RyManUtah Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Hi. I am making my own thread to update randomly for the people who care, so I won’t inadvertently hijack others’ to post updates of my projects. Feel free to reply. Enjoy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 In preparation for the hot day’s ahead, I ran water to my Trachycarpus princeps. The flow will be adjusted as needed throughout the season. I am just testing them to make sure they don’t spray into the crowns. I put two for now, so it more evenly waters the roots. FullSizeRender.mov 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Stills for those who don’t do video. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, RyManUtah said: Stills for those who don’t do video. Looks good but keep in mind those drips put out a lot of water. I have hundreds of plants on drip and love it. I use 1GPH nozzles here almost entirely. 2 YouTube (TN Tropics) 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf), brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1), Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7), 15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1), Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants. Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, Allen said: Looks good but keep in mind those drips put out a lot of water. I have hundreds of plants on drip and love it. I use 1GPH nozzles here almost entirely. Thank you. I agree. I specifically got adjustable emitters, as well as the manifolds for that reason. Can be turn up a bit in summer and lower the rest of the year. This particular area of the yard is mostly backfill red sand from building the fence. I’ll have to play it by ear. It drains extremely fast, and is in full sun until the hottest time of day. It’s slightly protected from wind as well. Thought it was the perfect princeps location for these reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFM Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 Do you still have those volunteer washingtonias coming up all over your yard? I believe earlier this year you offered to send me some this spring. If you're still willing, I'd love to take you up on your offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, NC_Palm_Enthusiast said: Do you still have those volunteer washingtonias coming up all over your yard? I believe earlier this year you offered to send me some this spring. If you're still willing, I'd love to take you up on your offer. Here, I don’t. This is actually a new home for me. I can definitely still acquire and send you some, however. I also have some pure filifera seeds if you are in need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFM Posted February 11, 2020 Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 27 minutes ago, RyManUtah said: Here, I don’t. This is actually a new home for me. I can definitely still acquire and send you some, however. I also have some pure filifera seeds if you are in need. Oh, that's ok. Congrats on your new home! I'm still deciding on if I should try filifera or robusta. I live in zone 7b/8a with hot, humid summers and cool, rainy winters. I'm thinking robusta might fare better in the long run, but I'm not sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2020 59 minutes ago, NC_Palm_Enthusiast said: Oh, that's ok. Congrats on your new home! I'm still deciding on if I should try filifera or robusta. I live in zone 7b/8a with hot, humid summers and cool, rainy winters. I'm thinking robusta might fare better in the long run, but I'm not sure. Thank you! I’m very excited. If it were me, I would find a filibusta that looked closer to filifera, but still had some obvious robusta genes. Filifera is a lot more tolerant of cold, but robusta is more tolerant of wet. That would give the best of both for a colder climate out East. Just my $.02. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFM Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 20 hours ago, RyManUtah said: Thank you! I’m very excited. If it were me, I would find a filibusta that looked closer to filifera, but still had some obvious robusta genes. Filifera is a lot more tolerant of cold, but robusta is more tolerant of wet. That would give the best of both for a colder climate out East. Just my $.02. Thanks for your input, I'll have to look into that. I've seen robustas growing at the coast, but I live further inland and higher up in elevation so it gets a little bit colder around here. So, like you said, sounds like a filibusta might be the best choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartolution Posted February 12, 2020 Report Share Posted February 12, 2020 Cool, keep us updated @RyManUtah ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Testing drainage. Time is stickered on photos. One of my slowest draining places. Is it too fast? Sabal palmetto will be here. Opinions on the crown being in water for ~15 min until it grows taller? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailorBold Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Looking good..I love the drip systems. I have a 3 zone manifold in my back yard that I'm going to utilize as all drip systems..when I get to it of course. Your drainage doesnt look bad..I have never grown a palmetto.. so I cant say.. but it's so dry in our climates I doubt drainage could ever be a problem. It would probably help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 hours ago, SailorBold said: Looking good..I love the drip systems. I have a 3 zone manifold in my back yard that I'm going to utilize as all drip systems..when I get to it of course. Your drainage doesnt look bad..I have never grown a palmetto.. so I cant say.. but it's so dry in our climates I doubt drainage could ever be a problem. It would probably help. Thanks. I love them too. You don’t waste money and time watering rocks haha. My Sabal places are on their own zone. I gave them adjustable bubblers, so they can have higher water in summer. My plan is is to keep them fairly watered year round, except within 48 hours of a freeze. The only thing I’ve been regularly watering in the winter are the Trachys. A couple times I left their zone on (they’re still on overhead for now as they’re planted in grass, but they’re taller than the sprinklers spray zone). They don’t seem to have