Washingtonia Filibusta/Filifera? Fayetteville north caroline

[WSimpson]

I can't believe I haven't seen this Washy  update yet , but it's good to see that that cold snap didn't hurt it too badly . 

The seedlings I got from you (  2 of them survived indoors last winter , but I killed one when it got too dry ) , are dong well . I think I will repot those  2  and plant them out next spring .

Will

Edited July 21, 2023 by Will Simpson

[knikfar]

On 7/21/2023 at 10:17 AM, MattInRaleigh said:

Any updates on that Washingtonia in Cary?

Not sure. I haven't followed up with him but I'll ask and see. 

[knikfar]

On 7/21/2023 at 10:17 AM, MattInRaleigh said:

Any updates on that Washingtonia in Cary?

I just checked. It died. 

[MattInRaleigh]

Sorry to hear! It was a fun experiment at least.

[MattInRaleigh]

I drove through Fayetteville yesterday and saw the Washingtonia by the side of the road.

[DAVEinMB]

43 minutes ago, MattInRaleigh said:

I drove through Fayetteville yesterday and saw the Washingtonia by the side of the road.

This washy is definitely a winner. Props to @ZPalms for getting seeds and volunteers distributed

[ZPalms]

1 hour ago, MattInRaleigh said:

I drove through Fayetteville yesterday and saw the Washingtonia by the side of the road.

 

42 minutes ago, DAVEinMB said:

This washy is definitely a winner. Props to @ZPalms for getting seeds and volunteers distributed

Awesome Matt! I hope you stopped and scooped up some seeds, I plan on going their soon for more seeds possibly, I keep having a major palm seed weevil issue with my collections that I scoop up! Looks like the new seeds are developing 🤠

Edited August 14, 2023 by ZPalms

[Las Palmas Norte]

I have four that have graduated to 2 gal. pots. They're enjoying the damp soil, sun and 95°F heat.

 

[Las Palmas Norte]

On 7/28/2023 at 12:54 PM, knikfar said:

I just checked. It died. 

How big was this one?

[MattInRaleigh]

1 hour ago, ZPalms said:

 

Awesome Matt! I hope you stopped and scooped up some seeds, I plan on going their soon for more seeds possibly, I keep having a major palm seed weevil issue with my collections that I scoop up! Looks like the new seeds are developing 🤠

I didn’t look for seeds on the ground thinking it was too early/late. It’s probably for the best since I already have many palms in pots waiting to be planted!

If you collect seeds later this year, please update the thread! If you’re “adventurous”, you could use a pole saw in the middle of the night to get fresh seed. 😆

[ZPalms]

1 hour ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

I have four that have graduated to 2 gal. pots. They're enjoying the damp soil, sun and 95°F heat.

 

They look great! Are you planning to plant them out next year?

 

42 minutes ago, MattInRaleigh said:

I didn’t look for seeds on the ground thinking it was too early/late. It’s probably for the best since I already have many palms in pots waiting to be planted!

If you collect seeds later this year, please update the thread! If you’re “adventurous”, you could use a pole saw in the middle of the night to get fresh seed. 😆

Theirs always hundreds of seeds laying everywhere on the ground, you can practically grab hand fulls if you comb the ground or sweep the sidewalk, I actually don't mind taking a pole saw out their in the middle of the day, I just don't own one because I definitely would of 😂

[Las Palmas Norte]

32 minutes ago, ZPalms said:

They look great! Are you planning to plant them out next year?

I have one already planted. It's busy developing new roots and not too much top growth at the moment. Not sure just yet what I'm planning for the remaining palms.

[Nomad NYC]

On 9/9/2022 at 2:07 PM, Nomad NYC said:

 

Three month update - my palms are now past the leaf strap stage, growing super fast - and without any fertilizer!

 

Out of the original 190 seeds that I received,  about 87 spouted  - but I currently have 60 of the Filibustas palmlings now.

Looks like It's almost time for me to get more bigger pots for them....

Not that anyone asked  but here is an "almost" a year update -

After this winter and spring,out of all those 60 seedlings, only these six plants survived :

As you can see, I did manage upgrade to bigger pots (  I lost some due to transplant shock in the process though ).

It also looks like I'll need to either repot them in even bigger pots, or try to plant them out in the ground here somewhere...

[Las Palmas Norte]

I have one planted that has stalled, but looks very healthy. Quite likely adjusting to it's new environment. The remaining 4 are in two gallon pots. They're stalky and went to palmate leaves somewhat rapidly. 

 

[Las Palmas Norte]

All grown from the same Fayetteville seed lot at the same time. I planted one and it put the brakes on. Scarcely grown at all in 6 months, meanwhile the remaining potted ones are twice the size.

 

[ZPalms]

I don't think I ever shared this photo before, but I took it on 9/17/2022. I thought it looked pretty, and I don't know why I didn't share it.

