Perhaps this has been asked earlier but how often you water your Garden in Fall and Winter?

at the moment we are in Fall and nights getting cooler ( last night was 8C) and I am just curious ( if there is no raining)  how often I need to water my palms in ground and also in pots ( I asked this in its own thread too)? also when the watering should be done, in mid day when its warmer ?

It largely depends on what you are trying to grow, soil condition, and if there is some sort of microclimate available in your yard. Have a knowledge of the plants and how its surroundings will effect it, these are some basic's points to keep in mind. If you are growing species that are found throughout your area its likely that watering is important to establish the plant, a few weeks and then leave it. Pot plants in general should be kept on the dry side during winter as growth is much less during this time. If you are growing species of plants that generally die outside in winter, the amount of water becomes extremely important as does the heat or lack of it and as I mentioned earlier, microclimate. Plants are like many people take them out of there comfort zone and they become unhappy sods. Having said that there are many plants and palms of tropical origin that will do well in parts of Sydney with little care. Know your garden.

Cheers

I try to water my unprotected palms regularly, at least twice a week, all throughout winter....The covered palms (w. robusta, filifera, S. mexicana..) are watered as needed (usually every two weeks) during "warm spells" throughout the winter.  

20 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Perhaps this has been asked earlier but how often you water your Garden in Fall and Winter?

at the moment we are in Fall and nights getting cooler ( last night was 8C) and I am just curious ( if there is no raining)  how often I need to water my palms in ground and also in pots ( I asked this in its own thread too)? also when the watering should be done, in mid day when its warmer ?

Autumn mate, we call it Autumn....not Fall

But on a serious note I know my climate is very different to yours but it is still important to retain soil moisture obviously for the health of the plant but also in respect to providing insulation........ Moist soil will retain heat better than dry soil. That is where a lot of people go wrong with Lipstick Palms.

2 hours ago, Tropicgardener said:

Autumn mate, we call it Autumn....not Fall

Autumm or fall? I think i must learn british english, australian english and USA english.

My climate is like Mohsen and i can tell you, wet soils in Winter kill more palms than dry soils.

Edited April 30, 20179 yr by Monòver

When they need it.

40 minutes ago, Monòver said:

Autumm or fall? I think i must learn british english, australian english and USA english.

My climate is like Mohsen and i can tell you, wet soils in Winter kill more palms than dry soils.

Not talking wet (unless you are growing Lipstick Palms)..... I am talking moist soil, there is quite a difference....... Dry and cold is not good.

3 hours ago, Tropicgardener said:

10 minutes ago, Tropicgardener said:

Not talking wet (unless you are growing Lipstick Palms)..... I am talking moist soil, there is quite a difference....... Dry and cold is not good.

i am agree, but in a climate with cool Winters like mine it is complicated to have moist soil.

If you water your palms, it will be wet for a long time and of course, after to be wet, they will be moist.

I think you must "play " with the forecast. If it says will be cloud and cool, no water. If it will be sunny and dry, water.

 As the only palm enthusiast in my town it seems trial and error is the way. Surprisingly triangle palms, lots of water and growth in winter. They dislike summers here and stall. So almost no extra water during summer. Bottle palms year round water.

 Have to monitor situation with each plant. Especially ones like areca vestiana and dypsis lastenellia that haven't been in ground over a year and are difficult to find here. Watch those very closely so far so good.

If it doesn't look like it will freeze during the next couple of days and it is really dry, I'll give it a deep watering.  Especially true for coconuts.

As Andrew said I think it is important to retain soil moisture. I think the temperatures where you are Mohsen will be similar to mine. I find that I pretty much don't water until October now because we get quite alot of rain in late autumn to spring so the soil never dries out but is instead moist at its driest. Watering in those conditions are just going to make things wet and make the plants rot because they are not growing all that much in the cold to use all that water. I have watered in April this year because we had a string of mid 20 temperatures earlier this month which made the soil start to dry a little. So unless you are getting 20+ temperatures during the day with no rain I doubt you will need to worry about watering. I also have deep sandy soil that drains very well here. If you have clayey soils that doesn't drain all that well it might be worth trying to keep it drier rather than thinking about watering it because plants are more prone to rot in waterlogged soils.

I think your climate is similar to ours albeit a tad warmer but with about 1200mm of rainfall.  I am unlikely to have to water potted plants in the shade house until December.  Most of my in-ground palms haven't been watered at all for a couple of years so my extensive irrigation system is really only used when it's unusually dry. But I'm on clay and we get heavy dew almost every day of the year...

On 29 April 2017 9:18:20 PM, Mohsen said:

Perhaps this has been asked earlier but how often you water your Garden in Fall and Winter?

at the moment we are in Fall and nights getting cooler ( last night was 8C) and I am just curious ( if there is no raining)  how often I need to water my palms in ground and also in pots ( I asked this in its own thread too)? also when the watering should be done, in mid day when its warmer ?

