Dypsis sp "Black Stem" Update

[Cindy Adair]

They are coming in to Rancho Soledad Nursery in San Diego, but they don't ship the plants so it's pick up at the nursery only.

Gary

I just checked and my middle child's school is only a 2 hour drive from the nursery. However, she doesn't have a car and I don't get to visit often. From their extensive website, it looks like many of their plants are too large for me to take on a plane and may be out of my palm budget's range at the moment. However, on a future visit, it would be fun to visit anyway! Thanks for the information!

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[amazon exotics]

Add me to the list for one !!!!!!! :drool: :drool:

[DALION]

So are the growing conditions for these the same as D. baronii? Does anyone know what sizes RSN is going to have or what they are going to go for?

Leo

[olivier971]

Update on these palms - here are some recent shots. Gary, can I score a plant (for a fee) for posting these updates?

Are those photos been taken in situ, at vakona ? recently ?

I will be there in january, and i'll try to see some of them ....

[Justin]

Update on these palms - here are some recent shots. Gary, can I score a plant (for a fee) for posting these updates?

Are those photos been taken in situ, at vakona ? recently ?

I will be there in january, and i'll try to see some of them ....

These were taken at Vakona within the last month. I should have grabbed some seeds.

[Gtlevine]

So are the growing conditions for these the same as D. baronii? Does anyone know what sizes RSN is going to have or what they are going to go for?

Leo

The lodge at Vicona is only 100 miles outside of Tana, it is still higher elevation than most of the eastern forest and I assume they will be somewhat cold tolerant, probably down to 27F no problem.

They will be brought into the nursery in 10 gallon size but I do not know what the price will be.

Gary

[olivier971]

Update on these palms - here are some recent shots. Gary, can I score a plant (for a fee) for posting these updates?

Are those photos been taken in situ, at vakona ? recently ?

I will be there in january, and i'll try to see some of them ....

These were taken at Vakona within the last month. I should have grabbed some seeds.

Perhaps in january there will be some mature fruits and seeds

[JD in the OC]

Gary, 10 gallon plants eh? I think Jerry will add a few zeros to that gallon size to come up with the price!

[Palmlover]

That is a good looker! I am excited to add it to my garden. Is the Dypsis baronii black petiole form similar to the Dypsis "Black Stem" ? This picture is the baronii black palm.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Palmlover

[DALION]

Any updates on this? Is the palm now available at RSN or any other So Cal nursery?

[LJG]

I attempted to sleep with RSN's shipping guy in Hawaii to get insider info. Didn't work. They know they have a desirable plant and are closed lipped about imports. If you want to see some that are NFS, Jerry has three at the nursery in the "employee Only" GH. Jesse or Eric will take you in to look at them. Awesome plant!

[Gtlevine]

I will let everyone know when they come in, but from what I understand there is a 50% chance that some plants will come into the nursery around April of this year, but not before that. From the rate of growth and their current size, my best guess is that we won't see them until spring of 2013.

Gary

[Darold Petty]

Can someone please address the question in post # 49? Is this the same as the RPS and Floribunda Dypsis baronii 'black petiole'? Thanks!

[quaman58]

Can someone please address the question in post # 49? Is this the same as the RPS and Floribunda Dypsis baronii 'black petiole'? Thanks!

When I last spoke to Jeff Markus about 2 months ago, he seemed certain that they were the same palm.

[Darold Petty]

Thanks Bret, that's great news!

[Gtlevine]

Can someone please address the question in post # 49? Is this the same as the RPS and Floribunda Dypsis baronii 'black petiole'? Thanks!

It is no secret as to where this palm comes from so it is likely that seed is being collected. The only issue is that there are only two of them in the lodge and only one of seed bearing size. There are dozens of palms in the lodge and other dypsis baronii types, so the seeds listed may have been collected from one of the other palms in the lodge and not the one black stem, so that would be the issue with the seeds available.

Gary

[Palmlover]

Where were they suppose to get them? I see that Floribunda has them too.

[Jastin]

I attempted to sleep with RSN's shipping guy in Hawaii to get insider info. Didn't work. They know they have a desirable plant and are closed lipped about imports. If you want to see some that are NFS, Jerry has three at the nursery in the "employee Only" GH. Jesse or Eric will take you in to look at them. Awesome plant!

Went to see them a month or so ago. Great looking palm but IMO not worth the $$$ right now.

[Danny Boy]

Okay folks. Call me crazy! This is a beautiful specie....My opinion...this isn't Dypsis sp. Black Stem or anything none of us haven't seen. It has Black fuzz coating the bases of it's petioles, right? The only difference is the awesome red color's once mature. What we are seeing, again, my opinion, is Dypsis 'Slick Willy'/'Bef'/'Brevinodus'. I have recent pictures from Jeff Marcus' Gardens that are showing traits and coloration to the tee. Just no Flower's as of yet...unless I'm wrong on that...Jeff? Let's re-start this topic. Anyone?

[Danny Boy]

These for 3 are of Jeff Marcus' Gardens.

[Danny Boy]

These for 3 are of Jeff Marcus' Gardens.

