Can cocos survive in Lindos,Rhodes in Greece?

[Victor G.]

23 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Yep. Btw this is the lowest March avg Tmax from 1890 when records began. Its colder so far than the epic March 1987!

Wow. Although from Thurday forecast has the Tmax going to 16-18C until the end of the month. So maybe we're not gonna break any record. Still the avg Tmax won't be able to climb a lot higher

[southathens]

1 minute ago, Victor G. said:

Wow. Although from Thurday forecast has the Tmax going to 16-18C until the end of the month. So maybe we're not gonna break any record. Still the avg Tmax won't be able to climb a lot higher

12.3C is the lowest ever March avg Tmax in the WMO station in downtown Athens in 1987 so it will be a close one. We gonna be up to low 20's starting Friday so maybe this March will be the second coldest on record in Greece. It will be a close one 

[southathens]

Btw, speaking of winter avg Tmaxes I calculated the Lindos avg Tmax for DJFM and it works out 17.5C versus 16.8C for Kasos. 

So if winter avg Tmax Ts are important as well for cocos, then maybe after all Lindos is indeed a better choice for cocos compared to Kasos?

 

Here also  a nice infographic for Lindos!

Edited March 20, 2022 by Manos33

[Victor G.]

1 hour ago, Manos33 said:

Btw, speaking of winter avg Tmaxes I calculated the Lindos avg Tmax for DJFM and it works out 17.5C versus 16.8C for Kasos. 

So if winter avg Tmax Ts are important as well for cocos, then maybe after all Lindos is indeed a better choice for cocos compared to Kasos?

 

Here also  a nice infographic for Lindos!

I don't know, look at the red circled areas (Jan & Mar 2021). I think the coconut would burn horrifically. We're talking about consecutive days of Tmax remaining under 10C and Tmin around 3-5C.

I think the coconut in Newport Beach had much better temperatures but died anyway

[southathens]

Yeah but how often do you get 2022 weather in the Dodecanese with 3-4 prolonged cold snaps until March? Twice a century? It should be around that. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by Manos33

[Victor G.]

18 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Yeah but how often do you get 2022 weather in the Dodecanese with 3-4 prolonged cold snaps until March? Twice a century? It should be around that. 

That's true. But even one good cold snap is enough to kill years of effort.

I mean let's suppose there already was a coconut there. I think we agree that if it was left unprotected this winter season it would (with very high certainty) die.
If, on the other hand, there was somebody who would be ready to protect it when such cold waves come, it might make it just fine!

What really makes me wonder is how off the projections for climate change were. Since 2008 (maybe even earlier) countless paper have been published showing a) an increase of heat waves (we have that) and b) a general increase of just the winter temperatures (here lies the problem).

Here is the most recent paper I could find (February 2022). Unless I'm understanding it falsely, Figure 2 shows a significant rise in temp levels (for annual avg temp).
Now I know that the annual avg temp has risen in the past decade or two (mostly because of more summer heat), still this winter comes to bring it down a notch.
Nea Makri got an annual avg temp of 18,7C in 2021 which might be higher than 20 years ago, but still isn't an extreme rise

Also the paper suggests (Figure 2 again) a decrease in precipitation, yet you say Manos, that we've been getting more.
Nea Makri has been a lot of monsoon weather last summer (lots of rain and thunderstorms).

I also remember explicitly reading papers which suggested that cold snaps will decrease in frequency and strength and again, this winter proves them wrong.

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1 minute ago, Victor G. said:

What really makes me wonder is how off the projections for climate change were. Since 2008 (maybe even earlier) countless paper have been published showing a) an increase of heat waves (we have that) and b) a general increase of just the winter temperatures (here lies the problem).

Look, the stats of meteorology and climatology are not an easy thing to study.  As a rule of thumb when we look at Greece the go to source is always the state of the art downtown Athens WMO station which has been positioned in the same spot from 1890 and has been operating from the 1840's in Thiseio. The overwhelming majority of climate change studies in Greece are done using these data since this is the most historic and one of the oldest stations in South Europe. 