minded their trunks covered in ice a couple times on accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 19 hours ago, RyManUtah said: Sabal palmetto will be here. Opinions on the crown being in water for ~15 min until it grows taller? Ryan, I planted a 5-6 strap-leaf Sabal riverside and watered it by hand with a hose sprayer. It spear-pulled twice during summer which I believe was due to water splashing around the crown. If fact I started a thread about it below. If it's on slow drip I'd think that it should be fine but if it's spray (not sure how an adjustable bubbler works) or creating a pool of water submerging the growing point I'd advise against that for your Sabal. My riverside still has one green strap leaf left but it is on borrowed time - I'm 99.9% certain that it's a goner and it just doesn't know it yet. I've heard other stories of warm-weather spear-pulls on young Sabals from other growers here. Jon 1 Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 @Fusca Yikes. Thank you for the info and link, Jon. That’s kind of scary. I left enough room to make a mount in there. Obviously the plastic will need removed / expended throughout the years. Maybe I’ll make a couple drain holes so the top of my mound isn’t submerged. The rings are to keep more water over the root zone instead of running down hill. as far as bubblers, they literally just bubble water at a higher rate down the side of the emitter, like a broken sprinkler head without the geyser. The tighter you make it, the less water flow you receive. It provides higher water for the area without the spray. Maybe this will need to be drip emitters for a while also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 That sounds like a better idea. I just learned this issue with Sabals this past year so I've changed my watering habits with them. They still like lots of water but apparently delivery is key when they are so small. It might be a function of the water + high heat also which I know you have a lot of also. I've got another S. riverside with 5 strap leaves ready to take its place in a couple of weeks so hopefully I'll have better luck with this one! 1 Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2020 Awesome! Keep us updated on how they do! heres a video of how the bubblers work if you are interested. It’s just higher water than a drip emitter IMG_2058.MP4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 Interesting - thanks for the video. I wanted to mention also that the spring/summer spear pulls on Sabal can happen if planted too deep. My S. riverside was planted at a good height with 1/3 of the heel above the ground. 1 Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Fusca said: Interesting - thanks for the video. I wanted to mention also that the spring/summer spear pulls on Sabal can happen if planted too deep. My S. riverside was planted at a good height with 1/3 of the heel above the ground. Good to know, thank you! I have a couple weeks left. I shouldn’t have anymore freezing nights come March. I’ll get them in the ground then. They stay on the death wall currently and get brought inside below freezing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester B Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 hours ago, RyManUtah said: They stay on the death wall Is this like death row for palms?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Chester B said: Is this like death row for palms?? For most things! Heat loving palms love it. It’s the wall in the sun all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC2Texaspalmlvr Posted February 17, 2020 Report Share Posted February 17, 2020 What do yall think would be a major difference between over head sprinkler watering of palms or high rainfall areas. I have a Sabal Riverside that gets overhead watering from sprinklers in the summer. Also high rainfall in the winter. This palm is trucking right along and I would call it a pretty good grower for a palm, let alone a Sabal. T J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 3:55 PM, OC2Texaspalmlvr said: What do yall think would be a major difference between over head sprinkler watering of palms or high rainfall areas. I have a Sabal Riverside that gets overhead watering from sprinklers in the summer. Also high rainfall in the winter. This palm is trucking right along and I would call it a pretty good grower for a palm, let alone a Sabal. I think it depends on species. From my understanding, culinary and irrigation water are high in mineral deposits or chemicals that get left behind when the water dries. Desert species are more susceptible from any overhead watering, as they’re used to lower rainfall and grow near ground water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 Sabal row installments: Sabal mexicana. This one has been actively growing most of winter. • Sabal palmetto #1 • Sabal palmetto #2 • Sabal palmetto #3 This one is interesting. It has two growing points. A fact I didn’t notice until removing it from the pot. • I’m currently out of lava rock, but I’m using it to help retain moisture in the Sabal areas, as it’s somewhat porous. These were pretty pot bound. Quite a root system on these guys. I’m glad I got them in the ground. what temperature does the palmetto require to retain active growth? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC2Texaspalmlvr Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, RyManUtah said: what temperature does the palmetto require to retain active growth? All my seedlings grow year round, not saying they may not stall when we get a cold spell or week. From the untrained eye it seems like they never stop growing, obviously the more sun the better =) 1 T J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 So question for those that use drip irrigation in colder climates that see freezing temps from time to time. How do you keep the heads from freezing? Do you blow air in the lines come fall to purge the water from the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester B Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, RJ said: So question for those that use drip irrigation in colder climates that see freezing temps from time to time. How do you keep the heads from freezing? Do you blow air in the lines come fall to purge the water from the system? Exactly. I have a fitting that