Miracles never cease in these parts

[Alex High]

On 5/28/2023 at 3:03 PM, jwitt said:

Albuquerque's first palm tree fire?

Nice recovery none the less!

Pic- 5/28/23

Looks like it bloomed last year.

Thanks for doing an update on this one, I was quite worried when I noticed the fire damage on street view but thankfully the spear still looked green, amazing how quickly it recovered!

On 5/28/2023 at 3:19 PM, jwitt said:

Is somebody warranting robusta with date palms in zone 7(a)?

Amazing! I remember the robusta they planted with those dactylifera died but awesome to see the dactys have survived another winter, and they planted more! Is that area zone 7a?

[jwitt]

14 hours ago, Alex High said:

Thanks for doing an update on this one, I was quite worried when I noticed the fire damage on street view but thankfully the spear still looked green, amazing how quickly it recovered!

Amazing! I remember the robusta they planted with those dactylifera died but awesome to see the dactys have survived another winter, and they planted more! Is that area zone 7a?

Yes 7a.  

A degree or three warmer than Corrales station.  Zone wise one of the colder parts of town along the river and outlet of Calabacitas arroyo(canyon). 

These palms saw zonal temperatures their first winter(2021/22), low single digits!

They will see worse.....

Edited June 5, 2023 by jwitt

[Alex High]

6 hours ago, jwitt said:

Yes 7a.  

A degree or three warmer than Corrales station.  Zone wise one of the colder parts of town along the river and outlet of Calabacitas arroyo(canyon). 

These palms saw zonal temperatures their first winter(2021/22), low single digits!

They will see worse.....

Gosh... Looking back at your original post you literally wrote zone 7a and I still asked you what zone it is. I need more sleep...

Anyways thanks and that's really impressive, I hope they make it long term! There is another big dactylifera across the river in North Valley at Plant World nursery that was also planted as a large specimen in either 2019 or 2020 and it's survived several winters now.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.17365,-106.6142293,3a,15y,303.91h,90.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQitKz_QXKO6SJ-Mo0FHpjA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Additionally there is a Phoenix canariensis near the Sandia Foothills that was planted before the first streetview of the area in October 2007. In the nearly 16 years since then it has BARELY grown in size, as it defoliates most winters and spends most of growing season regrowing its crown. And yet, it seems pretty fully hardy there, having clearly been through some bad freezes. Pretty remarkable that in a place so far from an ocean/large moderating body of water a palm can reliably defoliate yet not be killed by the bad freezes. It seems transplanting a big Phoenix is the best strategy if you want a big one, because it will take forever for this one to reach the size of those dactylifera. I am super impressed with these zone 7 Phoenix palms, there must be others out there in the ABQ area.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1168111,-106.5060985,3a,21.3y,2.12h,82.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4hHOr4VDaFIoBi1I4cRRqQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

October 2007:

Now:

[Alex High]

Additionally, thought I'd share these mule palms someone posted on Facebook in Elephant Butte, NM, just north of Truth or Consequences. They were planted within the last 2 years but they survived this winter (with defoliation) and are growing back rapidly. Seriously impressive! These palms, tough though they are, can get killed pretty far south in Texas and the Southeast during a polar vortex like February 2021. The dry climate in New Mexico makes a big difference!

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1982354,-107.2261457,3a,27.4y,258.11h,93.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2159pXMbq5rkhc05pGyKsw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

[Alex High]

On 1/9/2023 at 2:27 PM, jwitt said:

Numbers 3 and 4. Fort Bayard, NM. Highest reported elevation Washingtonia in the US!  They see zero and below on occasion and look to have no supplemental irrigation.  My hunch is they may have been seeded in place due to the curve on the one(or possibly growing sideways) after some kind of damage.  6000'!

