buffy Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Who knows. Mine's been in the ground 3-4 years. I've heard that, but I'll have to see it to believe it. Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8B palms Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Hi Buffy, what butia is the mother in your cross is it Butia odorata or Butia paraguayensis, as if it's the latter I would imagine it's less cold hardy than Odorata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in Tucson Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Just for the record Patric sold me a BXPJ sunkha in Oct. - a small liner. I will post pics of it's growth progression this spring. Casas Adobes, AZ Hi 64, Lo 40 Tom Birt - Casas Adobes - NW of Tucson since July 2014 formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffy Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 It's B. odorata, but again, the point is variability. If you're buying one of these and expecting a certain set of characteristics, then you may be disappointed. It's a mixed bag. Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Three different B x P I´m growing here. Last pic : new opened inflorescence and a few fruits forming on an older infructescence Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Some slower palm companions and BxP Three BxP . Finally nice weather after heavy rains for two days ! Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8B palms Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) Hi Alberto, first off merry Christmas. What exactly are your B x P crosses, which Butia species and parajubaea's. Also where are you located, which zone? and what lows have these crosses seen and what damage have they suffered. Edited December 25, 2014 by 8B palms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Also a merry Christmas ! Mine BxP came from Patric Schaffer as seeds. I´m not sure which Butia was used (Butia odorata / paraguayensis) and the pollen came from a Parajubaea cocoides. They didn´t saw extreme cold until now. Coldest was plus minus -5,5ºC and they did not suffer any damage . Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 When did yours go in the ground, Alberto? How old are they? Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8B palms Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Thanks Alberto, so like others have said there is variation even with the same cross. So -5.5 is approx 21oF. So are you a zone 9a or 8b? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Most of the years 9b, some years 9a and a "century freeze" 8b, if that makes sense. This BxP were planted in 2008 and in october 2008 the little palms show the first pinate mature leaves: http://www.palmsociety.org.uk/forum/topic.asp?boardid=1&show=31&page=0&topicid=1983&topicpage=1 Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8B palms Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 See I am a solid 8b, so I am nervous long term what's the potential. I know Patric has Butia odorata x Parajubaea cocoides and I here maybe Butia eriospatha x Parajubaea sunkha in the spring. Wondering what the ultimate cold hardiness of these 2 hybrids might be. I know initially they might suffer burn or spear pull, but when they get some size I wonder how cold hardy, any thoughts anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 P. sunkha is a lot cold hardier then P. cocoides for sure! B. eriospatha grows wild in Santa Catarina also in higher places where queen palms are absent, So it is pprobably one of the cold hardiest butias; Are you sure it is Butia erio x P. sunkha Patric is producing now? I tried to hybridize my B. erio with sunkha pollen from my palms, but without succes until now. I´ll try again with VERY fresh pollen ..... Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeeth Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Thanks for the pics Alberto! Yours definitely seem to have more characteristics of the Butia parent than the Parajubaea. I wonder what this hybrid will look like when it gets big! They seem to grow very fast for you, so I would imagine that it wouldn't take too long. Are your Beccariophoenix still okay after the -5.5 degree C weather? B. erio x P. sunkha would probably be the best combination for this hybrid in Florida. P. sunhka seems to perform moderately well in north Florida from the posts I've seen, so it seems like it would be a good choice for this hybrid. Keith Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8B palms Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Smithgn said he had this cross one first page of this thread on November 26th I believe. Maybe this is not true, maybe Snithgn can confirm this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8B palms Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Smithgn said he had this cross one first page of this thread on November 26th I believe. Maybe this is not true, maybe Snithgn can confirm this. Josh76 stated that this is the cross on page 2 if this thread, so maybe he can confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithgn Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 The hybrid Patric sent me was a Butia capitata (Odorata) x P. Cocoides. After looking back at the e-mail, Patric did say he would have PJ Sunkha available "at some later date". I mistakenly thought he said it'd be available in the spring. Anyway, just to make it official, here's what he said in response to an e-mail I sent him: Dear N. Smith The plant has been in a unheated GH 50/100 full light . Butia parent is a capitara type , pollen parent is PJ Cocoides I will have PJ Sunkha at some later date PATRIC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8B palms Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hi Smithgn, thanks for clarifying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh76 Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Yep - he emailed me a few days ago saying that he had one-leaf Butia capitata (i.e. odorata) x Parajubaea sunkha... but they are too small to sell at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 My B x PJ. Been in the ground for about 3 years. Still gets spear damage during heavy frost but older leaves show no damage. Spear damage is usually minor and plant quickly grows out of it in the spring. Kinda getting to the size where these hybrids dramatically increase their growth rates. Already noticeably picking up speed this spring. Little P. sunkha is peeking in from the left on the lower planter. Jason Gainesville, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Looking good Tank. Mine are going in the ground in 3 weeks. I'll post pics. I've noticed that these are rather wispy at a young age, but the leaflets seem to get denser as they mature. I hope ours follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I have also noticed variability in the length of