What's the most tropical palm you're growing? What is your soil type?

On 5/2/2017, 9:47:51, Tyrone said:

What's the most tropical palm you're growing? What is your soil type?

, Normanbya normanbyi, Wodyetia bifurcata , Dyspis Lepto, Dypsis Carlsmithii, Dypsis ovobontsira , Hyophorbe Indica ... not sure which one is more tropical...

I think I have clay and rocky sail but I have amended as deep as I could using compost...

Young Hyophorbe indicas do tend to rot if too cold and wet. Normanbyas don't like cold and very wet either. They can get bacterial spotting etc. All of them would do better on the dry side through the coldest part of winter. Can I suggest getting one of those soil moisture probes from Bunnings and every few days just testing the soil. Your aim is to keep the soil just moist. Not bone dry and certainly not saturated. Soil can look very dry on the surface but the probe will tell you what's going on a few cm down where it matters. No point overwatering to keep the surface looking moist and then rotting your plants.

Agree, this palms will be better in the dry side.

If your soil is clay, be careful watering in Winter. May be the top soil, amanded with compost is dry, but the deep soil, can be wet. Perhaps, starting the Winter your palms will be nice, but after Winter, may be they will have root rot, pink rot, brown spots or smaller new leaves.

Last Winter, my Carpoxilon, was no watered from December to February, and it is alive. 

On 5/4/2017, 12:21:50, Tyrone said:

Young Hyophorbe indicas do tend to rot if too cold and wet. Normanbyas don't like cold and very wet either. They can get bacterial spotting etc. All of them would do better on the dry side through the coldest part of winter. Can I suggest getting one of those soil moisture probes from Bunnings and every few days just testing the soil. Your aim is to keep the soil just moist. Not bone dry and certainly not saturated. Soil can look very dry on the surface but the probe will tell you what's going on a few cm down where it matters. No point overwatering to keep the surface looking moist and then rotting your plants.

Thanks Tyrone for the info , I have two questions now :

1- I bought 1 moisture probe from ebay but never happy with it and never tryst the results, what model you are using so I will buy the same

2- What is the definition " in winter" , when we are in winter , at the moment nights temp might get down to 10C , should we consider we are in winter ? if we are in Autumn and then what should we do in Autumn reg watering?

Hi Mohsen.

I still water in winter if we have long periods with no rain. I only water in the mornings so plants are able to dry off before nightfall. It's best to keep foliage dry overnight.

I have a lot of large trees that do suck up a lot of water.

Steve.

On 2 May 2017 at 9:47:51 PM, Tyrone said:

What's the most tropical palm you're growing? What is your soil type?

 

22 hours ago, Palms4Steve said:

Hi Mohsen.

I still water in winter if we have long periods with no rain. I only water in the mornings so plants are able to dry off before nightfall. It's best to keep foliage dry overnight.

I have a lot of large trees that do suck up a lot of water.

Steve.

Thanks Steve

when you consider winter ( mid June- early July) or depending on the temp? Also if there is no rain how often ( and for how long) you water your palms in ground and pots in Winter and Autumn ?

Mohsen, for what you are growing you are still warm if you are getting down to 10C at night. I'm growing pretty much the same as you except I don't have any Normanbya because we don't have anywhere near enough summer night heat for them, and believe it or not I've already had a minus 1.1C this week. That blew my mind. I hope it doesn't give an indication of the winter to come. I'm still getting up into the mid to high twenties during the day though. We've been right underneath some high pressure cells lately. (My most tropical palms would have to be Pinanga coronata, P dicksonii, P javana, Arenga westerhoutii, Roystonea borinquena.) But in my nursery area under canopy I'm still watering every few days in the middle of the day when the temps are up and the foliage has time to dry off before the night kicks in. Now the nursery plants are in potting mix which is designed to drain and with the angle of the sun they get full midday sun. Stuff in the ground (peat and clay) can get away with a brief watering once a week at the moment, as we've had very little rain. But once the rain starts, the retic will remain off except for the odd warm day and only in the nursery area. Nothing is suffering at the moment. We are getting very heavy dews overnight and thick fog in the morning which moistens things up.

Sydney winters are quite a bit drier than over here so I don't think you'll be getting too wet and cold. 

I can't remember the make of moisture meter I bought but it was the cheap Bunnings version and it seemed to work fine.

 

One thing to keep in mind that the water coming out of the tap is pretty cold during winter, atleast here in Port Macquarie.

12 hours ago, Mohsen said:

Thanks Steve

when you consider winter ( mid June- early July) or depending on the temp? Also if there is no rain how often ( and for how long) you water your palms in ground and pots in Winter and Autumn ?

I think it depends on temp. If it hasn't rained for a while I just water when I think the ground or pots are getting dry.