They've updated the streetview!!! Here are the palms nearly a decade later. Pushing green for the umpteenth spring. And look at that trunk curve! Must have you drooling, certainly got me! Curiously the street they're on is called Calle De Las Palmas, or Street of the Palms/Palms Street. I bet the name has to do with these palms, they've clearly been there for quite a while! I'd love to learn the history behind them.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7933114,-108.1512376,3a,27.3y,283.66h,97.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKD5jRsjn_hrI2_Xx83ZYeA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, Alex High said:

They've updated the streetview!!! Here are the palms nearly a decade later. Pushing green for the umpteenth spring. And look at that trunk curve! Must have you drooling, certainly got me! Curiously the street they're on is called Calle De Las Palmas, or Street of the Palms/Palms Street. I bet the name has to do with these palms, they've clearly been there for quite a while! I'd love to learn the history behind them.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7933114,-108.1512376,3a,27.3y,283.66h,97.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKD5jRsjn_hrI2_Xx83ZYeA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Yeah, I got excited on the street name also.  Forgot what is is exactly, but Google has it wrong.  Lot of buffalo soldier history and old pics. No palms tho I could find.

But the same is true with Phx, az. No palms until someone planted a washy hybrid with seeds from Hawaii!

Imagine if those ft Bayard palms got some water other than the roof runoff.

[jwitt]

4 hours ago, Alex High said:

Additionally, thought I'd share these mule palms someone posted on Facebook in Elephant Butte, NM, just north of Truth or Consequences. They were planted within the last 2 years but they survived this winter (with defoliation) and are growing back rapidly. Seriously impressive! These palms, tough though they are, can get killed pretty far south in Texas and the Southeast during a polar vortex like February 2021. The dry climate in New Mexico makes a big difference!

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1982354,-107.2261457,3a,27.4y,258.11h,93.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2159pXMbq5rkhc05pGyKsw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Crazy!

Looks like one has a bloom coming.

[Alex High]

9 hours ago, jwitt said:

Yeah, I got excited on the street name also.  Forgot what is is exactly, but Google has it wrong.  Lot of buffalo soldier history and old pics. No palms tho I could find.

But the same is true with Phx, az. No palms until someone planted a washy hybrid with seeds from Hawaii!

Imagine if those ft Bayard palms got some water other than the roof runoff.

Yes I tried to find some old pics of the palms but came up empty. Good point, yeah I saw that video of the first palm planted in Phoenix, very interesting. I'm kind of surprised it came from Hawaii and not Southern California, where there were already robusta growing. I would have thought robusta were planted in California before Hawaii. Yeah if they were actually watered they would probably grow a lot more. Honestly really impressive they survive completely neglected there, a testament to their drought tolerance. They must endure months of no rain sometimes. Even the wild ones in the desert grow along streams/springs with constant water flow, as evidenced below:

7 hours ago, jwitt said:

Crazy!

Looks like one has a bloom coming.

I think they all do, crazy indeed! Imagine if they produced seed, that would be awesome. Definitely worth trying in a sheltered spot in Albuquerque, I bet they could grow at least marginally there if these ones made it completely exposed and in the open.

 

[jwitt]

Every 5-15 years here(ABQ) we get what I call "palm killing weather".  These events are not our standard zonal low that most often happen on cold radiational(still) nights.  No, these events are events that happen when the polar stars align.

The setup involves arctic air coming down the great plains and a low pressure system coming from the west. When this happens, all bets are off. You have a low pressure system sucking polar high pressure from the plains thru and over the Sandia mountains just to ABQ's east.  This is what brings the below zero weather to ABQ, along with it, rain, snow, and very high winds. That would be an east wind clocked nearly 100mph at the base of the mountains(Albuquerque heights).

One such event happened in 12/1990. The sunport temps were:

12/21  31f/22f
12/22 23f/4f
12/23 18f/-7f
12/24 21f/-2f
12/25 28f/0f
12/26 35f/5f
12/27 30f/7f

Going back a bit earlier(early 1980's), the Rio Grande zoo had planted some palms(minor/trachy) and some eucalyptus trees(e. Gunni/red gum) and posted a sign saying palms and Eucalyptus could grow in ABQ.  I thought I had died and gone to heaven!

Sadly the Eucalyptus were removed after 2011. The trachies also. But they survived 1990.  In fact the Eucalyptus grew taller than the bosque(cottonwood forest). Fifty feet!

2/28/2002

The area was remodeled and the area was made into a building after 2011.   2011 could of killed them, don't know....

On a side note, the zoo is in the south valley, averages a couple degrees colder lows and higher highs than the airport. 

More about those east winds and what actually protects what I term the ABQ palm zone.  Seen in the below pic, but more to it than just the north/south mountain range......

