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The Judean Date Palm

rubyz

By rubyz
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Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

Alicehunter2000

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After reading the linked articles it has really struck home how symbolic this palm will be among Christian religious circles. If it produces viable seed I predict there will be a huge demand worldwide for seed and seedlings of this tree and its prodgeny. Churches around the globe will probably pay a premium price for these palms and seed. This could be an incredible financial boom for palm research in general as well as dates from a possible new genetic variation.

Just think about the extrodinary symbolism that this palm represents.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Breadfruit Bill Grand Master

Breadfruit Bill

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I only know of a couple churches that pay a premium for anything! ;) I would figure the only group of people nutso enough to pay a premium for the prodgeny would be this group! ^_^

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KyleNcal Contributor

KyleNcal

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They should try Germinating a few more so they are assured a male and female.

Dave-Vero Grand Master

Dave-Vero

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The Great Beyond Blog at Nature Magazine also covers the news.

Efforts are being made to germinate more seeds from Masada.

I went to the supermarket last night and picked up some dates to munch.

Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
USDA 1990 hardiness zone 9B
Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

Palm Guy Mentor

Palm Guy

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I can't wait for some seeds to become available! I think I may have to take out a loan just to be able to afford them :blink:

David - You're right, this palm does have significance for Christians around the world. This was probably the palm that Jewish people of that era used to cut fronds in order to greet Jesus in a palmarific way! I also see people paying premiums to get seed or plants but only a few of the more ''wealthy" churches and christians would be able to afford it. I can see seed costing an arm and a leg let alone a full grown tree back from a 2000 year old grave!

Michael Ferreira

Bermuda-Humid(77% ave), Subtropical Zone 11, no frost

Warm Season: (May-November): Max/Min 81F/73F

Cool Season: (Dec-Apr): Max/Min 70F/62F

Record High: 94F

Record Low: 43F

Rain: 55 inches per year with no dry/wet season

Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

Alicehunter2000

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It would be practically impossible to get seeds that were found such as (Mehdthusila?).

However, if this palm actually produces viable seed by the hundreds it might be possible for the seed to become available at a steep price. We will probably have to stand in line behind the Israeli scientist and commercial palm growers and possibly churches who will surely want these seeds for various reasons.

A couple of things might make it available to the rest of us. First if the palm is prolific in its fruiting......we would be talking hundreds if not thousands of seeds in the lifetime of a single tree. More seeds....lower costs (supply and demand).

Secondly although not quite the same symbolically, having F3 seeds available, may become reality in a few years..........at this point or at F4 and beyond the seed might be available as just another variety, such as Medjool, in your local supermarket.

As many of you here, I would love to have a F2 seeds produced by the original seed taken from the Dead Sea. I believe our best shot at having this available to palm society members would be to have representatives over in Israel putting IPS members on the list of customers who want to purchase quantities for world distribution. Who better to do this than rrubyz, I have sent an email to him and hope that others do the same.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

Alicehunter2000

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What happens if this turns out to be not just another variety but different species. The genetic variation from modern dates is quite large....what would actually denote it as a different species?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

  • 6 months later...
phatmiata Collaborator

phatmiata

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No problem bumping this historic thread for an update!?!! The mods can probably lock up the other thread if needed so us noobs dont get confused.

And i still want one of these rare palms!!! :drool:

"Randy" IPS member # 150229

Dover, FL (West of Plant City, FL)

120 feet above sea level

Average Yearly Rainfall is 51.17 inches per year

Average Summer Temp 83F

Average Winter Temp 62F

USDA Zone 9a/9b

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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They should try Germinating a few more so they are assured a male and female.

I believe this point is not to be overlooked. If you have one plant, what "other" species will one cross it with?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Everyone is talking about seeds from the Judean date palm. What if it turns out to be a male plant?? If so, the only way to reproduce it would be from removing suckers from the tree. Of course these would be identical to the mother tree.

Dick

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PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Everyone is talking about seeds from the Judean date palm. What if it turns out to be a male plant?? If so, the only way to reproduce it would be from removing suckers from the tree. Of course these would be identical to the mother tree.

Dick

It occured to me one of the suckers could be cloned and the cloned plants would also be identical to the mother plant, and thousands could be reproduced that way.

Dick

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Richard Douglas

phatmiata Collaborator

phatmiata

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I hope the seeds & plants dont get blown up or destroyed with all the rocket fire going back and forth. It would be a shame to have recovered the seeds after 2000 years, only to have them become lost forever becuase of the wars of man hundreds of years later.

Someone needs to get those seeds and send them to different points all over the world so that everyone can have a shot at reproducing them.

"Randy" IPS member # 150229

Dover, FL (West of Plant City, FL)

120 feet above sea level

Average Yearly Rainfall is 51.17 inches per year

Average Summer Temp 83F

Average Winter Temp 62F

USDA Zone 9a/9b

Dover.gif

  • 9 months later...
AJQ Proficient

AJQ

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So, it is about 31 months/ 2 and a half years since we last had any photos of the Judean Date Palm.

Going by the forecasts of it's oringinal progress, shouldn't it be a bit of a monster by now???

Regards Andy.

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Bangor, Norin Iron Zone 9a Min temp normally around -3 Degrees C, rarely -6C. Only 2 x -2.0C so far, verging on 9b this year. No snow or Frost this Winter. Several just subzero's this year, lets hope it stays this way. Normally around 5C to 10C + in winter, with lots of wind & rain. Summers usually better, 20C to 25 C occasionally 25C to 28C, also quite humid being a coastal town

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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So, it is about 31 months/ 2 and a half years since we last had any photos of the Judean Date Palm.

Going by the forecasts of it's oringinal progress, shouldn't it be a bit of a monster by now???

Regards Andy.

I recall reading on some other sites that some believe this is a hoax. I hope it is not, and like others, would love to see some recent news.

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iamjv Mentor

iamjv

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Cool links Kris! Thanks! Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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After reading the linked articles it has really struck home how symbolic this palm will be among Christian religious circles. If it produces viable seed I predict there will be a huge demand worldwide for seed and seedlings of this tree and its prodgeny. Churches around the globe will probably pay a premium price for these palms and seed. This could be an incredible financial boom for palm research in general as well as dates from a possible new genetic variation.

Just think about the extrodinary symbolism that this palm represents.

More then symbolic for christians,I think it is symbolic for Israel self. A date palm (symbol for beauty in the Jewish culture) seed taken from´´Massada´´ :blink: (could not be a more symbolic place) and ressurected after 2000 years. That is the perfect symbol for the jewish people that after 2000 years again have a homeland and are a Nation. After 2000 years again with roots in THAT soil....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judean_date_palm

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Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Dave-Vero Grand Master

Dave-Vero

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The great age of the seed from which this palm grew was documented and the information published in Science, one of the most prominent (and carefully-edited) scientific journals in the world. The palm is scientifically important.

The symbolic/emotional value of the palm to Israelis is obvious.

Fla. climate center: 100-119 days>85 F
USDA 1990 hardiness zone 9B
Current USDA hardiness zone 10a
4 km inland from Indian River; 27º N (equivalent to Brisbane)

Central Orlando's urban heat island may be warmer than us

  • 3 years later...
Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Wow - no updates on this truly unique palm. :interesting: I may recall that it was reported in another thread that it is now producing male flowers. :hmm:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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