It is impossible to draw conclusions because in Nea Makri one year it was colder or hotter. You need long term data. If you notice while the summer heat increase is much more pronounced in Athens the past few years the same also holds true for winter but at a lesser degree . If you compare 1961-1990 with 1991-2020 normals in downtown Athens you will notice a 0.4C increase in avg Tmax January values. 0.4C is a substantial change when we look at long term data. So the winter warming is there and it is obvious for Attica. It is just not as pronounced as the extreme summer warming we experience in Greece the past 20 or 10 years. 

[Victor G.]

2 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

As a rule of thumb when we look at Greece the go to source is always the state of the art downtown Athens WMO station

True and you can see definitely a difference there. But I'm trying to look at stations outside the Athen's massive concrete structure, where the effect of UHI is smaller.
Not that Nea Makri doesn't have its share of concrete, but it's no comparison to Athens. That is why I usually refer to outsider stations.

And yes, Nea Makri doesn't have long term data. I have just compared it to values since 2010 where the station was placed and activated, before that we don't know.

Still though, climate changed has really kicked in since 2010, so while it's not sufficient, it's a good starting point. And 12 years after, the data doesn't show that much of a difference.

P.S.: I also look at the Nea Styra station which is exactly opposite of Dikastika. This has been active since 2008 and it pretty much has stable weather since then.

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12 years of data is a good starting point. It is a strong indication of where things are going but you need to be patient as more and more years of data are coming in. 

[Victor G.]

1 hour ago, Manos33 said:

12 years of data is a good starting point. It is a strong indication of where things are going but you need to be patient as more and more years of data are coming in. 

By the way and just for information, here's the averages of Nea Styra.
I chose this location for personal reasons (because it's the closest to Dikastika), but it's a good location to explore in general because it's a small village and the UHI effect in minimal (if any at all)

Trends show a stable average annual temp since 2008, with fluctuations expected of course (some years will always be hotter or colder).

I am aware that 2009-2021 is a too small interval and serious climate researches use at least 30 years of data, but that's what we have from this location.

I do believe though that CO emissions and other factors have being growing exponentially since 2005 or something due to globalisation (only in the last years some countries try to go "greener"), so maybe it's not a wasted time to look at these years only.
We'll just have to wait and add more years to have a more general opinion

Edited March 20, 2022 by Victor G.

[southathens]

1 minute ago, Victor G. said:

By the way and just for information, here's the averages of Nea Styra.

Just a note though. If you want your data to be comparable with international stations then you need to use the simple average method. Also make sure you use the months from 2008 which I see you haven't used on your data.

As far as I can tell you are using the Davis produced mean. From the looks of it the simple mean for 2008-2021 should be around 0.2C to 0.3C higher.

[southathens]

Here is an example of how I am doing it for Lindos NOA

Edited March 20, 2022 by Manos33

[Victor G.]

1 hour ago, Manos33 said:

Just a note though. If you want your data to be comparable with international stations then you need to use the simple average method. Also make sure you use the months from 2008 which I see you haven't used on your data.

As far as I can tell you are using the Davis produced mean. From the looks of it the simple mean for 2008-2021 should be around 0.2C to 0.3C higher.

Oh okay so that's how they do it? Yes I used each month's mean temp (generated by Davis) and then took the average of that.
I wanted to look at how each year's mean temp changes over the years, that why I chose this method.
I'll try your method too at some point.

The station was installed on October 2008, so there's nothing I can do with this year with my method. But when I use yours, I'll put it in there

[Victor G.]

@Manos33I do have a question though. To access each months' Tmax and Tmin you need the yearly report, because the monthly report only shows Tmean of the month.

On http://meteosearch.meteo.gr/ and on http://stratus.meteo.noa.gr/front you only get the monthly reports.

Do you have another source where you can see the year summary of whichever year you choose, or did you make them yourself from the monthly reports? (the latter is way to much work)

[southathens]

32 minutes ago, Victor G. said:

The station was installed on October 2008, so there's nothing I can do with this year with my method. But when I use yours, I'll put it in there

Of course you can do something with these data! Are you gonna leave 3 months worth of data just disappear? That is not very accurate way to do your stats 

Check the example I give for Lindos and follow suit. This way you can have the most accurate representation of your annual avg T and at the same time make your data comparable internationally. 

Edited March 20, 2022 by Manos33

[southathens]

30 minutes ago, Victor G. said:

@Manos33I do have a question though. To access each months' Tmax and Tmin you need the yearly report, because the monthly report only shows Tmean of the month.