Edited June 11, 2023 by jwitt
Word cleanup

[Alex High]

5 hours ago, jwitt said:

Every 5-15 years here(ABQ) we get what I call "palm killing weather".  These events are not our standard zonal low that most often happen on cold radiational(still) nights.  No, these events are events that happen when the polar stars align.

The setup involves arctic air coming down the great plains and a low pressure system coming from the west. When this happens, all bets are off. You have a low pressure system sucking polar high pressure from the plains thru and over the Sandia mountains just to ABQ's east.  This is what brings the below zero weather to ABQ, along with it, rain, snow, and very high winds. That would be an east wind clocked nearly 100mph at the base of the mountains(Albuquerque heights).

One such event happened in 12/1990. The sunport temps were:

12/21  31f/22f
12/22 23f/4f
12/23 18f/-7f
12/24 21f/-2f
12/25 28f/0f
12/26 35f/5f
12/27 30f/7f

Going back a bit earlier(early 1980's), the Rio Grande zoo had planted some palms(minor/trachy) and some eucalyptus trees(e. Gunni/red gum) and posted a sign saying palms and Eucalyptus could grow in ABQ.  I thought I had died and gone to heaven!

Sadly the Eucalyptus were removed after 2011. The trachies also. But they survived 1990.  In fact the Eucalyptus grew taller than the bosque(cottonwood forest). Fifty feet!

2/28/2002

The area was remodeled and the area was made into a building after 2011.   2011 could of killed them, don't know....

On a side note, the zoo is in the south valley, averages a couple degrees colder lows and higher highs than the airport. 

More about those east winds and what actually protects what I term the ABQ palm zone.  Seen in the below pic, but more to it than just the north/south mountain range......

Really great information, thanks for sharing this! I'm really impressed by that Eucalyptus, sad they removed it. Do you know of any others in Albuquerque or New Mexico as a whole for that matter? I know the Zoo still has lots of palms including that big trunking Sabal (palmetto I think?).

Actually, I was wondering if you know if this palm is still there. It looks like a Chamaerops and the main two trunks look dead but it looks like one of the suckers was growing back.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0791583,-106.6621819,2a,18y,338.67h,75.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEdiHBWH3UkwBCMRe4EFcOw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Also I was wondering if you know what this palm is. Really not sure what it is, I hope it's still there!

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0791399,-106.661775,2a,43.3y,209.97h,46.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smaLTmPwFWmbAZfG-5FfLmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, Alex High said:

Really great information, thanks for sharing this! I'm really impressed by that Eucalyptus, sad they removed it. Do you know of any others in Albuquerque or New Mexico as a whole for that matter? I know the Zoo still has lots of palms including that big trunking Sabal (palmetto I think?).

Actually, I was wondering if you know if this palm is still there. It looks like a Chamaerops and the main two trunks look dead but it looks like one of the suckers was growing back.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0791583,-106.6621819,2a,18y,338.67h,75.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEdiHBWH3UkwBCMRe4EFcOw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Also I was wondering if you know what this palm is. Really not sure what it is, I hope it's still there!

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0791399,-106.661775,2a,43.3y,209.97h,46.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smaLTmPwFWmbAZfG-5FfLmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I haven't been to the zoo in several years. So I can not help on those questions.

As far as euc's, a nice one exists in my neighborhood at @SailorBoldhouse.  I will let him chime in. 

There was a row in Corrales that died to the ground in 2011. They regrew but were taken out.  Pics from 2008

Edited June 12, 2023 by jwitt
Additional info

[SailorBold]

Here is my 'baby blue' eucalyptus.. take a look now because I might remove it soon..(not the best placement)..  I havent had any problems with it at all.

I've seen several around town.. a silver dollar.. not cineria(sp)..good size but not tall.. some neglectas..and gunni.. one I think would be good here is 'parvula'.. 

[Alex High]

12 hours ago, SailorBold said:

Here is my 'baby blue' eucalyptus.. take a look now because I might remove it soon..(not the best placement)..  I havent had any problems with it at all.

I've seen several around town.. a silver dollar.. not cineria(sp)..good size but not tall.. some neglectas..and gunni.. one I think would be good here is 'parvula'.. 

