Concern for Leilani Estates as lava moves eastward underground

[Moose]

Friday afternoon Civil Defense Message

 

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018Friday

[Moose]

Latest YouTube video upload from Gabe (YT H.I.S. Survival)

 

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018

Leilani Hawaii lava river and light art at night. My friend steps on Pele's hair and we party with some cops.

[Moose]

This is a video from Gabe during the early activity in Leilani Estates I don't think was every uploaded to this thread.

 

 

Published on May 9, 2018

I'm still here and lava has not taking my homestead

[Moose]

Is Fissure 8 soon to be given a name?

 

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018

It's known as Fissure 8, the active flow oozing fresh lava into the ocean.

 

 

[Moose]

New mini island, I posted photos of earlier from USGS

 

 

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018

Officials say it's located near the northernmost part of where lava from fissure 8 is flowing into the ocean.

[Moose]

Scott with Charles yesterday afternoon

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018

[Moose]

Latest Video uploaded on YouTube from Civil Beat

 

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018

This is video of the lava flow from fissure 8 a few hours after a 5.3 magnitude earthquake at the Kilauea Summit on Thursday evening. Video by Janice Wei.

[Moose]

In case you did not see it on Facebook, Philip recently uploaded this video on YouTube

 

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018

Another trip to the ocean entry with Ikaika Marzo, viewing the Ahalanui warm pond area and progress of the new flow

[Moose]

Bill's point of view from 6 days ago (Green Garden Guy 1 on YouTube)

 

 

Published on Jul 9, 2018

Talk about climate change from the volcano, more pig trouble and a tour of nursery stock.

[Moose]

Charles from Leilani Estates (YT Doing Hawaii) just uploaded his latest Leilani Estates Update video on YouTube

 

 

Published on Jul 14, 2018

The Hawaii Kilauea Volcano East Rift Zone Eruption News Update for Leilani Estates 7/13/2018

[Moose]

Scott's early morning update ...

 

 

Published on Jul 14, 2018

[Vari805]

Ikaika posted updates as the lava flow advances southward towards Pohoiki

 

 

[Vari805]

This video Ikaika posted shows how close the lava front is from Campbell pond and the boat ramp at Pohoiki

 

 

[Dave-Vero]

The eruption has been bad for an endangered native plant.  https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/lava-eruption-damages-endangered-native-plants-in-lower-puna/1295309110

[bgl]

Five photos from the barricade at Pomaikai & Leilani Avenue. The first photo is from last night around 10 pm. It was raining, with low clouds, and that always creates a more dramatic effect. The other four photos were taken between 2:45 and 3:30 pm this afternoon and they show a tiny part of what's going on. A geologist, who was passing by on her way closer to the lava, explained that for reasons they still don't understand, the eruption is now pulsating. For about two minutes from our vantage point we could see no flowing lava and then it gradually became visible again and for five minutes it would gradually picked up in volume until it was a raging river of lava with frequent spattering high up in the air. An unbelievable sight and actually very mesmerizing to watch how it changes from second to second.

[Dave-Vero]

The latest USGS thermal map of lava flow from Fissure 8 shows only the lower part of the flow due to weather, but it does show the impressive new channelized flow in the lower part.   https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/volcanoes/kilauea/multimedia_maps.html?mapId=513

[Dypsisdean]

Desciption/discussion and video of a newly described phenomena - "surges" as opposed to the already observed "pulses" - potentially more concerning.

Video:

https://www.facebook.com/ikaika.marzo/videos/pcb.1886190394766821/1886178754767985/?type=3&theater

Discussion:

https://www.facebook.com/ikaika.marzo/videos/1886143504771510/

[bgl]

Spent a bit of time at the Pomaikai/Leilani barricade this afternoon and it seemed to be pulsating even stronger than it did yesterday. It's roughly on a seven minute cycle, between two minutes or so when hardly any lava is visible (from my vantage point) and then 4-5 minutes later when it's absolutely roaring with lots of very violent spattering. First photo shows it at "low tide" and then as it gradually builds up. Sorry about the fourth photo being somewhat out of focus, but you get the idea.

[Dave-Vero]

A short version of the cause of the current eruption is that the shallow lava reservoir right under the Kilauea summit, which has been leaking more or less steadily since 1984, sprung a bigger leak along the fissure zone, which morphed into the relatively steady flow from Fissure 8 and the pretty remarkable regular cycle of the caldera collapsing as more magma is drawn out, and periodic pulses in the flow caused by those collapses.  If there's been no great change in the rate of magma rising from below into the caldera reservoir,  the summit reservoir should eventually stop supplying lava, at least in such quantities, and much of the current plumbing would harden.  Eventually.  

