Aldert Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) For some years I was trying to make this cross. After being hold up by some one who had the Princeps male flowering for some years already, I finally succeeded in pollinating my Waggy with pollen from a dutch palm enthousiast. The result off sowing some seeds in January, is so far two seedlings. I think that the seeds behave as the true Princeps, a few will germinate in the first year, and the others the years to come. Edited May 14, 2017 by Aldert 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted May 14, 2017 Report Share Posted May 14, 2017 Wow, Nice!! How large is the princeps that flowered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted May 15, 2017 Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 Princeps is a 2 ridger(first leaf)and yours is coming up a four ridger like Fortunei(Waggie)...very interesting,this is the cross that I have always wanted to try but I have always wondered if the latent Fortunei genes in Wagnerianus would show up in a cross with Princeps and leave you with a plant similar to "Nova"???? This will be very interesting to watch develop! Please keep us posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldert Posted May 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2017 (edited) Some pictures of the male Trachycarpus Princeps. I think that the trunk is about 1 meter high. Jim, I sold some of the seeds on the EPS. Edited May 15, 2017 by Aldert 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 I would love to get some but I am not a member of EPS anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Great pics!! Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palm crazy Posted June 3, 2017 Report Share Posted June 3, 2017 I look forward to seeing how your babies turn out, good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 This is an exciting cross Aldert. I also managed to get some pollen this year from a former EPS member in London. I managed to cross it with wagnerianus, and fortunei. I also had some seeds from you that have already germinated so I look forward to see how they develop as I think they will be outstanding cold hardy palms for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted June 12, 2017 Report Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) This was the male princeps Edited June 12, 2017 by Vic 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 are there anymore pics available of the seedling coming up???? It will be interesting to see if any 2 riders pop up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted June 26, 2017 Report Share Posted June 26, 2017 too early to tell if any of mine are have 2 ridges, i will know in a month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted July 28, 2017 Report Share Posted July 28, 2017 I just noticed a week ago that some of my 40 or so seeds(2) are starting to come up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Now 5...exciting up to the minute updates... Maybe get a ridge count on some of these in a month or so and find out whos running the show...2 ridgers for Princeps or 4 for Waggies...or ?#?...certainly will be fun to see what features develop on this new creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I walked by my baby princeps this afternoon and snapped a few pics to keep the thread going. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Love the furry trunks on these palms....this cross really intrigues me... it will be fascinating to see if they are all 4 ridgers or a mix of 2 & 4... last time I looked about 15 had come up out of the 40 planted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 I would guess with the mother being Waggy that they will be 4 ridgers. From that I have witnessed with palms and cycads the mother's genes are usually very dominant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 All of my 18 or so WxP seedlings are 4-ridgers. The pics seem to show what might appear to be 8 or 9 ridges but this is just an illusion as on each leaf blade there are pale lines between each one. Each blade is very wide indeed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Thanks for posting pics of these....do they seem a little different than typical Fortunei seedlings-if so,in what way??? They look a little different to me... that ridge outline is smoother than what I have seen and they appear to be wider and possibly longer? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 They look like healthy waggy seedlings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jas. Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Thanks for the close up, shows what you mean beautifully, nice and healthy looking. When did you plant your seeds. Jas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 (edited) On 6/22/2017, 1:06:57, Jimhardy said: Edited August 12, 2017 by Vic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 On 6/26/2017, 10:13:20, Vic said: too early to tell if any of mine are have 2 ridges, i will know in a month or so. Mine are now pushing 2nd leaves and are all 4 ridgers except one that has 3 ridges. I bought a few extra from Aldert and sowed then directly in the garden, and after a warm spring/summer they are all coming up too. Very good seeds, looking forward to how they will develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh-O Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 5/15/2017, 10:00:50, Aldert said: Some pictures of the male Trachycarpus Princeps. I think that the trunk is about 1 meter high. Jim, I sold some of the seeds on the EPS. great pics!! that plant looks suuuuuuper happy. Great job growing it Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation) Sunset zone 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenarr09 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 On 12/08/2017, 23:37:50, Vic said: Mine are now pushing 2nd leaves and are all 4 ridgers except one that has 3 ridges. I bought a few extra from Aldert and sowed then directly in the garden, and after a warm spring/summer they are all coming up too. Very good seeds, looking forward to how they will develop. I have bought fortunei x princeps will to compare the difference between them. I hope they will germinate quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 I think I counted 30 of the 40 seeds up so far here....if I can suggest (if you guys have not thought of this already)to separate any 3 ridgers,2 ridgers or any deviation from the (apparently) "normal" 4 ridgers to see how they may defer.....and they probably will differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josue Diaz Posted April 5, 2019 Report Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) I bought and germinated seed sold as princeps x wagnerianus. Here are my seedlings at the moment. I had near 100% germination within a few weeks of planting them. I'm not sure if I'm counting these right but I'm seeing 4 ridges on these strap leaves. Edited April 5, 2019 by Josue Diaz 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 4 ridges spell problems. All of the Waggy x princeps I have are 2-3 ridges, and I germinated about 400 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted April 24, 2019 Report Share Posted April 24, 2019 I only have 1 princeps x wagnerianus and that was given to me as an established seedling, but i see no reason why there wouldn't be 4 ridges in the mix? Most of the wag x princeps i produced were thin strap leaf seedling almost void of any ridges. I've just germinated (nanus x wagnerianus) x princeps, so with 75% of its genes coming from 2 ridgers i'd expect very few if any 4 ridges and more 2 ridgers, but time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jas. Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Hi, I have just gone out into the garden and counted the ridges on my seedlings. I seem to have one 2 ridge a couple of 3 ridge and the rest are all 4 ridge. From what I have read on here does that mean the 2 and 3 ridges should grow differently, I should lavish more love and attention on these than the 4 ridges. Regards Jas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyt Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 On 4/24/2019 at 8:31 AM, TexasColdHardyPalms said: 4 ridges spell problems. All of the Waggy x princeps I have are 2-3 ridges, and I germinated about 400 of them. That is why they call that 4th ridge, “Heartbreak Ridge”. Yuk, Yuk! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldert Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 (edited) The female Trachycarpus Princeps in The Netherlands! The only so far known female Princeps at this moment. But others females will come soon! Edited October 9, 2019 by Aldert Seeds of the Princeps pollinated with Naggy and others with Nanus. The upper seeds in the photo are WagnerianusXPrinceps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldert Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 PrincepsXWagnerianus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldert Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 WagnerianusXPrinceps 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldert Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Side by side, left WaggyXPrinceps. Right PrincepsXWaggy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted November 6, 2019 Report Share Posted November 6, 2019 very nice...they really have grown! I only have a few left out of mine but they do appear to have some vigor,I had a very small one spear pull(only 4 leaves) and it came back...sometimes thats tough for the little guys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Manassas Posted February 8, 2020 Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 Hello everyone, I'm new here. I have tried to grow this palm several times now from seed and so far have been unsuccessful. These seeds are either really hard to germinate or I'm really bad at trying to get them to germinate. Either way, I've come up empty handed each time. Since several of you seem to have gotten them to grow, I was wondering if any of you would be willing to part with a couple. I would be willing to pay of course as long as it's reasonable. Please PM me if you are interested. Thanks! Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe NC Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 My waggie x prince grown from the seeds that were/are available on eBay. It is a crappy photo, but they are more waxy and blue than a regular waggie for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Nice Joe, can you remember who the Ebay seller was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe NC Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Vic said: Nice Joe, can you remember who the Ebay seller was? I just checked my purchase history. The seller was thepalmgrower and the seeds shipped from the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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