Wow that is really beautiful, I hope it doesn't get removed but I know they can become a bit of a problem in certain locations. Does it burn in bad winters? I would love to know of any around town if you happen to have any locations. Thanks for sharing, gorgeous Eucalyptus!

[ahosey01]

On 6/5/2023 at 8:29 PM, jwitt said:

Yeah, I got excited on the street name also.  Forgot what is is exactly, but Google has it wrong.  Lot of buffalo soldier history and old pics. No palms tho I could find.

But the same is true with Phx, az. No palms until someone planted a washy hybrid with seeds from Hawaii!

Imagine if those ft Bayard palms got some water other than the roof runoff.

I don't know how accurate I think this is regarding Phoenix.  Supposedly Alexander Lemon brought back some Washingtonia filifera seeds during a trip to Hawaii, and the palm was planted in 1879.  I believe the first part (the seed source) is hearsay, but the second part (the planting date) is supported by evidence.  There just so happens to be a massive grove of Washingtonia north of Phoenix along Castle Creek in southern Yavapai County that was reported by an Italian explorer passing through the area on a wagon road in 1876 - right around that time that palm was planted.  Tons of seed is set there every year.  Most of the locals around here that know anything about palms know about that stand, and I have to imagine it was similar back then.  I believe they even took entire palms from there to landscape the Garden of Allah Ranch (now the Hassayampa River Preserve) in 1915-ish.

 

My own speculation, but fun and interesting palm history nonetheless.

[jwitt]

On 6/14/2023 at 9:52 AM, ahosey01 said:

I don't know how accurate I think this is regarding Phoenix.  Supposedly Alexander Lemon brought back some Washingtonia filifera seeds during a trip to Hawaii, and the palm was planted in 1879.  I believe the first part (the seed source) is hearsay, but the second part (the planting date) is supported by evidence.  There just so happens to be a massive grove of Washingtonia north of Phoenix along Castle Creek in southern Yavapai County that was reported by an Italian explorer passing through the area on a wagon road in 1876 - right around that time that palm was planted.  Tons of seed is set there every year.  Most of the locals around here that know anything about palms know about that stand, and I have to imagine it was similar back then.  I believe they even took entire palms from there to landscape the Garden of Allah Ranch (now the Hassayampa River Preserve) in 1915-ish.

 

My own speculation, but fun and interesting palm history nonetheless.

I have a somewhat different take. 

First the species name(Washingtonia filifera) is derived from seeds most likely brought to Belgium from Castle creek. A hidden and really unknown grove, actually several groves.  

Good accounting here on the discovery  in 1876.  https://www.public.asu.edu/~camartin/plants/Plant html files/washingtonia_filifera.htm

I personally have wondered how high up the "rim" filifera could go.  While going to school in PHX, I would sometimes travel US60 crossing the Salt river canyon. There was a grove of 40-50 palms visible from the road.  Natural, naturalized, I don't know.  That grove is now 3 palms. Flooding took them out a decade(?) ago.  I always wondered how much further upstream they could grow?

These palms are at about 3400' in elevation.  Native or planted, the cool factor is palms growing into the pinion/juniper zone!

I bet there are even more groves undiscovered along the rim.  Have they creeped up from PHX? Unsure.  What we do know, robusta and robusta hybrids have not.  So I have my doubts they came out of PHX and it's heavy hybrid mix.  Anyways, that is my hunch.

Back to the original PHX palm. Yes the date is clear, as photo evidence exists.  People even took their pic In front of this palm. This was the late 1800's and photography was kind of a rare and special thing and how special the palm was..  The other thing about the pics, they look like a hybrid, definately not a seed from a native grove. 

Now as to the travels and the Hawaii "thing"

The seeds taken from this grove (Castle Creek) was actually a traveller, travelling from Santa Fe. This is telling in that that was the route to/from Prescott/PHX.

If travelling  to the west coast(like going to Hawaii) one from PHX would hop on the train at Maricopa. Not take a stage coach from PHX to Prescott and over to Ehernberg. The Prescott route was used to head NE(Denver/st Louis/Chicago, Santa Fe).  See the routes from the time.

As far as the Hawaii thing. It fits. I like to think Lahaina, Maui as it was bustling at this time with humpback whale hunters.  The other place these hunters hunted, was the Sea of Cortez, Mexico. Robusta central! 

