Laaz Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 (edited) Another shock. This went through the 16F ice / snow storm & looks like it survived. I thought is was dead, cut the top off and sure enough it is coming back. Edited March 21, 2018 by Laaz 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austinpalm Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 That seems equivalent to what I have experienced. Last year my similar sized P. sunkha experienced (unprotected) a low of 20F with very little cool down before hand. The palm lost the spear and newest frond. Other fronds had minor burn. A new spear emerged in late May/early June. This past winter, the palm experienced 17F while covered by paper sacks and a black plastic trash bag. No noticeable damage this year. This palm only grows for me during the fall/winter/spring (and slowly at that), so decided to protect this year. Am leery that loss of the spear could prove mortal for this species that seems to shutdown during my summers. Am hopeful that as the palm is gaining size it is also gaining some hardiness. Have you noticed if your P. sunkha continues to grow thru summer? Clay South Padre Island, Zone 10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted March 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Yes, it put out a few fronds last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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iwan Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 My remaining sunkha reverts to juvenile leaves and sulks after a hard freeze (low 20's under frost cloth). Hopefully, it will grow out of that (and grow). I would keep the growing point dry until full growth has pushed past the cut. 1 Robert Madera, CA (central San Joaquin valley) 9A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alohas Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) I have this small sunkha planted two years ago at strap leaf stage; we had 19 deg f last winter and also this year, zero damage with frost cloth protection. DSC06295 by alohas alohas, sur Flickr Edited March 24, 2018 by alohas 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted March 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 O the other hand, Yatty x queen not so good... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Laaz said: O the other hand, Yatty x queen not so good... the trunk is still green though. Can't it come back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted March 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 I'm hoping. My Lytocaryum has much less damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew92 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Laaz said: O the other hand, Yatty x queen not so good... Yikes, thought that should've done much better. I know mules can be unpredictable sometimes when they get more queen or butia traits. But say you take your average mule palm, is it safe to say they can take upper teens most of the time and come back without major damage? or in your situation is it that you got a little worse than a "just below 20 deg quick upper teen freeze" and/or heavy winter precipitation that made the difference with it getting so much damage? If I create my FL Panhandle zone 8b tropical yard one day, mules would be the foundation for such a theme. As for the P. sunkha, that's another one I'd like to try here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 10 hours ago, Laaz said: O the other hand, Yatty x queen not so good... Standing 8 count Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 I think it was a combination of 16F freezing rain in the grown. It was just a freak winter event. All six of my mules had spear pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Laaz said: I think it was a combination of 16F freezing rain in the grown. It was just a freak winter event. All six of my mules had spear pull. Are any of them coming back? Mules are beautiful and one of my favorite palms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Yeah, they are all pushing new spears. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Laaz said: Yeah, they are all pushing new spears. yeah but isn't the one above that only has the green trunk a mule? Where is the new spear I can't see it? Can you take a close up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xhoniwaters1 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 The palm's growth point is pushing the center up as you can see in the picture. A new spear will eventually emerge. Looks very similar to my 5 gal size Queen and Bismarkia's right now but my low was 21. Tyler Coastal Zone 9a ''Karma is a good girl, she just treats you exactly how you treat her" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Yep, that white spot is the new spear pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Hope your Parajubaea makes it. My Copernicia alba suffered from my stupidity in over-protection during our 20º F night. I wrapped it with some old Christmas lights that burned hotter than I expected (first time using). Here it is one day after surgery in Feb and 2 weeks later: 2 Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TexasColdHardyPalms Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Well, i decided to pull one of these 15g out and put it in the ground just to try. This is the coolest spot we have in the summer with good airflow. Im confident it'll do well in the summer but the winter will test it for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said: Well, i decided to pull one of these 15g out and put it in the ground just to try. This is the coolest spot we have in the summer with good airflow. Im confident it'll do well in the summer but the winter will test it for sure. You’re fine in the summer. These love cooking in high heat. Nice palm! Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 3/29/2018, 9:16:23, Moose said: Standing 8 count Lmao! Want to put money on it Bullwinkle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 On 3/29/2018 10:58:36, Laaz said: O the other hand, Yatty x queen not so good... 5 hours ago, Laaz said: Lmao! Want to put money on it Bullwinkle? As my Jamaican friends would say. "Da ting be dying mon". 1 Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 On 3/29/2018, 9:16:23, Moose said: Not quite... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 On 4/5/2018 10:00:39, Laaz said: Something is definitely getting pushed out. Using up stored reserves of carbohydrates. If you can get it to start the photosynthesis process and produce carbohydrates to sustain the palm there is a chance. Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 On 4/5/2018 10:00:39, Laaz said: On 4/6/2018 8:33:59, Moose said: Something is definitely getting pushed out. Using up stored reserves of carbohydrates. If you can get it to start the photosynthesis process and produce carbohydrates to sustain the palm there is a chance. 9 days later, is it still pushing that nub? Any green? Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 It will be fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Laaz said: It will be fine. What are those lights for adjacent to the plant? Is that to add heat protection on super cold nights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 Nope, just solar lights. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted April 16, 2018 Report Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Laaz said: Nope, just solar lights. Cool bet that looks good at night all lit up with the greeness of the palms fronds. Especially in winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 On 3/21/2018, 2:10:32, Austinpalm said: That seems equivalent to what I have experienced. Last year my similar sized P. sunkha experienced (unprotected) a low of 20F with very little cool down before hand. The palm lost the spear and newest frond. Other fronds had minor burn. A new spear emerged in late May/early June. This past winter, the palm experienced 17F while covered by paper sacks and a black plastic trash bag. No noticeable damage this year. This palm only grows for me during the fall/winter/spring (and slowly at that), so decided to protect this year. Am leery that loss of the spear could prove mortal for this species that seems to shutdown during my summers. Am hopeful that as the palm is gaining size it is also gaining some hardiness. Have you noticed if your P. sunkha continues to grow thru summer? Are there any phoenix palms in the Austin area? the zone there is 9a according to data from Mabry airport. I google streetviewed and couldn't find any, but that is not really reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 2 hours ago, mthteh1916 said: Are there any phoenix palms in the Austin area? the zone there is 9a according to data from Mabry airport. I google streetviewed and couldn't find any, but that is not really reliable. There are plenty in austin and houston. There are also plenty of trunking phoenix in the Dallas/fort worth metro as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 I was down in Jacksonville a couple weeks ago. The city spent a lot of money lining the center of the streets with huge phoenix palms. Also saw quite a lot of large queens in yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Laaz said: I was down in Jacksonville a couple weeks ago. The city spent a lot of money lining the center of the streets with huge phoenix palms. Also saw quite a lot of large queens in yards. Charleston should do that with filibusta and with sylvestris palms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Laaz said: I was down in Jacksonville a couple weeks ago. The city spent a lot of money lining the center of the streets with huge phoenix palms. Also saw quite a lot of large queens in yards. I wish more southern cities would do public planting of hardy phoenix and filibusta palms. They would do fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 12 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said: There are plenty in austin and houston. There are also plenty of trunking phoenix in the Dallas/fort worth metro as well. can you recommend any street views to see them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Atlantic+Blvd,+Jacksonville,+FL/@30.3244586,-81.4111332,99m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e5b4cedd1e147d:0x22a08382f1ff1707!8m2!3d30.3240751!4d-81.5261371 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted April 17, 2018 Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/16/2018, 7:15:40, Laaz said: It will be fine. Glad to see your Yatay mule coming back - hope to see leaves opening up soon. Jon 1 Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 Thanks Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted April 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2018 The Sunkha is doing great as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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