On http://meteosearch.meteo.gr/ and on http://stratus.meteo.noa.gr/front you only get the monthly reports.

Do you have another source where you can see the year summary of whichever year you choose, or did you make them yourself from the monthly reports? (the latter is way to much work)

Use the NOA bulletins! Its very straight forward and all Tmax/Tmin per month for all the months per station are there. 

https://www.meteo.gr/Monthly_Bulletins.cfm

Edited March 20, 2022 by Manos33

[Victor G.]

@Manos33I just want to say one last thing regarding climate change in Greece, that came to my mind right now.
It has to do with the Inforest hardiness map.

Check all the green & blue pins on the map. (It's just an expression, don't actually check ALL of them ).
Now each pin you click, the last value it the mean of the absolute minimums of years 1930-75 και 1975-97 (way before climate change hit hard).
Many places reached back then impressively high minimums.
For example:
Karystos 1,6 (10b)
Skyros 1,9 (10b)
Syros 3,9 (Solid 10b)
Karpathos 5,7 (11a)
(zones are in the conventional system, not Gouvas')

To me, that's perfect indication that our climate wasn't cooler half a century ago. (at least the absolute low temps)

Am I missing something or am I right?

[Victor G.]

4 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Use the NOA bulletins! Its very straight forward

https://www.meteo.gr/Monthly_Bulletins.cfm

Ah man you're right and you've already said that. Sorry for the repeated questions

[southathens]

8 minutes ago, Victor G. said:

@Manos33I just want to say one last thing regarding climate change in Greece, that came to my mind right now.
It has to do with the Inforest hardiness map.

Check all the green & blue pins on the map. (It's just an expression, don't actually check ALL of them ).
Now each pin you click, the last value it the mean of the absolute minimums of years 1930-75 και 1975-97 (way before climate change hit hard).
Many places reached back then impressively high minimums.
For example:
Karystos 1,6 (10b)
Skyros 1,9 (10b)
Syros 3,9 (Solid 10b)
Karpathos 5,7 (11a)
(zones are in the conventional system, not Gouvas')

To me, that's perfect indication that our climate wasn't cooler half a century ago. (at least the absolute low temps)

Am I missing something or am I right?

Victor, you are a bit absent minded aren't you?  (just teasing you)

I have already made a post with a screenshot giving as an example the Karpathos 5.7C mean of absolute Tmins which by the conventional USDA method puts it at 11a zone. 

So yes, you are right! With the inforest map you can find the mean of absolute Tmins from long term HNMS data for any station! This way you can calculate the conventional USDA zone! Only problem is that it does not provide you with most recent HNMS data.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Manos33

[Victor G.]

6 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Victor, you are a bit absent minded aren't you?  (just teasing you)

I have already made a post with a screenshot giving as an example the Karpathos 5.7C mean of absolute Tmins which by the conventional USDA method puts it at 11a zone. 

So yes, you are right! With the inforest map you can find the mean of absolute Tmins from long term HNMS data for any station! This way you can calculate the conventional USDA zone! Only problem is that it does not provide you with most recent HNMS data.

Hahaha I'm trying to write a Python programme for my master thesis, so yeah I'm little burned out.
(Or a lot. I'm switching between Python/News/Palmtalk, so I forget couple of things)

But I know what you mean, I'm not trying to prove that point. My question originally was: Is our (Greece) climate changing or not? Is it becoming cooler/warmer?
I can't say from experience because I haven't been around that long, but I just realised there IS data that's really old; in the inforest map (I was focusing on hardiness zones when we last discussed it so I mist have missed it)
And by the looks of the absolute minimums I'd say that they were pretty high back then.
Makes me wonder why tropical plants are almost completely absent (at first I thought maybe 50 years ago it really was colder, but that's untrue I realise now)

[southathens]

1 minute ago, Victor G. said:

Hahaha I'm trying to write a Python programme for my master thesis, so yeah I'm little burned out.
(Or a lot. I'm switching between Python/News/Palmtalk, so I forget couple of things)

But I know what you mean, I'm not trying to prove that point. My question originally was: Is our (Greece) climate changing or not? Is it becoming cooler/warmer?
I can't say from experience because I haven't been around that long, but I just realised there IS data that's really old; in the inforest map (I was focusing on hardiness zones when we last discussed it so I mist have missed it)
And by the looks of the absolute minimums I'd say that they were pretty high back then.
Makes me wonder why tropical plants are almost completely absent (at first I thought maybe 50 years ago it really was colder, but that's untrue I realise now)

 

Yeah, but the fallacy here is that you are using just one parameter (absolute minimum Ts) which actually refers only to extreme conditions. Like we said before, scientists use as the strongest indicator of climate change avg Ts. By monitoring even the slightest changes in avg annual Ts we start to get a better picture...and the warming is there for Greece. Definitely. 