connects the irrigation lines to a compressed air line and I run low pressure air (~15 psi) until water stops coming out. Only a few minutes per line and it's pretty easy. To be fair our ground never really freezes but it keeps the fittings from having water freeze in them and crack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Chester B said: Exactly. I have a fitting that connects the irrigation lines to a compressed air line and I run low pressure air (~15 psi) until water stops coming out. Only a few minutes per line and it's pretty easy. To be fair our ground never really freezes but it keeps the fittings from having water freeze in them and crack. Great! Our ground doesn’t freeze either but the exposed fitting would be exposed to the cold. Suppose you could just through some mulch on them perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester B Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, RJ said: Great! Our ground doesn’t freeze either but the exposed fitting would be exposed to the cold. Suppose you could just through some mulch on them perhaps. As long as they're dry I think you'll be ok. I haven't had any issues so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted February 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 On a string of several really cold nights, I’ll also blow my lines out with low pressure psi. The fittings are cheap and easy to install. Most of the time, gravity takes care of it, though. The water goes “down” and back into the ground if you’re not watering during a freeze. I’ve never had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, RyManUtah said: On a string of several really cold nights, I’ll also blow my lines out with low pressure psi. The fittings are cheap and easy to install. Most of the time, gravity takes care of it, though. The water goes “down” and back into the ground if you’re not watering during a freeze. I’ve never had a problem. Got over 250 drip emitters above ground and don't have a problem if blown out. They freeze all the time here and I have to replace a couple each year is about it. YouTube (TN Tropics) 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf), brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1), Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7), 15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1), Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants. Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZPalms Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 Drainage looks perfectly fine. Sabals are tough. I have a minor here in my “swampy” are (for AZ) where it’s in pure nasty clay. Loves it. My neighbor has had a big leak in his irrigation line for the last 2 years. My minor, mule, Washingtonia volunteer all benefit. This area gets soaked and I mean soaked for 3-4 feet on my side of the yard every day in summer. The S. minor loves it. My S Blackburniana gets water everyday in summer on drip. Probably could use more water but it never burns in full AZ sun. Flood em, they won’t mind I imagine. I’d avoid that in winter all the time and let them dry a bit though. Growth rate wise, as mentioned, both seem to grow through our AZ winter, slower than summer but my Sabals have both pushed spears and are ready to open any time. They’re tough as nails. Cold, heat, water etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted March 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Decided this is a better thread to post this. Happy Spring! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted March 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 Brahea Installment Day! I have waited all winter to install this one. This was quite a chore to remove from the pot. I did break one root. Hopefully that won’t be a big deal later. Backfill, Grass Barrier & Top Dressing. All done! If anyone is wondering, I don’t plan to keep the grass. I built it up a little bit so it was easy to cover while overhead watering the grass. This will be my process until I get a plan of grass removal execution. Apologies for the poor quality of the finished photo. Thanks for looking! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 @RyManUtah great job so far man! I'm excited to see the rest of your work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester B Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 The easiest way to get rid of grass is to cover with thick cardboard (like leftover Amazon boxes) and then a good layer of mulch of your choice. Works like a charm. Dig holes for any plants you add in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted March 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, DAVEinMB said: @RyManUtah great job so far man! I'm excited to see the rest of your work Thanks man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyManUtah Posted March 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 57 minutes ago, Chester B said: The easiest way to get rid of grass is to cover with thick cardboard (like leftover Amazon boxes) and then a good layer of mulch of your choice. Works like a charm. Dig holes for any plants you add in. Thanks for the tip! 1/3 of the back grass will be a pool at some point. (The random white lines in the photos). When I go to put that in, I may just have it cut all of it and sell it. Sod is pretty pricy around here. I haven’t decided if it’s worth the hassle yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 On 2/25/2020 at 10:37 PM, AZPalms said: Drainage looks perfectly fine. Sabals are tough. I have a minor here in my “swampy” are (for AZ) where it’s in pure nasty clay. Loves it. My neighbor has had a big leak in his irrigation line for the last 2 years. My minor, mule, Washingtonia volunteer all benefit. This area gets soaked and I mean soaked for 3-4 feet on my side of the yard every day in summer. The S. minor loves it. My S Blackburniana gets water everyday in summer on drip. Probably could use more water but it never burns in full AZ sun. Flood em, they won’t mind I imagine. I’d avoid that in winter all the time and let them dry a bit though. \ So I saw that Phil from Jungle music has these on sale, and he's the only one I see that ever has them. What's your take on these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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