The geologists have been making some effort to sketch scenarios, including unlikely-but-possible ones for when that happens.  They have lots of physics to think about.  Temperature, pressure, viscosity, heat loss.  

Meanwhile, I got my official Volcano House campground reservation cancellation today.  

[Dypsisdean]

Hawaiʻi County Fire officials are on their way to Suisan Harbor in Hilo with an ambulance in response to reports that a lava explosion near the Kapoho ocean entry sent lava bombs (rock and debris) flying into the air and landed on a lava tour boat being operated by Shane Turpin. Eyewitnesses report that it ripped through the tour boat roof and landed on several people — injuring both passengers and crew members.

https://www.facebook.com/milekalincoln.hnn/videos/1862879130437639/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTI3NjM1MTAxNzozMDYwNjExMjk0OTk0MTQ6MTA6MDoxNTMzMTA2Nzk5Oi02Nzc4OTgzNjE1NzUwOTc0NDMy/

[WestCoastGal]

I'm back and see that I have a lot to review here! Great!!

I saw this video on Hawaii Tracker group from Ikaika's boat showing the littorial explosion and lightning. Quite violent. ( https://www.facebook.com/ikaika.marzo/videos/1887564864629374/UzpfSTM1NzQ1NTU1NDQyMDI2OToxMDMzMDcwMDQzNTI1NDgw/ )

 

 

[WestCoastGal]

Here's Dane DuPont's post. Another broken leg from a lava bomb, how horrible. I hope his injury wasn't as severe as Mr. Clinton's (from the F17 lava bomb) and that the others that were injured including crew will be okay. A lot of people injuried and must have been a super scary scene for them at the time and the trip back to port. Thankfully the boat was able to make it back. That's not a fast trip back to Hilo for the hospital either...I think I heard Shane and Ikaika at one time mention like 1-1/2 hours to the docks. I wonder how far away the projectiles flew. I know Shane knows the required distance tour boats are to required to be so would doubt he would have been closer than that but that was one massive and unusual explosion. Look at the hole in the boat canopy in the photo below. Reminiscent of the holes in the roof near F17. So given you are seeing red/orange in the explosion wonder if it would be correct to assume that that was lava also being thrown in the air. 

BTW Here's the link to Dane's post to look at the photos yourself. ( https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=176101383259011&set=pcb.1033114786854339&type=3&theater&ifg=1 )

 

[WestCoastGal]

On 7/14/2018, 3:36:52, Moose said:

Latest Video uploaded on YouTube from Civil Beat

 

 

Published on Jul 13, 2018

This is video of the lava flow from fissure 8 a few hours after a 5.3 magnitude earthquake at the Kilauea Summit on Thursday evening. Video by Janice Wei.

What I also found interesting was the whisps of steam? from the side levee. Not all observed in the top of it either. 

[WestCoastGal]

On 7/14/2018, 8:59:54, bgl said:

Five photos from the barricade at Pomaikai & Leilani Avenue. The first photo is from last night around 10 pm. It was raining, with low clouds, and that always creates a more dramatic effect. The other four photos were taken between 2:45 and 3:30 pm this afternoon and they show a tiny part of what's going on. A geologist, who was passing by on her way closer to the lava, explained that for reasons they still don't understand, the eruption is now pulsating. For about two minutes from our vantage point we could see no flowing lava and then it gradually became visible again and for five minutes it would gradually picked up in volume until it was a raging river of lava with frequent spattering high up in the air. An unbelievable sight and actually very mesmerizing to watch how it changes from second to second.

@bgl, any idea how far this street section is from F8? Also curious how high they estimate the levee wall to be at this location. That river looks raging. Great photos!

[WestCoastGal]

16 hours ago, bgl said:

Spent a bit of time at the Pomaikai/Leilani barricade this afternoon and it seemed to be pulsating even stronger than it did yesterday. It's roughly on a seven minute cycle, between two minutes or so when hardly any lava is visible (from my vantage point) and then 4-5 minutes later when it's absolutely roaring with lots of very violent spattering. First photo shows it at "low tide" and then as it gradually builds up. Sorry about the fourth photo being somewhat out of focus, but you get the idea.