So take a traveller from PHX going to Lahaina in the 1860's.  Mesquite had escaped the missionary plantings and were naturaling. This traveler may have thought he was back in PHX looking at S mountain. Even down to the same cruel sun in both places.  And here were these palms growing in a desert(but along the ocean) that looked very similar. 

Present day Maui looking like AZ!

 

So that is my personal takeaway.

1. The palms In PHX from the picture (s) don't look look like pure filifera. Not close. 

 

2. Hawaii had many plants escape and naturalize prior to the travels of the time(late 1800's).  Many of these plants were also common to the American/Mexican deserts. Travelling was common between Hawaii and the Washingtonia native range(robusta). Heck, it was an economy at the time(whaling). 

3. The route to Hawaii from PHX did not go north of Wickenberg, and most likely thru Maricopa.  While they would go close to Kofa, but it was not discovered until 1923. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jwitt]

Happy birthday to some of my new groves! 

ABQ sourced seed! Can't wait to see what they become! Thanks @Ltapia

[Quasarecho]

48 minutes ago, jwitt said:

I have a somewhat different take. 

First the species name(Washingtonia filifera) is derived from seeds most likely brought to Belgium from Castle creek. A hidden and really unknown grove, actually several groves.  

Good accounting here on the discovery  in 1876.  https://www.public.asu.edu/~camartin/plants/Plant html files/washingtonia_filifera.htm

I personally have wondered how high up the "rim" filifera could go.  While going to school in PHX, I would sometimes travel US60 crossing the Salt river canyon. There was a grove of 40-50 palms visible from the road.  Natural, naturalized, I don't know.  That grove is now 3 palms. Flooding took them out a decade(?) ago.  I always wondered how much further upstream they could grow?

These palms are at about 3400' in elevation.  Native or planted, the cool factor is palms growing into the pinion/juniper zone!

I bet there are even more groves undiscovered along the rim.  Have they creeped up from PHX? Unsure.  What we do know, robusta and robusta hybrids have not.  So I have my doubts they came out of PHX and it's heavy hybrid mix.  Anyways, that is my hunch.

Back to the original PHX palm. Yes the date is clear, as photo evidence exists.  People even took their pic In front of this palm. This was the late 1800's and photography was kind of a rare and special thing and how special the palm was..  The other thing about the pics, they look like a hybrid, definately not a seed from a native grove. 

Now as to the travels and the Hawaii "thing"

The seeds taken from this grove (Castle Creek) was actually a traveller, travelling from Santa Fe. This is telling in that that was the route to/from Prescott/PHX.

If travelling  to the west coast(like going to Hawaii) one from PHX would hop on the train at Maricopa. Not take a stage coach from PHX to Prescott and over to Ehernberg. The Prescott route was used to head NE(Denver/st Louis/Chicago, Santa Fe).  See the routes from the time.

As far as the Hawaii thing. It fits. I like to think Lahaina, Maui as it was bustling at this time with humpback whale hunters.  The other place these hunters hunted, was the Sea of Cortez, Mexico. Robusta central! 

So take a traveller from PHX going to Lahaina in the 1860's.  Mesquite had escaped the missionary plantings and were naturaling. This traveler may have thought he was back in PHX looking at S mountain. Even down to the same cruel sun in both places.  And here were these palms growing in a desert(but along the ocean) that looked very similar. 

Present day Maui looking like AZ!

 

So that is my personal takeaway.

1. The palms In PHX from the picture (s) don't look look like pure filifera. Not close. 

 

2. Hawaii had many plants escape and naturalize prior to the travels of the time(late 1800's).  Many of these plants were also common to the American/Mexican deserts. Travelling was common between Hawaii and the Washingtonia native range(robusta). Heck, it was an economy at the time(whaling). 

3. The route to Hawaii from PHX did not go north of Wickenberg, and most likely thru Maricopa.  While they would go close to Kofa, but it was not discovered until 1923. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting article about the AZ palms.

[Ltapia]

1 hour ago, jwitt said:

Happy birthday to some of my new groves! 

ABQ sourced seed! Can't wait to see what they become! Thanks @Ltapia

Nice man glad they popped !! Keep us updated .