It's kind of a shame that these palms are in the location that they are. I wish a nursery, or specifically a palm nursery, or a garden would take over this property and give some care to these dudes and incorporate them.

[WSimpson]

I just hope that some idiot doesn't chainsaw them down , not knowing how cool they are there . Keep us posted on who buys that land .

Thanks ,

Will

[Las Palmas Norte]

2 hours ago, Will Simpson said:

I just hope that some idiot doesn't chainsaw them down , not knowing how cool they are there . Keep us posted on who buys that land .

Thanks ,

Will

Sadly the "cool" factor doesn't extend much beyond enthusiasts like us. Get the city or county to put a heritage tree sign up.😁

[Leelanau Palms]

1 hour ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Sadly the "cool" factor doesn't extend much beyond enthusiasts like us. Get the city or county to put a heritage tree sign up.😁

I like the way you think! Save the trees!

[ZPalms]

11 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Sadly the "cool" factor doesn't extend much beyond enthusiasts like us. Get the city or county to put a heritage tree sign up.😁

I don't even know if I can, since it's on a lot being sold. Would that even be allowed? 😂 I went and searched, and I'm not even sure if this tree could be considered if I looked at the right list because Washingtonia as a species isn't even listed for North Carolina, but Sabal palmetto is. So, they do consider palm trees, but it does make sense that Washingtonia is not on the list as it's definitely not a North Carolina native.

I'd do anything to make sure the tree was protected if I could; it's just, who would actually care and it be legal? 😭

[BeyondTheGarden]

There's nothing you can do, except buy the lot.  The vegetation belongs to whomever owns the lot and they can do as they please.  It's here today but it could easily be gone tomorrow.  There was a large Chamaerops in a similar situation just off I-5 in Washington that one day was nothing more than some chopped up frond litter.  Whoever buys the lot, with their financing and business plan and construction contracts, probably won't care about what the lot is, but what it is useful for, which is to make a profit.  

Enough of us have seedlings, and it's a zone push, so you have to appreciate the futility of its existence.  

Edit; aren't there also some Washingtonia on Lake Norman?  Lake Wylie on the NC/SC border? 

[Las Palmas Norte]

8 hours ago, ZPalms said:

I don't even know if I can, since it's on a lot being sold. Would that even be allowed?

My statement was made in jest. Having said that, some cities and districts have tree laws, although I'm quite certain these palms don't fall under any protected by-laws.

[ZPalms]

9 hours ago, BeyondTheGarden said:

There's nothing you can do, except buy the lot.  The vegetation belongs to whomever owns the lot and they can do as they please.  It's here today but it could easily be gone tomorrow.  There was a large Chamaerops in a similar situation just off I-5 in Washington that one day was nothing more than some chopped up frond litter.  Whoever buys the lot, with their financing and business plan and construction contracts, probably won't care about what the lot is, but what it is useful for, which is to make a profit.  

Enough of us have seedlings, and it's a zone push, so you have to appreciate the futility of its existence.  

Edit; aren't there also some Washingtonia on Lake Norman?  Lake Wylie on the NC/SC border? 

I just saw a video of washingtonias at lake wylie but they really don't look like they have desireable traits, so skinny, It would take one good freeze and they gone! which I guess could be said the same for bragg blvd one but its much thicker.

I really want more seeds because I should start growing some since all the ones I currently have planted out are from texas and It would be cool to compare.

[ShadyDan]

Just planted one of the offspring I received from @Las Palmas Norte. We will see how they handle my cold/wet 8b winters and cool/dry summers. Pretty much gave up on Washingtonias up here, but I couldn’t say no to trying this one out. 

[Las Palmas Norte]

7 hours ago, ShadyDan said:

Just planted one of the offspring I received from @Las Palmas Norte. We will see how they handle my cold/wet 8b winters and cool/dry summers. Pretty much gave up on Washingtonias up here, but I couldn’t say no to trying this one out. 

I've seen a couple of larger Washingtonia robusta. These always have some sort of overhead protection in the Autumn thru Spring. Keeping the weather off these seems to go a long way as does keeping the root zone from getting water logged in that season too. More wintering methods are needed for smaller palms. Expect to have frost burnt fronds every winter or outright death unexpectedly.

[Leelanau Palms]

@ZPalms , (and @BeyondTheGarden ,  @Las Palmas Norte , and the rest of y'all) do you think we should unify the two main Washingtonia Filibusta 'Faytetteville' threads? Like leave a post here pointing to the other thread or vice versa?

or 

[ZPalms]

I don’t mind visiting both, since both offer photos, the other one has more information though

[BeyondTheGarden]

I apologize that this will be slightly off the subject of the topic, but this very robusta looking Washingtonia  at 741 NC410 on the way to myrtle Beach.  In Chadbourn.