[Kennybenjamin]

Hi all,

Danny Boy in my opinion the palms in your photos are quite different from the Dypsis "black stem" shown earlier in the thread (WOW what a palm!!!). Could the palms in your photo be the same as the following....

If so (again to my knowledge), this is Dypsis onilahensis var. Brevinoidies (spelling??) and while there may be some similarities in the mature specimens the young plants show very different characteristics. The plants shown by Bill and Matt are much more baronii looking and the young of the Dypsis onilahensis var. brevinoidies Looks like the following...

I'm sure you will agree they are very different. Also the Dypsis in my photos seem to clump very early in life and have more uniform stem sizes (also present in the photos from Jeff's garden) while the "black stem" seem to have a more dominant stem and clump later... more baronii style? In my experience the D. brev. are very slow growing and my guess is that the "black stem" would be quite fast..... Bill, Matt???

Any corrections to my thoughts very welcome!!!

Matt... would love to join any waiting list you have for a couple of seeds off your palm (whenever that is), it is beautiful!!!

Cheers

[olivier971]

Danny Boy, the palms of your pictures are definitively NOT D Black Stem from Vakona lodge.

Here are some photos i took in January at Vakona Lodge :

5 specimens of D Black Stem, all with fruits !!!

[olivier971]

[olivier971]

[BS Man about Palms]

GREAT pics Oliver!

[pogobob]

Nice baronii, colorfull

[Moose]

GREAT pics Oliver!

Bill - will you confirm or deny the rumor that you are getting 6 of these (its April!!!) Dypsis sp. "Black Stem" tomorrow?

Your "revised" food buget having you eating beans and rice for the next 6 months?

[BS Man about Palms]

I was told delivery was today... Waiting by my mail box... should be here any minute... Special Sunday delivery... they said.

[Mandrew968]

How are all the 'black stems' doing? Anyone ever get their hands on some in South Florida? Anyone growing any baronii in South Florida?

[olivier971]

Mine ..

[MattyB]

I don't know why I never noticed this before, but I'm pretty sure that the black coloration on the stems of this palm are just the white powder mildewing in a humid climate. Some of the darker colors up top too. Similar to what you see on Pseudophoenix, Dypsis madagascarensis, and other palms with white powder. I'd speculate that you put this palm in a less humid climate and the trunk will just be green w/ white powder, like a regular baronii.

[Zeeth]

I don't know why I never noticed this before, but I'm pretty sure that the black coloration on the stems of this palm are just the white powder mildewing in a humid climate. Some of the darker colors up top too. Similar to what you see on Pseudophoenix, Dypsis madagascarensis, and other palms with white powder. I'd speculate that you put this palm in a less humid climate and the trunk will just be green w/ white powder, like a regular baronii.

Which is good news for Florida growers assuming it will grow here. Central Florida might be a safer bet than South Florida if it's indeed just a different color of baronii...

[Justin]

I had a couple tiny ones from Floribunda that I put directly into the ground in Pahoa - they didn't make it, probably dried out during a dry spell.

[trioderob]

I don't know why I never noticed this before, but I'm pretty sure that the black coloration on the stems of this palm are just the white powder mildewing in a humid climate. Some of the darker colors up top too. Similar to what you see on Pseudophoenix, Dypsis madagascarensis, and other palms with white powder. I'd speculate that you put this palm in a less humid climate and the trunk will just be green w/ white powder, like a regular baronii.

that is not correct.

the color comes from the stem itself.

some updates for southern California growers (notes from the one I have)

1) palm is fast growing

2) palm does not do well in cold temp (its no D.D. for sure)

3) palm does well with heavy organics and man made ferts

4) palm appears to me to want a hot humid climate

5) palm will lose color if it does not have climate indicated above

so to sum it up this palms likes a rich organic soil / water which is of avg 6-7 PH /it likes a heavy dose of time released fert/ it seem to want dappled sunlight. if not given this combo it will still grow but will appear much more like a normal baronii. mine had the color return this Nov after losing the color in summer.

to me this is not really too good a palm for southern cal. - maybe a perfect palm for highland Mexico /Central America. with more humidity - not sure if it would like the humid nights on the east coast of US.

PERFECT GREENHOUSE PALM FOR SOUTHERN CAL

Edited December 2, 2013 by trioderob

[Jeff Searle]

So in another words, I hope you and anyone else didn't pay a lot of money for these.

[MattyB]

I'm fairly confident that's mildew. I've seen it a lot. Look at the white rings/leaf base scars, it's even obscuring those, proving that it's not in the trunk, it's mildew on the surface. Does anyone else think so?

Here's a pics of my D. madagascarensis showing the same black mildew that loves to grow on white powder.

[MattyB]

[Gtlevine]

Matt, you are not correct. I have not only seen the one in habitat, but have seen and touched the ones from Rancho Soledad. The black stem looks and feels like black bamboo and it is very dense. The black color will fade in full sun in southern california, but darken up when put in the shade. Rob is correct, the color is the actual trunk, not mildew.

[MattyB]

There's mildew on those trunks. I've seen pictures from across the interweb. What's the advantage of seeing things in person, in habitat? I've seen pics. I'm pretty sure I'm right.