[jwitt]

Christmas miracles in the desert! @SailorBoldvisited bearing gifts! Thank you so much!

What Santa bring? A strap leaf sabal mexicana, some TorC filifera seed, and BxJf3 seed from his tree!

Sabal was planted. Using shade structure to acclimate. 

The filifera seed is soaking. 

That BxJ seed. Too cool! From the neighborhood! 

So I soaked the dry fruit for 24 hours and it rehydrated. I ate one and it tasted like a guava/ apricot mix, slightly less sweet. Very tasty!

And I am still here!

Here is the dry fruit, rehydrated fruit, and seed pod cleaned of flesh.

Cleaning the flesh off

Seed pods with flea removed

I tried multiple methods to open the seed pod. Pliers(many types), vice, hammer on cement. After several cracked, and subsequently eaten coquitos, I found my best method to be rocks. 

Success!

I extracted the mini coconut, ate any I damaged, and will soak before direct sowing.  I still got seed needing to be cleaned, and will pot these up. .

 

And yes the cracked coquitos were all eaten. Delicious!

The harvest!

The end of a productive day!

[Alex High]

Check out this Washy behind Lovelace Women's Hospital!

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1326124,-106.5911341,3a,15y,172.47h,88.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sU2CBpSKCb2KpZ40JppcFUw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu

[Alex High]

Unfortunately this Washy on Edith Blvd. is gone 😢

@ChrisA said he went by there a couple weeks ago and they chopped it down 😡

And for no apparent reason, it was very healthy looking in the last Street View image from February. Makes me so mad when people cut down palms for no reason, especially rare ones in colder climates like this!

[jwitt]

6 hours ago, Alex High said:

Unfortunately this Washy on Edith Blvd. is gone 😢

@ChrisA said he went by there a couple weeks ago and they chopped it down 😡

And for no apparent reason, it was very healthy looking in the last Street View image from February. Makes me so mad when people cut down palms for no reason, especially rare ones in colder climates like this!

My filifera suffered snow damage and about 14f in February after the google dates for streetview. Maybe the owners thought it was dead as they can "brown up" before they start growing.  Just my hunch....

Sux tho!

2/9/23

4/9/23 suspected snow damage showing on leaves(zoom in on larger filifera)

4/20/23 trimmed up

[Ltapia]

On 6/18/2023 at 10:47 AM, jwitt said:

Christmas miracles in the desert! @SailorBoldvisited bearing gifts! Thank you so much!

What Santa bring? A strap leaf sabal mexicana, some TorC filifera seed, and BxJf3 seed from his tree!

Sabal was planted. Using shade structure to acclimate. 

The filifera seed is soaking. 

That BxJ seed. Too cool! From the neighborhood! 

So I soaked the dry fruit for 24 hours and it rehydrated. I ate one and it tasted like a guava/ apricot mix, slightly less sweet. Very tasty!

And I am still here!

Here is the dry fruit, rehydrated fruit, and seed pod cleaned of flesh.

Cleaning the flesh off

Seed pods with flea removed

I tried multiple methods to open the seed pod. Pliers(many types), vice, hammer on cement. After several cracked, and subsequently eaten coquitos, I found my best method to be rocks. 

Success!

I extracted the mini coconut, ate any I damaged, and will soak before direct sowing.  I still got seed needing to be cleaned, and will pot these up. .

 

And yes the cracked coquitos were all eaten. Delicious!

The harvest!

The end of a productive day!

Nice shade structure where did you find this kind of needing something for some fresh seedlings ?

[5am]

12 hours ago, Ltapia said:

Nice shade structure where did you find this

Looks like the bottom section of a resin storage shelf. You can find them at your local blue or orange big box home improvement stores. 

[jwitt]

Yes, one section of a shelf. 

[Ltapia]

3 hours ago, jwitt said:

Yes, one section of a shelf. 

Would you suggest using this method on some seedlings that just spouted so they don’t get torched by the sun I have them In a shady well lit area ?

[jwitt]

2 hours ago, Ltapia said:

Would you suggest using this method on some seedlings that just spouted so they don’t get torched by the sun I have them In a shady well lit area ?

If they are Washingtonia, full sun! Even "our" sun. 