the petiole. I'm hoping for flatter fronds, short petiole, and dense leaflets. I get that with hybrids its kind of a crap shoot, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandrew968 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 My B x PJ. Been in the ground for about 3 years. Still gets spear damage during heavy frost but older leaves show no damage. Spear damage is usually minor and plant quickly grows out of it in the spring. Kinda getting to the size where these hybrids dramatically increase their growth rates. Already noticeably picking up speed this spring. Little P. sunkha is peeking in from the left on the lower planter. butiaXparaj1.JPG That's a sweet spot and a great choice for such a location. Hope it grows out of the spear pull--that always makes me nervous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 My B x PJ. Been in the ground for about 3 years. Still gets spear damage during heavy frost but older leaves show no damage. Spear damage is usually minor and plant quickly grows out of it in the spring. Kinda getting to the size where these hybrids dramatically increase their growth rates. Already noticeably picking up speed this spring. Little P. sunkha is peeking in from the left on the lower planter. butiaXparaj1.JPG That's a sweet spot and a great choice for such a location. Hope it grows out of the spear pull--that always makes me nervous... Thanks Andrew, Its not really a spear pull, just kinda junked up right at the point where it emerges from the base. Usually results in half of that leaf looking torched. Pretty common for these hybrids. Mules usually stop losing their spears at about this size so I hope this one follows suit. A little bummed because my low was right around what I see every year, around 26F. Jason Gainesville, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Tank, I don't think its the cold. One of mine spent the winter in a GH that was heated on freezing nights. It has the same spear issue. I can't remember if it is the one that had the same thing when I got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tank Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Tank, I don't think its the cold. One of mine spent the winter in a GH that was heated on freezing nights. It has the same spear issue. I can't remember if it is the one that had the same thing when I got it. Not sure what else it would be. Any ideas? Jason Gainesville, Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kailua_Krish Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 No idea. I thought it was cold/damp as mine had this same problem! -Krishna Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry! Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Maybe cool and damp, but like I said, one of mine had it when I got it, and I have not let these palms see below 35 F. Maybe humid, stagnant air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hey, Alberto, why don't you try to pollinate one of those butia x parajub with syagrus pollen. In my imagination, that would create an absolutely beautiful palm. Then, since it was my idea, you can send me some seeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonD Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Some slower palm companions and BxP Three BxP . Finally nice weather after heavy rains for two days ! What is the palm in the right front of the photo, with the stiff, plumose leaves? Jason Dewees Inner Sunset District San Francisco, California Sunset zone 17 USDA zone 10a 21 inches / 530mm annual rainfall, mostly October to April Humidity averages 60 to 85 percent year-round. Summer: 67F/55F | 19C/12C Winter: 56F/44F | 13C/6C 40-year extremes: 96F/26F | 35.5C/-3.8C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Syagrus comosa? Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh-O Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Jason, the leaves appear to be pinnate. My guess is ravenea xerophila Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation) Sunset zone 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
County Ag Agent Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Dear Guy's, I love the palm talk. I live in New Mexico and have over 250 palms in the ground. I see you have a friend who has unusual hybrids. Would you mind sharing his name and address so that I may have the opportunity to purchase some of his hybrids? I promise not to buy him out, first off I don't have enough money and second my space is becoming limited. I love the Butia x Parajubaea hybrids. I have Parajubaea torallyi and it has been down to 5F. foliage was burned off, but it came back strong in the spring. that was in 2011, since then it has not frozen back. I appreciate your help as fellow palm enthusiasts. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in Tucson Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Patric(k) Schafer basically runs a one man operation - no web site. His e-mail address is coolhybrids@wildblue.net.Great information on your Parajubaea tor. tor..Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ Hi 79, Lo 58 (10-7) Tom Birt - Casas Adobes - NW of Tucson since July 2014 formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 That's incredible that p torallyi can survive 5 F! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicehunter2000 Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 P. sunkha looking good but growing ..... sloooow...in 9a N. Florida. Hot summer part shade location does not appear to bother it. 4 David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a 200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida 30 ft. elevation and sandy soil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 a good thing to come out of our recent deep freeze.... the dwarf ginger surrounding my hybrids froze and needed to be cut down. Now I can see my palms... and they look great! 25 degrees and wet with no damage! Love it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 And here's a pic of my other one (both are butia x pjc from Patrick) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted February 20, 2017 Report Share Posted February 20, 2017 So, no obvious cold damage to my 2 hybrids, but the most recently opened fronds on both of them collapsed. In other words, the whole frond is green and open, but the petiole buckled and turned brown. I guess that is the "spear funk" yall have been talking about? I don't see a new spear! I'm getting a little worried. I'm not sure if its cold damage or wind damage now that the palm is not surrounded/ supported by all of that ginger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Loam Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Tropicdoc, what was the extreme low temperature that you experienced this winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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