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On 12/17/2014, 6:46:36, _Keith said:

 

Next time you make it down to Tigerland, plan for a stop to see your old Mules. That yatay Mule is a show-stopper

 

What does a yatay Mule show-stopper look like? Inquiring minds need the know. :interesting:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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So does that butia x p sunkha have pretty flat fronds? Am I seeing that right? All of my butia x parajub (I have 4) have fronds somewhat in an upward v like butia.

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11 hours ago, Tropicdoc said:

So does that butia x p sunkha have pretty flat fronds? Am I seeing that right? All of my butia x parajub (I have 4) have fronds somewhat in an upward v like butia.

My newest seedling still has strap leaves, so I'll have to wait and see. The older one has leaves in a V shape that is more acute than B x PJc  or Bp x PJc. It also has a Butia like blue tinge.

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

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Tom Birt - Casas Adobes - NW of Tucson since July 2014

formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego

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Funny how the genetics work I bought 2 bp x pjc and they are deep green. Then I bought 2 more a year later... These are more grey green like butia

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7 hours ago, maesy said:

In 2007 i bought a b x pj from partic that was a bit grey green as well. Finally it turned out to be a plain butia var. paraguayensis.

 

Marcel

I assume Patric(k) did not sell the hybrid Butia paraguayensis X Parajubaea cocoides back then, and you thought you were buying a Butia odorata (or mutt) X Parajubaea cocoides. So did he make a dual mistake? Did you contact him about the mistake?

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 84°, Lo 50°

 

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes - NW of Tucson since July 2014

formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego

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It was not labled as bp x pjc, until then I never heard of that cross, only b x pj. After it turned out not to be true in 2010, someone told me that he tried to make the same cross with paraguayensis.

So I dug it out again and potted it up. It is a paraguayensis. 

Patric was very gentle and replaced it. He even added a yatay x jubaea as a gift! Unfortunately the b x pj was a kind of a weak plant and it finally died. But it was the real thing the strap leaves looked very parajubaea like. I also should have used a bigger pot. Maybe it was my mistake.

The good thing is I am very happy with the yatay x jubaea which suits better to my climate anyway.

 

Marcel

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5 hours ago, maesy said:

It was not labled as bp x pjc, until then I never heard of that cross, only b x pj. After it turned out not to be true in 2010, someone told me that he tried to make the same cross with paraguayensis.

So I dug it out again and potted it up. It is a paraguayensis. 

Patric was very gentle and replaced it. He even added a yatay x jubaea as a gift! Unfortunately the b x pj was a kind of a weak plant and it finally died. But it was the real thing the strap leaves looked very parajubaea like. I also should have used a bigger pot. Maybe it was my mistake.

The good thing is I am very happy with the yatay x jubaea which suits better to my climate anyway.

 

Marcel

It's great to hear how gracious Patric(k) was in dealing with the problem.

By the way, your J x Q (JxS) looks great. I'm going to plant 2 this spring.

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes, AZ

Hi 84°, Lo 50° (2-20)

 

Tom Birt - Casas Adobes - NW of Tucson since July 2014

formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego

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On February 20, 2016 at 3:20:18 PM, maesy said:

Today I have planted out my J x S. I hope it will do well in my climate.

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Marcel

Once again variable genetics this hybrid is hardly plumose at all...looks great!

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My JxS survived here with just a wall o water and lows around 15f...  not really a test by any means but its a small plant and must have been in the low 20's.....

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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I wonder what ultimate height will be like for this hybrid. I'll bet it's pretty tall. Maybe one of the few "royal palm sized" palms one could do in a zone 8. Also can't wait to see what the trunk looks like as it gets older.

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On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2016‎ ‎9‎:‎02‎:‎07‎, Opal92 said:

I wonder what ultimate height will be like for this hybrid. I'll bet it's pretty tall. Maybe one of the few "royal palm sized" palms one could do in a zone 8. Also can't wait to see what the trunk looks like as it gets older.

Should be interesting...  Hopefully it turns out hardier than a mule palm when it gets some size to it as well.   I planted mine next to my fireplace..which I don't plan on using in the future.  It is poorly placed but I planted it in a really good micro-climate so.. hopefully even if it looks off.  I kind of went against the 'landscaping rules' and also have 2 butia in front of large windows.. which also are.. poorly placed.  They might not look right when they get larger.. which now I am kind of shaking my head a little.

 

So what do you think? 60 feet ?

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16 hours ago, SailorBold said:

Should be interesting...  Hopefully it turns out hardier than a mule palm when it gets some size to it as well.   I planted mine next to my fireplace..which I don't plan on using in the future.  It is poorly placed but I planted it in a really good micro-climate so.. hopefully even if it looks off.  I kind of went against the 'landscaping rules' and also have 2 butia in front of large windows.. which also are.. poorly placed.  They might not look right when they get larger.. which now I am kind of shaking my head a little.

 

So what do you think? 60 feet ?

I hear Butias move super well...maybe get them better placed while you still can?

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On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

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On 6/19/2016, 4:00:39, Ben in Norcal said:

I hear Butias move super well...maybe get them better placed while you still can?

Butia transplant extremely well small or large. Livistona chinensis is a transplant champ as well.

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I'm just going to leave them.. meh..  They are marginal so my planting locations are limited and they are in decent spots.. even though they are incorrect. They are growing faster than I thought they would too! I was hoping they would stay small

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How about a 2 year update?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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It is well protected in winter with a heat cable if it should go below -5° celsius. But it has seen close to -6° shortly after planting in march 2016.

 

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16 minutes ago, maesy said:

It is well protected in winter with a heat cable if it should go below -5° celsius. But it has seen close to -6° shortly after planting in march 2016.

 

Do you cover/wrap it as well? fronds look great :greenthumb:

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It should be able to handle -6 C. without protection...especially when bigger....its looking great albeit a little slow ….but that's most likely due to being in Switzerland?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Is that T. princeps behind it?

 

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Hi Maesy,

Nice looking palm,should speed up in the future and become  real queen.

You mentioned -6 c when planted,any foliar damage observed?

My one is still unprotected,but not really concerned after your observations regarding cold tolerance.5556AE58-880C-48B9-A294-89C9124CAA75.thu

Planted this April,photo taken August.

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It had a tiny spot in its emerging spear, but thats all.

As you can see, there are some damaged fronds from last winter. But I can not tell you what the lows were inside the protection.

Yours looks fine too.

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Have some old photos, but will take better one later this month.This winter the palm has seen -2,7 on two occasions ,but didn’t seem to bother.Is not very fast, but most likely is  related to lack of water.

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