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Name those tillering palms, ones with a heel!

edric
edric
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I am having great difficulty acquiring information, on which species, in which genus exhibits saxophone root growth, or is a tillering palm (has a heel), this information is destined for Palmpedia, and any help will be greatly appreciated, so everyone please help me name all of those palms that have a heel, PLEASE! Ed

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Sabal

Kentiopsis

Heterospathe

Just a quick start.

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Call me anytime to chat about transplanting palms.

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Dypsis

Acrocomia

allagoptera

Rhopalostylis

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

Ceroxylon

San Francisco, California
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Thanks guys, but i need specifics, Kentiopsis piersoniorum is the only Kentiopsis that doesn't have a heel, the other three do, and more than half of all Dypsis do not have a heel, make sure you're sure, before you give me the info, because it was just luck this time that I happened to know that, don't think I don't really appreciate your help, because I do, Ed

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Funny Ed.. I was just thinking what you said when I read those first responses... PLUS.. there are some that will "attempt" to form a heel when left in a pot too long. I will try to add some when I get back from the biennial.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Dypsis decipiens, betafaka, and others.

Ravenea sambirensis, julietae

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I have a Sabal dominguensis till right down to the bottom of a 5g pot!

Thanks guys, but i need specifics, Kentiopsis piersoniorum is the only Kentiopsis that doesn't have a heel, the other three do, and more than half of all Dypsis do not have a heel, make sure you're sure, before you give me the info, because it was just luck this time that I happened to know that, don't think I don't really appreciate your help, because I do, Ed

Are you going to use PalmTalk in the foot note of a scientific paper? This is going to be big folks!

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My Sabal uresana has a great heel.

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If you go to species level this is going to be bigger than Ben Hur. Some Attaleas tiller. Some species have tillering and non-tillering forms eg Dypsis madagasacariensis. And then there are those that creep...
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Allagoptera campestris

This palm is clustering, does it have a heel, Ed

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It seems that nearly all of my Trachycarpus species seem to tiller, but no one has mentioned that here...Am I wrong?

John Case

Brentwood CA

Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden

USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer

"Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!"
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Allagoptera leucocalyx

This palm is clustering, does it have a heel, thanks for your help, Ed

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Allagoptera arenaria

This palm is clustering does it have a heel, thanks, Ed

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Kerriodoxa elegans, Dypsis ambositrae are two of mine that sport these 'heels'.

- Ray.

Brandon, FL

27.95°N 82.28°W (Elev. 62 ft)

Zone9 w/ canopy
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I found this, and it contradicts all of the other sources of information it says they are solitary subterranean, and appear clustered, anyone agree, or disagree, thanks, Ed

http://books.google.com/books?id=cjHCoMQNkcgC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=Allagoptera+brevicalyx&source=bl&ots=u__r4s5L10&sig=CYB18qJdfMjb8UArPMVPFO0XxqQ&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Allagoptera%20brevicalyx&f=false

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my

allagoptera arenaria

rhopalostylis sapida

sabal riverside,princeps,uresana,domingensis,pumos,bermudana,mauritiiformis

acrocomia aculeata

ravenea glauca looks like it has one but not sure

those are the ones i have that i dont think weere mentioned yet

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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THANK YOU GUYS!!! keep them coming, Ed

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Dypsis onilahensis

Anyone mention Raphis excelsa?

Am I the only one on this group who has no idea what you are talking about?

I have Googled for "palm heels" and "palm tillering" and found nothing. Could some kind person explain ? preferably with photos.

Many thanks

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    Several of my Sabal minor(3) & etonia(3) have pulled themselves far enough into the ground after planting that they eventually (after 1 1/2 years, or so) rotted out. This is a perplexing problem. My palmetto, palmetto 'Lisa', causiarum, uresana, yapa, martima, domingensis and miamiensis(3) have not. (All with heels)

    52% 9B / 42% 10A / 6% "Other"

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    Dypsis species "honkona"

    Am I the only one on this group who has no idea what you are talking about?

    I have Googled for "palm heels" and "palm tillering" and found nothing. Could some kind person explain ? preferably with photos.

    Many thanks

    Heels or saxaphone root is where the palm grows downward into the soil before growing up. Here's a pic of the heel and another shot that shows how it has moved or tillered. Hope this helps

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    "it's not dead it's sleeping"

    Santee ca, zone10a/9b

    18 miles from the ocean

    avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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    Am I the only one on this group who has no idea what you are talking about?

    I have Googled for "palm heels" and "palm tillering" and found nothing. Could some kind person explain ? preferably with photos.

    Many thanks

    Check out the link too, Ed

    http://www2.palmpedia.net/wiki/Acrocomia_aculeata

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    Chamaedorea radicalis, ravenea xerophila.

    Jon T-Central CA coastal valley foothills-9A

    Forever seeking juania australis...
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    Many years ago I grew an R. rivularis from seed it froze to death the first winter in the ground, any how I don't remember it having a heel, is anyone sure ? thanks, Ed

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    Am I the only one on this group who has no idea what you are talking about?

    I have Googled for "palm heels" and "palm tillering" and found nothing. Could some kind person explain ? preferably with photos.

    Many thanks

    Use the search feature here to search all topics and enter "heel"

    Thanks to those of you who help make this a fun and friendly forum.

    Am I the only one on this group who has no idea what you are talking about?

    I have Googled for "palm heels" and "palm tillering" and found nothing. Could some kind person explain ? preferably with photos.

    Many thanks

    Heels or saxaphone root is where the palm grows downward into the soil before growing up. Here's a pic of the heel and another shot that shows how it has moved or tillered. Hope this helps

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    ouch - what happened? :badday:

    Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

    Moose I don't know if I follow? Are you talking about the cut petioles? This is the same plant. Is there something that I'm not seeing?

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    "it's not dead it's sleeping"

    Santee ca, zone10a/9b

    18 miles from the ocean

    avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

    Attalea Cohune

    Derek Batke

    http://www.seabreezenurseries.com

    Chamaedorea pochutlensis

    Alan Brickey

    Nypa fruticans, Sabal palmetto, Dypsis lastelliana

    Frank

     

    Zone 9b pine flatlands

    humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters

    with yearly freezes

    Ed, you can add Tahina to the list. Refer to the photo in the current thread 'Tahina' by Palms for pleasure. :)

    San Francisco, California
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    Ed, you can add Tahina to the list. Refer to the photo in the current thread 'Tahina' by Palms for pleasure. :)

    Thanks Darold, I'll get it entered, Ed

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    my

    allagoptera arenaria

    rhopalostylis sapida

    sabal riverside,princeps,uresana,domingensis,pumos,bermudana,mauritiiformis

    acrocomia aculeata

    ravenea glauca looks like it has one but not sure

    those are the ones i have that i dont think weere mentioned yet

    Yep, Ravenea glauca builds a heel.

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    I have Ravanea lakatra it has a big heel.

    Happy Gardening

    Cheers,

    Wal

    Queensland, Australia.
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    Attalea Butyracea

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