[Victor G.]

6 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

 

Yeah, but the fallacy here is that you are using just one parameter (absolute minimum Ts) which actually refers only to extreme conditions. Like we said before, scientists use as the strongest indicator of climate change avg Ts. By monitoring even the slightest changes in avg annual Ts we start to get a better picture...and the warming is there for Greece. Definitely. 

Ah let me explain in Greek because it is my strong suit:

Η ερώτησή μου ήταν αν αυτά να κύματα ψύχους (καλή ώρα) υπήρχαν στο παρελθόν με την ίδια ένταση.
Π.χ. τη σήμερον ημέραν στα Δικαστικά, αν κατέβει στους -4 θα πέσω από τα σύννεφα. Αυτό ήθελα να μάθω, δηλαδή το πόσο ακραίες (χαμηλές) θερμοκρασίες μπορεί να πιάσει κάθε τόπος.

Επειδή λοιπόν η Ελλάδα δεν έχει τροπικά φυτά (εκτός από 2-3 σε κάθε περιοχή), σκέφτηκα ότι ίσως στο παρελθόν να ήταν φυσιολογικό να βλέπουμε -5/-4 στο κέντρο της Αθήνας και ότι αυτό έχει εξαφανιστεί λόγω κλιματικής αλλαγής.

Τώρα όμως βλέπω ότι 50 χρόνια πριν, οι απόλυτα χαμηλές θερμοκρασίες κυμαίνονταν σε μια χαρά επίπεδα. Άρα δεν παίζει το σενάριο που υποψιαζόμουν. Ίσως είναι μόνο η έλλειψη ενδιαφέροντος, τι να πω.

Ξαναλέω ότι εγώ κοιτάω περισσότερο τις απόλυτα χαμηλές και όχι τις μέσες ετήσιες, διότι το βλέπω από σκοπιά κηπουρού. Θέλω δηλαδή να μάθω αν στο Χ μέρος μπορώ να φυτέψω το Υ φυτό. Και ο εχθρός μου είναι οι 0 βαθμοί το χειμώνα, όχι οι 42 το καλοκαίρι (εκτός αν φύτευα έλατα). Γιαυτό καίγομαι τόσο για τις χαμηλές.

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9 minutes ago, Victor G. said:

Π.χ. τη σήμερον ημέραν στα Δικαστικά, αν κατέβει στους -4 θα πέσω από τα σύννεφα. 

Χμμμ....τότε ναι, προετοιμάσου να πέσεις από τα σύννεφα. Αν ξαναζήσουμε φυσικά ένα τόσο ακραίο γεγονός όσο πχ το 2004. Μπορώ να σου πω με μεγάλη σιγουριά ότι όλη η Αν. Αττική και το 2004 κ ίσως κ το 2008 είδαν ακραίες Τ. Σίγουρα ένα -4 με -5 και κατα τόπους σε σημεία με ανεμοσούρια που έβαλαν πολύ χιόνι το οποίο μετά μπέτωσε μπορεί να είδαν και πιο κάτω οι ανατολικές ακτές με τέτοιους χιονιάδες.

Αλλά κράτα οτι μιλάμε για ακραία γεγονότα. Η περιοδικότητα πχ του 2004 σε ότι αφορά τις ακραίες Τ πρέπει να είναι περίπου μια φορά τον αιώνα για την Αττική. Αλλά τώρα μιλάμε για διαφορετικά θέματα. Άλλο ακραία καιρικά γεγονότα και άλλο το global warming. Βλέπεις δεν είναι mutually exclusive αυτά. Ο καιρός είναι ένα δυναμικό πράγμα. Το κλίμα εν γένει.

