dalmatiansoap Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I need an advice about spiny palms for zone 9. Any recomendations? I dont even know for sure is there a chance to grow them in zone 9? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 If you can grow there a Syagrus romanzoffiana, then Acrocomia totai ( you know the cold hardy form usually found in Florida) should be also OK. Problem is only how to make sure that the Acrocomia (plant or seed) you get is the real deal (totai). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I am looking for this one too and i think i found the nursery Furadouro and Ovar, zone 9b/10a. PORTUGALhttp://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20668http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/31527-my-new-garden-ovar-january2012/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmatiansoap Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Thanks guys. Do they sell online Rafael? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubTropicRay Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Acrocomia aculeata is hardy in zone 9b with partial defoliation in the mid 20's. I would guess it is trunk/bud hardy well into the lower 20's. Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10A Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMac Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 (edited) Thomas Sheehan had what I believe is a Acrocomia aculeata in his yard in Gainesville,FL zone 8b for many years-on cold years it would get foliage damage .So it is likely to be a good choice for zone 9. However I understand that there is some variation and confusion with the ole Gru Gru If you set you sights much lower Rhapidophyllum hystrix is ironclad cold hardy in zone 9 and sure has some great needle spines Edited March 28, 2013 by DavidMac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarasota alex Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Plectocomia himalayana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Thanks guys. Do they sell online Rafael? i dont think so. i will travel onto there in a couple of months - Alicante, Spain. Furadouro and Ovar, zone 9b/10a. PORTUGALhttp://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20668http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/31527-my-new-garden-ovar-january2012/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubTropicRay Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Plectocomia himalyana is somewhat difficult to grow in humid climates with warm nighttime temperatures. The more tropical Plectocomia do better with the heat and humidity but have little cold tolerance. Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10A Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA subtropical USDA Zone 10B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Thanks guys. Do they sell online Rafael? Ante, I bought mine from a german (delivery) broker called Hubert Steininger and his firma was called Tropen Express in Passau Germany (tel. 851 81831, fax 851 87487). He used to import from Florida every summer the plants, that people ordered in Europe. The floridian firm was called The Green Escape in Palm Harbor and apparently it was working like the Canarius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Plectocomia himalyana is somewhat difficult to grow in humid climates with warm nighttime temperatures. The more tropical Plectocomia do better with the heat and humidity but have little cold tolerance. Agree, I have had the same experience here in Greece. During the same freeze Plectocomia didn't make it, while Acrocomia did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarasota alex Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Plectocomia himalyana is somewhat difficult to grow in humid climates with warm nighttime temperatures. The more tropical Plectocomia do better with the heat and humidity but have little cold tolerance. I agree, but for Ante's Croatian mediterranean climate it might be a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmatiansoap Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Its absolute high heat and and almost zero humidity in the warmest Summer months here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeyranch Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Trithrinax acanthacoma is probably the most reliable and hardy spiny palm for 9a. Has nice stiff leaves like some copernicias. The older leaves droop below horizontal, showing off their perfect geometry. From photos it's easy to pass this one over assuming it's too similar to a Trachy. When I first saw this one in person, it was much more apparent how unique this palm is. It's relatively fast growing. If you clean it up by clipping the leaf petiole stubs flush with the trunk, it shows off the cross-hatched fiber covering and the spines very nicely. Great palm to shine a small spotlight on and project it's silhouette onto a wall. I've never seen any damage down to -6ºC/21ºF not even small seedlings. Supposedly hardy to 12-15ºF so should be no problem in 9a Croatia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PANGEA EXPRESS Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 an obvious answer would be Phoenix - Eric Arneson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Livistona saribus Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris78 Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Some CALAMUS species are hardy.. to the low 20's and even upper teens... and they are exotic looking Phoenix Area, Arizona USA Low Desert...... Zone 9b Jan ave 66 high and 40 low July ave 105 high and 80 low About 4 to 8 frost a year...ave yearly min temp about 27F About 8 inches of rain a year. Low Desert Cool Mtn climate at 7,000' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikSJI Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 This one is in a zone 9b Ellenton FL it has survived the low 20s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Some CALAMUS species are hardy.. to the low 20's and even upper teens... and they are exotic looking Which one please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 This one is in a zone 9b Ellenton FL it has survived the low 20s Erik, is this the real Acrocomia totai? It seems to me so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirleypalmpaws Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Erik! Oh my gosh!!! That is just so incredible x infinity! Shirley There are several mature Wodyetia bifurcata in my neighborhood--that helps determine my zone, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikSJI Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 When I first saw it I thought it was a odd queen palm and wanted to get the pollen from it. I pass it everyday when I am in Florida. I asked the owner of the palm what it was and she had a spanish name for it. She said her son brought her two of them from paraquay. I assumed it was a Acrocomia aculeata. Is there a difference between that and Acrocomia totai? It has only grown a foot in the last 4 years and I have never seen it burned. She told me I could have the seeds from it but it has never put a inflorescence off since I have been observing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevetoad Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Some CALAMUS species are hardy.. to the low 20's and even upper teens... and they are exotic looking Which one please? i have a small calamus caryotoides that saw 26F with zero damage. from what i know its one of the hardiest too. i