I did shade protection on the sabal mexicana as it was sprouted/grown in another part of the country.  It is growing and shade protection has been removed. Maybe a bit early, but no discernable damage. 

Our June sun's strength is unrivaled in the US. Come on monsoon!

If your seedlings are growing in shade, sun acclimation can be assisted with shade(structure).  

About the Washingtonia, even reflected sun!

Edited July 2, 2023 by jwitt
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[jwitt]

@Ltapia

I have more shelving. You are welcome to it. Just contact me. 

[Ltapia]

54 minutes ago, jwitt said:

If they are Washingtonia, full sun! Even "our" sun. 

I did shade protection on the sabal mexicana as it was sprouted/grown in another part of the country.  It is growing and shade protection has been removed. Maybe a bit early, but no discernable damage. 

Our June sun's strength is unrivaled in the US. Come on monsoon!

If your seedlings are growing in shade, sun acclimation can be assisted with shade(structure).  

About the Washingtonia, even reflected sun!

I also planted some in the dirt as soon as they came up the sun cooked them so I have some in cups under shade these are filifera seeds from a az source .

[jwitt]

On 7/2/2023 at 2:51 PM, Ltapia said:

I also planted some in the dirt as soon as they came up the sun cooked them so I have some in cups under shade these are filifera seeds from a az source .

I have lost seedlings due to letting them dry out.  They like deep water.  

Never had damage from sun when direct seeded, at least as far as I can tell. But I don't let the soil dry out, at least below the surface.

[MarcusH]

1 hour ago, jwitt said:

I have lost seedlings due to letting them dry out.  They like deep water.  

Never had damage from sun when direct seeded, at least as far as I can tell. But I don't let the soil dry out, at least below the surface.

A forum member gave me Filiferas seeds about 9 months ago.  I had them growing in one pot but recently separated them and gave each one a bigger pot.  Most of them are in transplant shock I observed some leaf yellowing on some. I'm going to keep two to replace my Queens someday.  

[jwitt]

4 hours ago, MarcusH said:

A forum member gave me Filiferas seeds about 9 months ago.  I had them growing in one pot but recently separated them and gave each one a bigger pot.  Most of them are in transplant shock I observed some leaf yellowing on some. I'm going to keep two to replace my Queens someday.  

They will outgrow the transplant shock (root damage) in time.  That is time lost to your plants, which are going gangbusters for 9 months!

Imagine if direct seeded.....

Here is filifera, 1 week old and has not broken the soil surface. The tile is 13".  What is a pot doing to that species?

[SailorBold]

Here's a video of a local growing some filiferas in albuquerque..  glad to see this. His seed source is somewhere in AZ.. but they're looking to be true filiferas..

 

[jwitt]

Enter the fattening age!

Pretty things!

[Ltapia]

Here is the seedlings from the two big palms by charmers Rayado I believe .

[MarcusH]

On 7/4/2023 at 12:41 PM, jwitt said:

They will outgrow the transplant shock (root damage) in time.  That is time lost to your plants, which are going gangbusters for 9 months!

Imagine if direct seeded.....

Here is filifera, 1 week old and has not broken the soil surface. The tile is 13".  What is a pot doing to that species?

Yeah I know.  I actually planted one in a ground but for some reason that one is one of a smaller juvenile.  I guess I didn't make the hole wide enough for better root growth.  

[SailorBold]

On 7/6/2023 at 8:26 PM, Ltapia said:

Here is the seedlings from the two big palms by charmers Rayado I believe .

Good job!

[jwitt]

On 7/10/2023 at 11:44 AM, MarcusH said:

Yeah I know.  I actually planted one in a ground but for some reason that one is one of a smaller juvenile.  I guess I didn't make the hole wide enough for better root growth.  

I think they can go into a sort of shock and remain dormant for quite some time.  This ability to stop growing, helps  them to survive, drought, fire, and extreme cold.  

Not sure it was so much your hole prep, but maybe how this species deals with stress.

[Ltapia]

9 hours ago, SailorBold said:

Good job!

Thanks sir 

[jwitt]

On 7/6/2023 at 8:26 PM, Ltapia said:

Here is the seedlings from the two big palms by charmers Rayado I believe .

Nice, stubby buggers!

How old are they?