kinzyjr Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 Not sure what kind of Ficus it is, but here it is in Frostproof, FL: https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7496638,-81.5305776,3a,49y,250.44h,99.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sebPYf8l5UPkCCvKVLAj6tg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Potentially Ficus aurea in Babson Park: https://www.google.com/maps/@27.814198,-81.5486947,3a,39.8y,243.15h,95.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4l74xTv3Xhb0IxRLp3tnOw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 2 1 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinandega81 Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 hours ago, kinzyjr said: Not sure what kind of Ficus it is, but here it is in Frostproof, FL: https://www.google.com/maps/@27.7496638,-81.5305776,3a,49y,250.44h,99.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sebPYf8l5UPkCCvKVLAj6tg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Potentially Ficus aurea in Babson Park: https://www.google.com/maps/@27.814198,-81.5486947,3a,39.8y,243.15h,95.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4l74xTv3Xhb0IxRLp3tnOw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 I love that ficus in Babson Park. It looks so beautiful, plus the view in the background. Looks a little like wine country or the Mediteranean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted September 24, 2021 Report Share Posted September 24, 2021 6 hours ago, chinandega81 said: I love that ficus in Babson Park. It looks so beautiful, plus the view in the background. Looks a little like wine country or the Mediteranean. I'll have to get a more recent photo of it. This one is from 2011... so it is probably a lot larger. I suppose that officially puts Frostproof and Babson Park in the warm 9b/borderline 10a category. I hunted down what I believe to be the Ficus aurea observation south of Lake Arbuckle since I know they pique @RedRabbit's interest. https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6644765,-81.3773413,3a,41.4y,50.95h,92.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scGvTzEf8_LTXC_9UNgZM_w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 There are a few additional observations on iNaturalist: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/120934-Ficus-aurea 1 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRabbit Posted September 25, 2021 Report Share Posted September 25, 2021 5 hours ago, kinzyjr said: I'll have to get a more recent photo of it. This one is from 2011... so it is probably a lot larger. I suppose that officially puts Frostproof and Babson Park in the warm 9b/borderline 10a category. I hunted down what I believe to be the Ficus aurea observation south of Lake Arbuckle since I know they pique @RedRabbit's interest. https://www.google.com/maps/@27.6644765,-81.3773413,3a,41.4y,50.95h,92.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scGvTzEf8_LTXC_9UNgZM_w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 There are a few additional observations on iNaturalist: https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/120934-Ficus-aurea Another great find @kinzyjr! 1 1 Westchase | 9b 10a ◆ Nokomis | 10a ◆ St. Petersburg | 10a 10b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 On 9/23/2021 at 6:12 PM, RedRabbit said: I like this idea for a number of reasons. Horticultural barometers I go off of are ficus aurea (or microcarpa since I proved here I can’t tell them apart), pre-2010 royals, pre-2010 coconuts, pre-1980s royals, and pre-1980s coconuts. If I lived further north I might include queens or Washingtonia… The only way to draw this map is first-hand knowledge of the area though so I could do on for Tampa Bay pretty easy, but there may be some important nuances in places like New Smyrna Beach that I won’t be knowledgeable of. I can do this for Brevard, and roughly for the Treasure coast as well. Volusia I don't know very well. 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRabbit Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Jimbean said: I can do this for Brevard, and roughly for the Treasure coast as well. Volusia I don't know very well. That would be useful! Do you agree with using those palms/trees as barometers for the area? Westchase | 9b 10a ◆ Nokomis | 10a ◆ St. Petersburg | 10a 10b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 27, 2021 Report Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 hours ago, RedRabbit said: That would be useful! Do you agree with using those palms/trees as barometers for the area? I've done this before on my own account when I drew my 2009 map. I think it just gives a rough idea, which I will give examples soon. 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Let's start with references: These are the areas where I took pictures shown by the circles Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Beach pictures 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 FIT pictures 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Melbourne mall (not highlighted on map) 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Near Palm Bay Rd / neighborhood area Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Around my neighborhood Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Near I-95, which I will explain this in a little bit Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) This is a bit time consuming, but fun. Tropical hardwoods and where I have seen them grow in Brevard. I'm sure that there are more locations for these, but this is what I personally have seen. Edited September 28, 2021 by Jimbean Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Annona glabra Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Ardisia escallonioides Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Bursera simaruba Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Chrysobalanus icaco Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Coccoloba diversifolia Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 ficus aurea Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Ficus citrifolia Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Myrsine cubana Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Simarouba glauca Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) The red line is where I expect to find tropical hardwoods growing naturally to full size (except for Ficus spp, Schefflera arboricola, Bursera simaruba, stopper species, etc.) The brown line is where tropical hardwoods are