I cannot say hiw tall it is.  Way up there.  You can see it from Google maps.  It's visible from the south side but traffic was too thick and I was on a time crunch. 

 

And pics from google streetview probably show it better.   He has a bunch of palms by his pool. Butia and I think Sabals.

[DAVEinMB]

15 hours ago, BeyondTheGarden said:

I apologize that this will be slightly off the subject of the topic, but this very robusta looking Washingtonia  at 741 NC410 on the way to myrtle Beach.  In Chadbourn.

I cannot say hiw tall it is.  Way up there.  You can see it from Google maps.  It's visible from the south side but traffic was too thick and I was on a time crunch. 

 

And pics from google streetview probably show it better.   He has a bunch of palms by his pool. Butia and I think Sabals.

Last month I drove past this washy on my way back from Pittsburgh. It's been there awhile and I always forget to snap some pics when I pass it. Glad you were able to get one

[WSimpson]

Mine is so much Robusta I don't know what I can do when it gets that tall . I may need to just get my chainsaw out in Juneish , once I realize it's a goner ?

Will

 

I guess I'll have to call this " the good ole days " , but I'm good for another year ? 

[Leelanau Palms]

43 minutes ago, Will Simpson said:

Mine is so much Robusta I don't know what I can do when it gets that tall . I may need to just get my chainsaw out in Juneish , once I realize it's a goner ?

Will

 

I guess I'll have to call this " the good ole days " , but I'm good for another year ? 

Hoping it has more years left in it! I was visualizing a funeral pyre sort of flaming finale when that awful day comes....

I have in-laws in W-S ! I may need to do a pilgrimage before it's too late 

Edited March 6, 2024 by Leelanau Palms

[Las Palmas Norte]

Two months growth on this Fayetteville Washingtonia.

 

 

Today, Sept. 11 2024 (29" tall)

 

 

 

[Las Palmas Norte]

I have another Fayetteville that's recently growing obliquely. 

 

 

[ZPalms]

On 9/13/2024 at 6:35 PM, Las Palmas Norte said:

I have another Fayetteville that's recently growing obliquely. 

 

 

I wonder why they do this sometimes, I had a washie start growing like that and I put a rope on it to pull it back straight

[Las Palmas Norte]

2 hours ago, ZPalms said:

I wonder why they do this sometimes, I had a washie start growing like that and I put a rope on it to pull it back straight

What was the end result? I think I'll leave it as is. I don't think it's permanent.

[Las Palmas Norte]

End of the year update. The first 'Fayetteville' is unprotected and the 2nd is protected.

 

There's browning leaf tips on the fronds and a distinct water logged hue in the fronds. Unprotected.

 

Protected. Fronds look just as good as the day the shelter was erected. 

 

Copious amounts of rain here in the PNW this autumn and early winter. One cyclone bomb and a 3 very light frosts (33°F) at this point. Temps have been mainly above average but winter is only starting.

[tarnado]

7 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

browning leaf tips on the fronds and a distinct water logged hue in the fronds

Uff da, is there standing water in this photograph???

Even if there is not standing water, I am guessing this is the "muck" soil you mentioned a while ago, or something else?

[Nomad NYC]

On 8/26/2023 at 1:14 PM, Nomad NYC said:

Not that anyone asked  but here is an "almost" a year update -

After this winter and spring,out of all those 60 seedlings, only these six plants survived :

As you can see, I did manage upgrade to bigger pots (  I lost some due to transplant shock in the process though ).

It also looks like I'll need to either repot them in even bigger pots, or try to plant them out in the ground here somewhere...

...And for 2024, here is another year ( end ) update for my  own Washingtonia Filibusta "Fayateville" .

The above picture was taken last August , as you can see, I am down to only four plants now - one unfortunately died during the winter while I was away in France for a few weeks for some reason, and the other one croaked during the spring from what I believe to be transplant shock when I upgraded the pot container sizes.

My Fayateville survivors seem be growing nice and healthy, so maybe it's good that most of the others didn't make it, I probably now have the strongest of the strong from the batch of seeds that Zpalms had sent me .

I barely have enough room for all my other palms ( while I'll keep most of them in pots for now,  I do have a nice area of my back garden that would be prefect for planting one of these in the ground in the spring for yet another zone 7B palm planting experiment... ).

 

[Las Palmas Norte]

20 hours ago, tarnado said:

Uff da, is there standing water in this photograph???

Even if there is not standing water, I am guessing this is the "muck" soil you mentioned a while ago, or something else?

No standing water, but heavy soil that holds a fair amount of water. This thing is doomed if temps drop into the mid 20°F's. I may erect a shelter to give it a leg up which may be too little too late. Fortunately there are no predicted freezes in the foreseeable future.

 

[Las Palmas Norte]

Thought I'd post a mid-winter pics on my unprotected Fayetteville NC Washingtonia. The others in shelters are just as they where at the end of last summer.