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Chuniophoenix nana vs Rhaphis excelsa

Alicehunter2000
Alicehunter2000
in COLD HARDY PALMS

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The recent 25 degree temps tested the nana for the first time .....post-97-0-97659500-1417994645_thumb.jpg

C. nana putting out new leaf....no damage

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R. excelsa #1 showing burn

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R. excelsa #2 showing burn

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R. excelsa var. "Short and Fat" ...no damage

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R. excelsa dwarf variety.....no damage

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R. multifida ....no damage

Really surprised at the hardiness of C. nana ..... what have others observed?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Mine (C nana) lost the tallest trunk in 2010 (unprotected) but has grown strong since then.

-Krishna

Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

Two winters ago my yard in SE Houston experienced 22F. I have 3 clumps of R. excelsa that are mature, about 8 feet tall and about 12 years old in different parts of the yard, not in exposed areas. Each clump experienced about 10% of the canes dying with spear pull. A few of the leaves on surviving canes turned brown the following summer but all in all they looked very good with just a bit of pruning. A under used palm in Houston from my experience.

Ed in Houston

Ed!

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David, is that frost on the ground in picture#4??

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24
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Lol....no ...my "soil"

My neighborhood beach 5 houses to the south.post-97-0-98514400-1418268383_thumb.jpg

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Interesting hardiness observation, thanks for sharing!

Jeremy Breland
itinerant public garden horticulturist
A native of the US Gulf Coast: USDA hardiness zone 8b-9b; AHS heat zone 8-9, Sunset climate zone 28; Trewartha climate classification: Cf-humid subtropical; Hot and humid summers with occasional droughts, warm and wet winters punctuated by cold snaps.

Currently in New Orleans, LA, zone 9b, heat zone 8

Yes, thanks for sharing. I also have some C. nanas growing here,

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

I have them growing here in Jax under pine canaopy --- for what ever reason they all have survived for about 8 years now --- I dont know if it got down to 20 there but it has been down to 20 F in the yard or perhaps lower. C. hainensis I had for about 10 years but lost it during a bad winter about 10 years ago.

It sat for years then all of sudden I got 5 foot of trunk one summer ( just like the folks in Hawaii ) then bame the winter killed it. alot of days may be a fortnight below freezing --- maybe a low of 20F at the lowest but lots of nights at 25 F

I will try this one again but havent found a good one

Ed
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C. hainensis was suggested by Jeff at Floribunda .... should have took his advice.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Lol....no ...my "soil"

My neighborhood beach 5 houses to the south.attachicon.gif20141026_173420.jpg

you must have killer drainage?

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

KILLER is the right word . . . :bemused:

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I am more surprised at the hardiness of your R multifida- those are supposed to be relatively wimpy (27F)… glad to see they did well… I have all mine in the greenhouse here where it gets down to 20F most years… so far, none of my Rhapis excelsas have been burned (by cold… summer heat fries them some). Chuniophoenix in greenhouse, too… maybe I should be trying it outside… too chicken for now. Back when I live in the San Fernando Valley, we got down to 24F for nearly a whole day and the Chuniophoenix were completely unscathed… thought i had a nana and a hainensis (got one of each from Jeff), but turned out both nanas. Bummer… would love to find out how hard hainensis is. Lost lots of palms that day in the valley, but was pleasantly surprised by the hardiness of others. I admit my multifidas did well, too, but they were all planted against the house, so not sure they experienced 24F.
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Yes C.hainensis might be one to trial....

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R. excelsa var. "Short and Fat" ...no damage

I wonder if this might be Rhapis excelsa 'KOBAN'

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Dang perfectly healthy looking nana had spear pull on tallest stem...dag nab it!

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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