Edited March 20, 2022 by Manos33

[Victor G.]

8 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Χμμμ....τότε ναι, προετοιμάσου να πέσεις από τα σύννεφα. Αν ξαναζήσουμε φυσικά ένα τόσο ακραίο γεγονός όσο πχ το 2004. Μπορώ να σου πω με μεγάλη σιγουριά ότι όλη η Αν. Αττική και το 2004 κ ίσως κ το 2008 είδαν ακραίες Τ. Σίγουρα ένα -4 με -5 και κατα τόπους σε σημεία με ανεμοσούρια που έβαλαν πολύ χιόνι το οποίο μετά μπέτωσε μπορεί να είδαν και πιο κάτω οι ανατολικές ακτές με τέτοιους χιονιάδες.

Αλλά κράτα οτι μιλάμε για ακραία γεγονότα. Η περιοδικότητα πχ του 2004 σε ότι αφορά τις ακραίες Τ πρέπει να είναι περίπου μια φορά τον αιώνα για την Αττική. Αλλά τώρα μιλάμε για διαφορετικά θέματα. Άλλο ακραία καιρικά γεγονότα και άλλο το global warming. Βλέπεις δεν είναι mutually exclusive αυτά. Ο καιρός είναι ένα δυναμικό πράγμα. Το κλίμα εν γένει.

Ωχ ωχ ωχ. Σίγουρα θα με ενδιέφερε να μάθαινα θερμοκρασία για τα δικαστικά. Εδώ και δύο χρόνια που κρατάω μετρήσεις δεν έχει πέσει κάτω από μηδεν (0,7 το απόλυτα ελάχιστο των τελευταίων 2 χρόνων).

Αλλά ναι, είναι όντως σπάνιο

[southathens]

So I have received written confirmation from HNMS regarding the exact decimals of the all time minimum temperature ever recorded in the Kasos station which has been operational from 1989 until today. It is 2.8°C from the HNMS station on the 24/01/2022 while the N.O.A station registered 2.7°C on that day!

I will contact Meteoclub to also update their relevant article

[Victor G.]

1 hour ago, Manos33 said:

So I have received written confirmation from HNMS regarding the exact decimals of the all time minimum temperature ever recorded in the Kasos station which has been operational from 1989 until today. It is 2.8°C from the HNMS station on the 24/01/2022 while the N.O.A station registered 2.7°C on that day!

I will contact Meteoclub to also update their relevant article

Check out something else that happened on Rhodes island last night / this morning:

Kattavia village (55m altitude) registered a low of 1C, while Emponas (430m altitude) a low of 5,2C
Emponas is always the coldest place on the island and the difference in absolute lows is remarkable, considering that Kattavia is also quite near the sea.
The rest of the island had lows above 5C (which is expected).

I saw is by accident last night (where Kattavia was already very low) and I thought that it's something with the winds probably and it will pick up soon, but now I see it dropped to 1C!

[southathens]

56 minutes ago, Victor G. said:

Check out something else that happened on Rhodes island last night / this morning:

Kattavia village (55m altitude) registered a low of 1C, while Emponas (430m altitude) a low of 5,2C
Emponas is always the coldest place on the island and the difference in absolute lows is remarkable, considering that Kattavia is also quite near the sea.
The rest of the island had lows above 5C (which is expected).

I saw is by accident last night (where Kattavia was already very low) and I thought that it's something with the winds probably and it will pick up soon, but now I see it dropped to 1C!

Yeah i saw it last night and I freaked out with this 1C. It's probably a station glitch. The rest of the island was like 7-8C higher

[Victor G.]

26 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Yeah i saw it last night and I freaked out with this 1C. It's probably a station glitch. The rest of the island was like 7-8C higher

I don't think it was a station glitch. Usually when such glitches happen, the temperature falls abruptly down, meaning there is a straight vertical line going down.
(For example from 15C to 4C within a minute.)

The graph shows that the temp kept falling and falling slowly, until sunrise where it came back up.

There were northerly winds blowing all night, but they were weak. Strange....

