.

1/31/25

 

Today after trimming 

@jwitt I’ll share a picture of mine after I uncover them tomorrow! I’m hoping for the best! This is the first winter in the ground.

[DreaminAboutPalms]

10 hours ago, PaPalmTrees said:

Here are some palmettos and Trachys in Plano, Texas https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0371376,-96.7972738,3a,24.4y,157.56h,98.19t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svWXQYWq5YRtnFIIRLZxEFg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-8.18991505362024%26panoid%3DvWXQYWq5YRtnFIIRLZxEFg%26yaw%3D157.55532580400984!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.0406441,-96.7963221,3a,48.9y,279.7h,89.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sD54xhwbV_rPcwRw0G2n_yw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.13772220985285344%26panoid%3DD54xhwbV_rPcwRw0G2n_yw%26yaw%3D279.70111594092265!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

There are dozens of nice sabals in that neighborhood 

[jwitt]

3 hours ago, KPoff said:

@jwitt I’ll share a picture of mine after I uncover them tomorrow! I’m hoping for the best! This is the first winter in the ground.

I wish you the best.  10f and below is when damage(leaf) shows on mine.  I do not protect. 

 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

1 hour ago, jwitt said:

I wish you the best.  10f and below is when damage(leaf) shows on mine.  I do not protect. 

 

Looks like we had nights of 19,14,13 this week. Will be curious to see how stuff holds up - especially the filiferas around here. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

I posted this in here awhile ago, but for everyone that lives in Dallas I highly recommend checking these out if you're on the tollway crossing under Hwy 12. Best mass planting by far. 

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8695155,-96.8086132,3a,75y,130.36h,82.99t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1siA8m_wUaHzfdrUndEdjuEA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.010103723519364%26panoid%3DiA8m_wUaHzfdrUndEdjuEA%26yaw%3D130.35883458330292!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[jwitt]

9 minutes ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Looks like we had nights of 19,14,13 this week. Will be curious to see how stuff holds up - especially the filiferas around here. 

Mine saw about 4f with no days below freezing. A very quick blast.  My filifera took nearly a month to brown, but incredibly still have "some" green.  

So in Dallas, the browning ( if any) may occur as they resume growth.  Mine are leaf hardy to about 12f. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Saw this one on my drive home today. About a block south of 635 off of Montfort. This is also one that retained a lot of green after February 2021. Based on what I’ve seen on google maps, this was either a volunteer that originated from a planting nearby, or someone threw a handful of seeds where this popped up. There’s also another one at this same apartment complex that’s a bit shorter. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

14 hours ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Saw this one on my drive home today. About a block south of 635 off of Montfort. This is also one that retained a lot of green after February 2021. Based on what I’ve seen on google maps, this was either a volunteer that originated from a planting nearby, or someone threw a handful of seeds where this popped up. There’s also another one at this same apartment complex that’s a bit shorter. 

Pics from March 2021, and summer 2016 when it first became visible on streetview. I’m guessing this palm is just over 10 years old. Also looks like it is planted right in front of a gutter which probably helps. Trunk has nearly doubled in size since 2021 

[KPoff]

On 2/20/2025 at 9:33 PM, jwitt said:

@KPoff This is my green med palm.  It saw about 4f last month unprotected .  About 50-60% leaf loss.

1/31/25

 

Today after trimming 

@jwitt Here’s mine after uncovering this morning. Maybe a little early to tell but they look mostly undamaged after a low of 10, 14, and 20 with 3 days below freezing. I feel like it would be noticeable already if I was going to have major damage. I see a frond or two on each one that has some minor damage. I did protect though since it’s their first winter in the ground. I wrapped them with fleece and then covered with frost cloth so I cheated.

[jwitt]

5 hours ago, KPoff said:

@jwitt Here’s mine after uncovering this morning. Maybe a little early to tell but they look mostly undamaged after a low of 10, 14, and 20 with 3 days below freezing. I feel like it would be noticeable already if I was going to have major damage. I see a frond or two on each one that has some minor damage. I did protect though since it’s their first winter in the ground. I wrapped them with fleece and then covered with frost cloth so I cheated.

Very nice.

10f is my number for leaf damage beginning. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Finally they updated streetview next to this wild filifera downtown. 8 years progress. Will try to drive past later this week to get a sense of how much damage it took last week 

[palmnut-fry]

@JWitt & Dreamin, yes, last week was surreal like dark cold days but luckily dry except for ironic "lake effect snows" in and around town. My 60 W lightbulb did the trick (i put a remote temp gauge to track) but it kept the temps by the wrapped Brahea armatas a good 10° warmer (and above freezing on those days the airtemp never did! So over 60 hrs below freezing)! It was ridiculously long freeze, 5th winter now we have been exposed to such harshness, a new record?

Even with my low-capacity greenhouse heater on "High" it dropped below freezing (28°) for a few hours those 2 coldest of nights! Little if any damage in there afterwards TG! Mostly have cacti, a few perennials like impatiens and the asstd Boston ferns.

P.S. Hey Dreamin i agree, that estate on Douglas (that used to be my territory in LS co days actually) i never had seen! Holy Cow🌴🤩 Talk about a palmatization creation! That must be a former Cali richy Rich moved here. Luv it! And luv this week of 75°, we deserved it!

[DreaminAboutPalms]

About a dozen trunking Sabals at this Arlington mansion, and many more seedlings and volunteers. Even more interesting, is looking back at street views of the past there were 6 Sabals that were taller than the house. Looks like 3 died after 2011, and other 3 died in 2021.

Given that this house was built in 2001, they were probably almost this tall when planted, but still cool nonetheless

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Another Arlington yard with 5+ mature Sabals

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Another live CIDP off Matlock road in Arlington a bit south of the Wells Fargo. Doesn’t look great now and probably won’t until 10 months from now, but judging off 2020 street view it could have a pretty sizeable crown again if we get a few mild winters in a row 

[palmnut-fry]

They must have had this Phoenix wrapped and heating cables to look this good after our last cold blast! Or maybe this is an older street view? That is awesome @DreaminAboutPalms

Meanwhile in Dallas today-

I discovered a Sabal bermudana i planted on my bike route after 18 years! I was on my way back through the forest north of Whiterock Lake today (also was passed by a Google streetview  car! Really amazing to find after all these years looking for one after i threw out a bucket-full of seeds that year! I bet there are others!