@bgl is that a built up channel levee behind the flowing lava? I didn't really notice it in your earlier set of photos so much but the blackened mound/wall is very noticeable in this set of photos. And the shape looks different at different times so I'm confused since you are basically shooting from the same location. The height we can see of the flowing lava in some of the pics seems to be about as high as the levee wall in front!

[WestCoastGal]

14 hours ago, Dave-Vero said:

A short version of the cause of the current eruption is that the shallow lava reservoir right under the Kilauea summit, which has been leaking more or less steadily since 1984, sprung a bigger leak along the fissure zone, which morphed into the relatively steady flow from Fissure 8 and the pretty remarkable regular cycle of the caldera collapsing as more magma is drawn out, and periodic pulses in the flow caused by those collapses.  If there's been no great change in the rate of magma rising from below into the caldera reservoir,  the summit reservoir should eventually stop supplying lava, at least in such quantities, and much of the current plumbing would harden.  Eventually.  

The geologists have been making some effort to sketch scenarios, including unlikely-but-possible ones for when that happens.  They have lots of physics to think about.  Temperature, pressure, viscosity, heat loss.  

Meanwhile, I got my official Volcano House campground reservation cancellation today.  

Aw sorry about that, especially for them...must have been a hard decision to make giving up on hope it would end by then, but at least I guess you now can make other plans. Any idea where you think you might go now?

[WestCoastGal]

While checking out the news story on the boat injuries saw this post from Hawaii DLNR. Turns out it was a woman who was injured in the leg by the lava bomb. Confused by the wording of the safety zone..."the vessel was outside of the U.S. Coast Guard-established safety zone." So if the zone is 300 ft for example sake, and they were outside of it does that mean the boat was beyond the prescribed limit of 300 or within the 300 area? ( https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiDLNR/photos/a.276310779076837.60998.262623323778916/2048456281862269/?type=3&theater )

[bgl]

Debbie, yes I am of course shooting from the exact same location, the Leilani/Pomaikai intersection, which is exactly 3/4 of a mile west of the flow. The only minor difference is where on the road I'm shooting from. I'm either in the middle of the road (barricade) or over on the left side, where it's sometimes easier to get a good shot of the lava on the right hand side (partly hidden by the tree that's much closer to me). And yes, definitely a built up channel levee that we see behind the river of lava, but I have no idea how tall it might be.

Difference in appearance MAY be because the two sets of photos were taken roughly 24 hours apart and changes are likely since the volume produced is astounding. Have no other explanation. And looking at maps it would seem that the center of F8 is one third of the way between Leilani Avenue and Malama Street. Luana Street is exactly 1 km (1,000 metres) long between Leilani Avenue and Malama Street so that would mean that the "street section" (or what used to be a street section!) where the lava is crossing Leilani Avenue is 1100 ft/330 metres north of the actual eruption. I'm sure it must be all downhill at this point because the lava is moving at an absolutely amazing speed.

[WestCoastGal]

Ryan Finlay just posted this Ikaika video about the boat/littoral explosion incident. ( https://www.facebook.com/ikaika.marzo/videos/1887811437938050/?hc_location=ufi )

BTW I read in some comment area (maybe DNLR's) that some viewers said they changed the post according to its history. I can see why Ikaika would be upset by this.

 

 

[bgl]

And the "outside vs. inside" the safety zone question. That seems slightly ambiguous, but not really when you think about it. "Inside the safety zone" is pretty clear, so anything "outside" of the safety zone could certainly mean (and probably DOES mean) closer to shore since that's "outside of the safety zone".

[WestCoastGal]

Ryan Finlay had this update on the the littoral explosion and injuries an hour ago with some new photos.  ( https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155905365235749&set=pcb.1033199376845880&type=3&theater&ifg=1 )

Some of you might have seen the post I think from last week from Jackie Caplan-Auerbach who did a video showcasing the underwater equipment that was placed near the ocean entry. Just saw this in the comment section...

[WestCoastGal]

Kind of easy to see how chunks of lava like this dubbed "lava cruise ship" could clog some of the smaller lava channel passage ways resulting in overflows. ( https://www.facebook.com/johnkaponocarter/videos/2081445375400502/UzpfSTM1NzQ1NTU1NDQyMDI2OToxMDMyNDEzNjA2OTI0NDU3/ ) 

 

[WestCoastGal]

As interesting as the lava boats can be, the shape of the fissure cones have also been fascinating. Joseph Anthony shared this post about what he called "lava eggs", of Fissure 16, who's shape changed not long after and no longer looked like this. Very primordial I think! One of the reasons this photographer feels that CD should grant access to photographers to capture the varying and sometimes fleeting aspects of this eruption. This eruption is definitely something that will be discussed for a long time. 