much more common The orange circles are areas that I don't expect to find such trees in the wild, but I get surprised from time to time. There are many species that I did not list, because I can't think of their scientific names Edit: I should include North Merritt Island, but I am not as familiar with that area. The general idea is that tropicals mostly stop at Cape Canaveral Edited September 28, 2021 by Jimbean 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 So let's talk about the photos I took The picture of the big sea grape are common along the beach, and will get to that size when cultivated pretty much anywhere in Brevard except for northern Brevard. The smaller sea grape is an example of the size you will most likely encounter anywhere else if growing wild along the Indian River Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 I wonder if the clouds indicate where the gulf stream is The next picture is a gumbo limbo growing wild on the beach. Most of these trees are small in the wild. Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 I have done a rough forest profile of the area: 1.) Beach sand dune 2.) Sand pine scrub near US-1 3.) Eastern pine flatwoods Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Invasive species (yes, I believe Dypsis lutescens is becoming invasive) 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) For next post, I will reference a map with size of ficus trees. Please note that different species of Ficus have different cold tolerances, so I'll be referencing Ficus aurea, Ficus microcarpa and Ficus elastica for I think they roughly have the same cold tolerances. Red line for saplings (first picture) Purple line for small trees (pictures two through five) Brown line for large trees (pictures six though eight) Edited September 28, 2021 by Jimbean 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 Here's the map. Notice that the size ranges do not correspond exactly with zones, but roughly 'warm 9B' 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 There's more details to go into, but I have to do other things today. I'll be glad to answer any other questions about Brevard. I'll do a rough one for the Indian River, St. Lucie, and Martin counties later Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 On 9/27/2021 at 7:24 AM, RedRabbit said: That would be useful! Do you agree with using those palms/trees as barometers for the area? Coming back for a little bit... Another good indicator, at least for here are Dypsis lutescens. They are planted all over the place and their size says something about winter temps The first picture is what I would call medium size, the the second tall. Even though technically it is a zone 10 palm, it is practically a warm 9B palm. The red line shows where they get to be mature size like in the first photo, and the brown line shows where they get to be 25+ feet tall (in old neighborhoods). 2 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Jimbean said: There's more details to go into, but I have to do other things today. I'll be glad to answer any other questions about Brevard. I'll do a rough one for the Indian River, St. Lucie, and Martin counties later Thank you for sharing all of your documentation of Brevard and the surrounding area. That took a lot of time and effort that you didn't have to put forth. Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRabbit Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jimbean said: There's more details to go into, but I have to do other things today. I'll be glad to answer any other questions about Brevard. I'll do a rough one for the Indian River, St. Lucie, and Martin counties later Thanks, wow, there’s a lot to digest here. It’s interesting to see tropicals going up the Indian River towards Titusville, I didn’t think they’d make it that far. I’ll look at your posts in more detail when I get some time. I’m not familiar with all the species you posted; they might be something I can look out for the west coast too. Edited September 29, 2021 by RedRabbit Westchase | 9b 10a ◆ Nokomis | 10a ◆ St. Petersburg | 10a 10b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I'll add a little more There were at least three mature royals here, but were fenced off. They were obviously planted, however I noticed a bunch of volunteers that I wanted to take pictures of. In areas were there are mature royals around enough shade and moisture you'll see volunteers, which is not surprising. The interesting idea here is that if given enough time without a 1989 event, royals will eventually naturalize in Brevard. 2 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 I shot this video at the location you see circled. The neighborhood was built in the mid 90's I believe. This is typical of what people will plant in South and Central Brevard and coastal areas/Merritt Island 20210929_155620.mp4 1 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Maybe @Silas_Sancona can help me identify some of these: Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas_Sancona Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Jimbean said: Maybe @Silas_Sancona can help me identify some of these: #1 Bischofia javanica #2 Sissoo, ( Dalbergia sissoo ) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 On 10/5/2021 at 10:34 AM, Jimbean said: I shot this video at the location you see circled. The neighborhood was built in the mid 90's I believe. This is typical of what people will plant in South and Central Brevard and coastal areas/Merritt Island Nice work on the pictures and videos. Excellent documentation. For documentation of the more favorable inland climates here in Polk, I'll just use the posts on the Remarkable Palms of Tampa Bay thread. In this regard, the area meets one of @RedRabbit's four metrics (to my knowledge): pre-2010 royals, pre-2010 coconuts, pre-1980s royals, and pre-1980s coconuts. I have not seen any coconuts that survived 2010 here. The palms I thought had a shot were in the Edgewater Beach area (not the city, the neighborhood here in Lakeland). They were starting to trunk at the time. They either didn't make it due to the freeze or were cut down because they looked awful. I'm not aware of anymore that were older and large enough to have a shot of survival. There are currently some trunking coconuts just south of this area on Main St. We do, however, have pre-2010 Adonidia merrillii and Hyophorbe lagenicaulis if that means anything. 1 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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