[southathens]

It's highly unlikely it registered 1C. It must be a problem with the station or some bias (cool source near the station) that affected it briefly.  The rest of coastal Rhodes had lows of around 8-9C. It just does not make sense

[southathens]

On 3/18/2022 at 1:48 PM, ego said:

We should arrange a palm society trip to Kasos one day by the way. We will ceremonially plant a cocos at some public building, a school the town hall etc, under the passionate applaud of the entire town, and then chip in every month for its care. It should be cheap to pay someone to water it and fertilize once a month. Oh and cover it with fleece in the winter..

Παιδιά πόσταρα σε διάφορα social media το παρακάτω μήνυμα προς Κασιώτες και Καρπάθιους! Για να δούμε....

 

Καλησπέρα στην όμορφη Κάρπαθο και Κάσο!!!

 

Σας γράφω από μια μετεωρολογική κοινότητα καθώς τα νησιά σας φαίνεται να έχουν από τις επίσημες μετεωρολογικές καταγραφές της Εθνικής Μετεωρολογικής Υπηρεσίας και του Εθνικού Αστεροσκοπείου Αθηνών το ηπιότερο κλίμα στη χώρα κατά τη διάρκεια του χειμώνα.

Πιο συγκεκριμένα οι παραθαλάσσιες περιοχές της Κάσου δεν έχουν σημειώσει ποτέ στην μετεωρολογική τους ιστορία κάτω από 2.7°C ενώ αντίστοιχα αυτές της νότιας Καρπάθου δεν έχουν πέσει κάτω από 2.2°C.

 

Όπως καταλαβαίνετε αυτό έχει προκαλέσει έντονα το ενδιαφέρον ερασιτεχνών μετεωρολόγων αλλά και ανθρώπων που ασχολούνται με τις τροπικές καλλιέργειες στην Ελλάδα. Αυτή τη περίοδο βρισκόμαστε σε αναζήτηση ντόπιων στη νότια παραλιακή Κάρπαθο και ιδιαίτερα στην παραλιακή Κάσο οι οποίοι ενδεχομένως να ενδιαφέρονται να δοκιμάσουν στους κήπους τους την καλλιέργεια κοκοφοίνικα (Cocos nucifera). Θα μας ενδιέφερε να δούμε αν ουσιαστικά είναι δυνατή στα όρια της Ελληνικής επικράτειας η καλλιέργεια κοκοφοίνικα καθώς πρόκειται για το πιο τροπικό φυτό στον πλανήτη που απαντάται κυρίως σε τροπικές περιοχές. Στο παρελθόν έχουν καλλιεργηθεί με επιτυχία σχεδόν όλα τα τροπικά φυτά εκτός θερμοκηπίου στη νότια παραλιακή Ελλάδα με εξαίρεση τον κοκοφοίνικα ο οποίος δεν έχει καταστεί δυνατόν να επιβιώσει πουθενά στον Ελληνικό χώρο.

 

Θεωρούμε πως οι μοναδικές περιοχές στην Ελλάδα που αυτό ενδεχομένως να είναι δυνατόν ίσως είναι στα όμορφα νησιά σας. Όποιος ενδιαφέρεται για περισσότερες πληροφορίες παρακαλώ ας μου αποστείλει προσωπικό μήνυμα στο messenger.

Για περισσότερες πληροφορίες μπορείτε να διαβάσετε και εδώ:

https://www.meteoclub.gr/.../perioxes-me-tous-hpioterous...

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/68701-can-cocos-survive-in-lindosrhodes-in-greece/&page=7

Edited March 22, 2022 by Manos33

[Than]

Χαχαχα τέλειος! Προσωπικά δεν πιστεύω ότι κοκοφοίνικες θα επιβιώσουν στην Ελλάδα οπουδήποτε αλλά τέλος πάντων, ας δοκιμάσουμε. 

Να ξέρεις πάντως ότι το καράβι για Κάσο κάνει 20+ ώρες!

[southathens]

2 minutes ago, ego said:

Χαχαχα τέλειος! Προσωπικά δεν πιστεύω ότι κοκοφοίνικες θα επιβιώσουν στην Ελλάδα οπουδήποτε αλλά τέλος πάντων, ας δοκιμάσουμε. 

Να ξέρεις πάντως ότι το καράβι για Κάσο κάνει 20+ ώρες!

Πιο καράβι μωρέ. Αεροπλάνο και σε μια ώρα είμαστε στο Αεροδρόμιο της Κάσου!! 