His post along with more photos: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10156195283800622.1073741999.665760621&type=3

[WestCoastGal]

Explosive eruption, 5.4, happened up at Halema'uma'u and surge down at F8 is expected around 1:15pm-1:45pm HST (4:15pm-4:45pm PDT). Imagine there will be LE viewing crowd down by Leilani/Pomaikai shortly. (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10156195283800622.1073741999.665760621&type=3 )

[Dave-Vero]

So the lava has short-term pulses (around 7 minutes) and surges tied to the summit collapses at Kilauea caldera, and the latter is attracting visitors to the barricade.  Joseph Anthony's lava egg photo is amazing.  Not long ago, I would never have expected lava pulse photos from bgl.  Times change. 

BTW, Volcano House had posted its closure through mid August a while back, but for whatever reason it took them a while to get caught up on cancellations.  I'd already rebooked at a very reasonably priced hotel in Hilo.  

 

[WestCoastGal]

In the news. Actually very hard to find local stories other than the ocean entry explosion and the crater explosion today.

Article from Hawaii Tribune-Herald on the lava boat incident today. Pretty much every news site has a story on it. This one correctly identifies the boat so hopefully checked other details: http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/07/16/hawaii-news/12-injured-after-lava-explodes-onto-tour-boat/amp/  So 4 taken to hospital by ambulance, 9 drove themselves, and an additional 10 were treated on the dock for superficial injuries. And @bgl your interpretation was correct on the safety zone.

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Here's feel good type article on 6 Hawaii pro athletes competing in a challenge to raise funds for disaster relief: http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/07/12/hawaii-news/6-hawaii-pro-athletes-unite-in-challenge-to-raise-funds-for-isle-disaster-areas-2/  and the site to donate is https://www.heroesforhawaii.org

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On a less than happy note there was this story of conditions at the shelters: http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/07/12/hawaii-news/incidents-add-to-stress-at-lava-shelters/  I know there was an article I linked to in the last week or two of a number of people who had been evicted from the shelters. 

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Big Island Video News posted this story from FEMA who wants to inform Leilani Estates residents who were denied rental assistnace if they lived in the "voluntary" evacuation zone (west of Pomaikai) and couldn't live in their homes right now due to conditions, that they should submit another request. I know there were residents who were at the last meeting who said due to health issues and the SO2 levels at time they couldn't stay there for health reasons despite the home seemingly "habitable".  http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2018/07/16/video-fema-issues-message-on-rental-assistance-denials/

So I don't get FEMA saying they won't allow their inspectors to enter voluntary or non-voluntary evacuation zones any more for inspections but residents who were denied should ask to be reinspected. OK, badly worded maybe? And if granted you can get 1 month of assistance.

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Interesting article on the different types of sulfur on Kilauea: http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/07/16/features/volcano-watch-many-forms-of-sulfur-are-found-on-kilauea-volcano/

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[Dave-Vero]

The shelter problems remind me that damage in the Florida Keys from last fall's hurricane is by no means entirely repaired.  There's still dislocation.  

With the ocean entry explosion, camera time signatures can be very useful, provided cameras are checked against an accurate time source. 

 

[WestCoastGal]

In case you didn't follow all of the above on the lava entry explosion and Ikaika's video post, it was not Ikaika's tour company boat involved. Anthony Quintano from Honolulu Civil Beat posted this on fb Hawaii Tracker to clarify:

The boat was Shane Turpin's and in the link in the Hawaii Tribune-Herald article, Shane was quoted that he was also hit by some of the tephra but no details beyond that were given.

 

[Moose]

When we had Hurricane Andrew in 1992, it put a major hurting on us in South Florida. Gloria Estefan put on a huge concert and all proceeds went to help the victims of the natural disaster. Curious why Bruno Mars has not set up a benefit concert? That could be some major dollars to go towards the housing issue in lower Puna.

[WestCoastGal]

@Moose, I know Bruno Mars is doing 2 concerts soon. There was a big bru-ha over the general public being able to get tickets before scalpers if I recall correctly so the original concert date was expanded. Didn't read the article for content so am not sure if it was announced funds were being donated but I wouldn't be surprised if they were. He's donated many times to various organizations and I know he donated $1M to Flint over their water quality issues. Can't imagine Hawaii disaster relief would be left off, maybe an announcement at the concert?