also have acrocomia sp. (no idea which one) that also saw 26f with no damage at all and grows like a rocket. last year when i got it it was about a foot and a half tall now its about 5 foot. "it's not dead it's sleeping" Santee ca, zone10a/9b 18 miles from the ocean avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 When I first saw it I thought it was a odd queen palm and wanted to get the pollen from it. I pass it everyday when I am in Florida. I asked the owner of the palm what it was and she had a spanish name for it. She said her son brought her two of them from paraquay. I assumed it was a Acrocomia aculeata. Is there a difference between that and Acrocomia totai? It has only grown a foot in the last 4 years and I have never seen it burned. She told me I could have the seeds from it but it has never put a inflorescence off since I have been observing it. I am not a botanist, but I have two Acrocomia outplanted, one bought many years ago as totai and another raised from seed (I do not remember exactly as totai or aculeata), Anyway they look so different and have also somewhat different growth habit. The totai is slow grower with short leaves and petioles, thus having a more spherical crown (like the one in the above picture), while the other is faster grower with much longer petioles and longer leaves. The totai is fairly cold hardy the other not so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikSJI Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Well I looked it up and I believe you are right. One of the common names for this palm is Mbocaya. Which is what she called it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 Some CALAMUS species are hardy.. to the low 20's and even upper teens... and they are exotic looking Which one please? i have a small calamus caryotoides that saw 26F with zero damage. from what i know its one of the hardiest too. i also have acrocomia sp. (no idea which one) that also saw 26f with no damage at all and grows like a rocket. last year when i got it it was about a foot and a half tall now its about 5 foot. I have also a multi-stemmed C. caryotoides (that's why it escaped final death during 2004 clod spell), which now starts flowering on older and longer stem. What about other Calamus spss, such as muelleri, australis, moti and erectus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted April 1, 2013 Report Share Posted April 1, 2013 (edited) Well I looked it up and I believe you are right. One of the common names for this palm is Mbocaya. Which is what she called it. This is the common name in northern Argentina, while in Bolivia it is called totai. Those areas together with Paraguay are all adjacent of one to another forming the southernmost expansion area of Acrocomia. Edited April 1, 2013 by Phoenikakias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted April 7, 2013 Report Share Posted April 7, 2013 I found 2 Acrocomia totai in the neighbour county of Ponta Grossa. Both were growing at the side of two different roads,far from the city and any farm or house. I´m still wondering how they appeared there ............ Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phoenikakias Posted April 9, 2013 Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi Ante can you tell the difference between the Acrocomia in following pics and define which is which? Exemplary 1: Exemplary 2 : Side by side: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmatiansoap Posted April 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2013 I cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 (edited) Chamaerops humilis Edited May 13, 2013 by Maxim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim Posted May 13, 2013 Report Share Posted May 13, 2013 Chamaerops humilis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicehunter2000 Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Anybody ever find a source for totai seedlings? David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a 200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida 30 ft. elevation and sandy soil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh-O Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 David, good question. I've looked hi and low here in California with zero results. I heard they were very hard to germinate?? If you find any let me know. Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation) Sunset zone 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarasota alex Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Anybody ever find a source for totai seedlings? David, you may want to follow up with whoever bought seeds from Darold here http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/33224-more-seeds-from-argentina/ Acrocomia totai is not widely accepted as a separate species from Acrocomia aculeata. For example Andrew Henderson's "Field Guide to the Palms of the Americas" includes it in A. aculeata. Another well known palm botanist expressed doubt about that to me in a private conversation as well. In either case - separate species or not A. totai would be a more cold hardy variety simply because it experiences freezes in habitat. And what's important to know to add to the link above is that if A. totai is a species of it own, then it would encompass all populations of Acrocomia in Argentina and surely would include the seeds that Darold distributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarasota alex Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 This is a photo of Acrocomia totai I took last month in Iguazu Nation Park in Argentina. Sadly I did not collect any seeds from this species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Keith Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Trithrinax acanthacoma is probably the most reliable and hardy spiny palm for 9a. Has nice stiff leaves like some copernicias. The older leaves droop below horizontal, showing off their perfect geometry. From photos it's easy to pass this one over assuming it's too similar to a Trachy. When I first saw this one in person, it was much more apparent how unique this palm is. It's relatively fast growing. If you clean it up by clipping the leaf petiole stubs flush with the trunk, it shows off the cross-hatched fiber covering and the spines very nicely. Great palm to shine a small spotlight on and project it's silhouette onto a wall. I've never seen any damage down to -6ºC/21ºF not even small seedlings. Supposedly hardy to 12-15ºF so should be no problem in 9a Croatia. Thanks to Axel, I have Trithinax acanthacoma in the ground. It is still small, maybe 30 inches tall and not fully established, but it sailed through the 24 degree low. In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeeth Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 This one is in a zone 9b Ellenton FL it has survived the low 20s Actually the ones in that yard were planted after 2010. Until then the yard was full of coconuts (some of them looked like they were going to survive but got the chainsaw anyway). Check out this old view from google maps: http://goo.gl/ZdXzcq Keith Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Check out the freeze data forum for information on my Acrocomia aculeata that didn't survive three nights of 21-23*F in 2010. I think I posted pictures of its removal in the main forum. I'd provide a link but it's not so easy from my phone. Click Here to Join the IPS Today! Click Here to Renew Your IPS Membership! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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