[Than]

7 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Πιο καράβι μωρέ. Αεροπλάνο και σε μια ώρα είμαστε στο Αεροδρόμιο της Κάσου!! 

Θα'θελες. Απ' όσο ξέρω δεν υπάρχουν απευθείας πτήσεις. Και το καράβι πάει πρώτα σε όλα τα Δωδεκάνησα και αφήνει την Κάσο τελευταία. Εκτός αν πας Κάρπαθο και μετά δώσεις μερικές καρύδες σε κανέναν ψαρά για να σε περάσει στην Κάσο. Ή πάρεις το πλοίο της γραμμής τέλος πάντων

[Than]

Ινδικές καρύδες έχει βρει κανείς; Σκέφτηκα μήπως τα μπανγκλαντεσιανά μανάβικα στην Αθήνα εισάγουν από τις χώρες τους. Στα σούπερ μάρκετ πάντως οι καρύδες είναι από Αφρική.

[southathens]

6 minutes ago, ego said:

Θα'θελες. Απ' όσο ξέρω δεν υπάρχουν απευθείας πτήσεις. Και το καράβι πάει πρώτα σε όλα τα Δωδεκάνησα και αφήνει την Κάσο τελευταία. Εκτός αν πας Κάρπαθο και μετά δώσεις μερικές καρύδες σε κανέναν ψαρά για να σε περάσει στην Κάσο. Ή πάρεις το πλοίο της γραμμής τέλος πάντων

Αθήνα-Κάρπαθος-Κάσος είναι το δρομολόγιο από Aegean βρε συ χειμώνα καλοκαίρι. Σίγα κάνουμε ένα μικρό transit στην Κάρπαθο. Από το να σκοτώνεσαι 20 ώρες με το καράβι. Το καλοκαίρι έχει και απευθείας πτήσεις charter Αθήνα-Κάσο!!!

[Than]

Α οκ τα έχεις ψάξει βλέπω. Δεν ήξερα για τις charter. Το σκέφτεσαι σοβαρά να πας δηλαδή;

[southathens]

9 minutes ago, ego said:

Ινδικές καρύδες έχει βρει κανείς; Σκέφτηκα μήπως τα μπανγκλαντεσιανά μανάβικα στην Αθήνα εισάγουν από τις χώρες τους. Στα σούπερ μάρκετ πάντως οι καρύδες είναι από Αφρική.

Σίγουρα σε όλη την Ασιατική αγορά της Μενάνδρου στο κέντρο της Αθήνας και εκεί γύρω κάτι μπορείς να βρεις πιστεύω. 

[southathens]

Just now, ego said:

Α οκ τα έχεις ψάξει βλέπω. Δεν ήξερα για τις charter. Το σκέφτεσαι σοβαρά να πας δηλαδή;

Ε ναι! Το καλοκαίρι θα έχω ένα μήνα διακοπές από την πρωινή δουλειά μου που απαιτεί φυσική παρουσία. Θα δουλεύω remotely για τη 2η δουλειά μου οπότε γιατί όχι αν δω οτι υπάρχει κινητοποίηση? 

[Than]

3 minutes ago, Manos33 said:

Ε ναι! Το καλοκαίρι θα έχω ένα μήνα διακοπές από την πρωινή δουλειά μου που απαιτεί φυσική παρουσία. Θα δουλεύω remotely για τη 2η δουλειά μου οπότε γιατί όχι αν δω οτι υπάρχει κινητοποίηση? 

Δε θα ήταν καλύτερα να φυτευτεί αρχές Μαΐου να έχει χρόνο μπροστά του να "πιάσει"; Και το χειμώνα θερμοκήπιο τα πρώτα 2 χρόνια σίγουρα.

[southathens]

Just now, ego said:

Δε θα ήταν καλύτερα να φυτευτεί αρχές Μαΐου να έχει χρόνο μπροστά του να "πιάσει"; Και το χειμώνα θερμοκήπιο τα πρώτα 2 χρόνια σίγουρα.

Πάω και Μάιο αμα λάχει. Αρκεί να βρεθούν ντόπιοι να υποστηρίξουν. Μόνοι μας και από μακριά δεν μπορούμε να κάνουμε πολλά πράγματα χωρίς να έχουμε άνθρωπο στην Κάσο.